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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 5:20:32 AM   
nefariousdreams


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I noticed you didn't bother to address my points either. Not in my original message or the one I sent after you blocked our joint profile.

I also note that you haven't bothered to read my message properly (just as you didn't bother to read teensub's original post properly) otherwise you would note that I had answered your question.

As was so kindly pointed out by 'ModeratorEleven' above, 'Ok kids, that's enough'. If you can't play nice, or even pretend to, please don't bother.

Bored now...

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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 5:53:14 AM   
Rover


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Thank you for making the distinction between a professional Dominatrix and Domme, which you were relectant accept previously.  In other words, a relationship is no sure thing.  A business transaction is.

 
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No business transaction is a sure thing.

 
That clearly was not your inference when you said:
 
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The ProDomme is readily available to most submissives and fetishes in Her geographic area, at least those who are clean, odor free and compatable with Her repetoir. Whereas, the submissive must gain the Dominant's attention, woo Her with gifts and precious time, and then perhaps too often face rejection. The numbers are against him even before he has made his investment in gifts and time.

 
Your clear inference was that a submissive runs the risk of spending plenty of time and effort on a Dominant with no result, but that a Pro was a sure thing so long as the minimum requirements of being clean, odor free and willing to accept her repetoire are met.  You can't have it both ways.  Either it's a sure thing or it's not.  If it's not, perhaps you should consider some truth in advertising.
 
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Every business transaction is a form of relationship, and every relationship includes an exchange of value of some kind, although many bury that thought in romance and sentimentality.

 
Can you describe for me any relationship you have outside of being a Dominatrix that includes romance and sentimentality?  Or could it be that the business relationship you have with your clients isn't really very much like any other business relationship, and that you're really comparing apples and oranges? 
 
And for the record... are you selling romance and sentimentality or B/D and S/M? 
 
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Ask yourself, would you remain in a relationship if there were no payoff for you? Not if you are stable and intelligent, I don't think.


And the point I was making is... is the payoff for you the money, or the relationship?  If no relationship would exist without you're monetary payoff, then comparing it to other non-money based relationships isn't really very accurate.

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Ask yourself this question... is the relationship predicated upon the power exchange, or the money exchange?  Would the relationship cease if money no longer changed hands?  Quite simply, that answer will reveal whether you have a power exchange relationship or a buiness relationship.

 
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Chicken and egg question.

 
Not at all... simple question, actually.  If there is no power exchange without money, but there is money without power exchange... well, you may not like the answer but it's pretty clear to me.  No chicken, no egg... just a monetary relationship. 
 
And I'm not saying monetary relationships are "bad" or "wrong".  Just that there's no compelling reason not to recognize them for what they are.
 
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Knowingly repeating myself here, would the power exchange cease if value ceased? I think so.


But the "value" upon which the relationship is based is different.  In a money based relationship you can remove the power exchange so long as the money continues to be exchanged, and the "value" has not been diminished.  In a power exchange relationship you can remove any exchange of money so long as the power exchange continues, and the "value" has not been diminished.  The two types of relationships are clearly predicated upon different value systems.
 
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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 6:15:12 AM   
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A question.....is the word tribute used because of legal issues?

looking at the TOS
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  7.3.12.  You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarchat.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;


as soon as the word "paid" is used....there will be a problem..not?

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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 6:24:04 AM   
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Paid?

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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 6:26:29 AM   
JustDarkness


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oh yes thank you

I am non english...so I have my typos
aslong as the text is clear I am happy  

(but I change it anyway )

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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 10:55:21 AM   
Jeptha


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I haven't read all the pages of replies here, but I will hazard a guess that women get so many more replies and contacts than men do that perhaps one function of the tribute could be to try and sort out those who might be serioius Vs. those with whom it would ultimately be a waste of time to correspond.

I have some female friends who have literally received hundreds of replies to ads they've placed online. To almost none of those respondents did it occur to make an effort to distinguish themselves from one another in any way in what they wrote.

How do you sort them out? Reading through that many replies is a time commitment in itself, never mind replying to any.

I imagine Dommes probably experience something similar, and maybe the tribute is *in part* a method fo sorting them out.

Note; just a thought I'm throwing out there, not insisting on its veracity.

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RE: Tributes - 10/20/2008 1:05:08 PM   
Wickad


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To the OP,

Everyone pays!!

Dominant women (the ones that you have met online) seek monetary tribute.  Dominant men (the ones I have met online and offline) seek sexual tribute.  All submissives, male or female, pay either with their bodies or their wallets.  All Dominants, male or female, pay in either time, knowledge, expertise, etc.

That being said, ... not all Dominant women seek tribute.  I do not want someone's money.  I feel that this creates an inequity of power within the relationship on the side of the person paying - this is not what I want.  This is also just my opinion and how I choose to organize my life.  As well, ... not all Dominant men expect sex for play.  Some Dominant men just like to control and/or hurt people.

Talking in absolutes tends to get folks on this site a bit up in arms.  We are all individuals and tend to resent someone lumping us all into one group.  Just something to take note of.

Wickad

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RE: Tributes - 10/21/2008 8:48:17 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AcademyForSlaves

Hi.

You've asked a great question. The answer varies.

A Mistress might ask for a tribute because she owns a website and she needs to cover those costs, or

because the subs act like a client asking her to do a session and cater to his fetishes so she decides to charge him a fee, or

she believes it's part of a slave role to work to contribute to his Mistress's lifestyle.

Now the male doms might not charge a fee for various reasons. Maybe he does make his slaves work and give him their wages,

maybe it's not a fee but he still expects them to pay him in some way.

Maybe he works and gets paid lots and doesn't need a slave to give him money so he makes his slaves stay home and look after his home.

It'll be interesting seeing what the male doms say about if he makes his slaves give him money, or work for him, and if not then why.


Most reasonable indeed!

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