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SimplyMichael -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 1:09:51 PM)

Miss,

I for one would love to torment the living fuck out of you.  Put on an electric shock collar, drag you kicking and screaming outside and hose your ass off till you were clean, perhaps even just shoving that hose in both holes and cleaning them all out right there in the front yard.  Shove a plastic egg into your mouth so I don't have to listen to you whine for the next couple of hours.  Explain to you all sorts of evil shit I love doing, like deep vaginal fucking with a razor sharp knife (ask you know who about that one) or needles, something I am currently experimenting with, as well as a brutal new paddle design that is guaranteed to leave bruises, or of course the rose thorn cane I invented.  After explaining all that hot stuff I am going to make it clear your torment is to get none of that.  Then drag your freshly clean ass into the car and take you to a hair salon and see if you "clean up nice" after which I would force you to try on nice clothes.  The subject you to a nice classy dinner where you have to be all polite and shit.  Afterwards, tie you down while I whisper sweet nothings in your ear and brush your hair...

Some women would love that but I hope you find it rather hellish.  A real sadist is nice to masochists....and then, while you were forced to watch I would use all those implements on someone else all the while asking if anything interests you and complaining that if you can't ask for it, you won't get it but then again you can't ask because you are gagged.





TabrisMaceth -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 1:13:06 PM)

BDSM went the same place as the hopes and dreams of my childhood did...they're in a jar on a very high shelf that I can never reach, getting dustier and dustier until I can see inside the jar anymore...

-Tabris




ResidentSadist -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 1:24:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation
More and more recently as i have perused this board and it's threads i have noticed one thing. It's distinct lack of BDSM threads! It appears to be becoming more and more 'nilla' . . .
Come on misst, you know where it went.   Look at the ill fate of many truly good BDSM threads on these forums.  A lot of people that are very experienced with BDSM in real life are not familiar with politics and ill manners of online forums and get quickly discouraged from further participation.




moonvine -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 1:28:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TabrisMaceth

BDSM went the same place as the hopes and dreams of my childhood did...they're in a jar on a very high shelf that I can never reach, getting dustier and dustier until I can see inside the jar anymore...

-Tabris


The saddest thing about that is....sometimes I feel the same way.  I better go watch some Randy Pausch or something.




califsue -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 2:13:57 PM)

Funny you should post and ask this question. A chat room I frequent is feeling the same and I think some of the contributing factors are the time of year  with upcoming holidays and family nilla obligations, the current economy and the upcoming election in the USA. I agree with LadyPact, that things ebb and flow and it will return at some point.




WildHoneyPie -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 2:43:22 PM)

When I was fairly new here, and that was not too long ago(although I spent a LONG time lurking before I ever opened my mouth), it was the first time in my life I ever felt somewhat less like a freak for WIITWD. I first had inklings of my proclivities in the pre-Internet days, and I always felt very much alone in those days. I always appreciate when other new people have their questions answered with patience and empathy for this reason. 

Sorry for the lack of bdsm in this, but just wanted to put my unsolicited two cents in.




YourhandMyAss -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 2:47:50 PM)

LOL Michael that shit about taking me to get groomed and making me go to fancy places w*ould be sheer torment for me, since I hate dolling up and going to hoity toity places,
quote:

ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Miss,

I for one would love to torment the living fuck out of you.  Put on an electric shock collar, drag you kicking and screaming outside and hose your ass off till you were clean, perhaps even just shoving that hose in both holes and cleaning them all out right there in the front yard.  Shove a plastic egg into your mouth so I don't have to listen to you whine for the next couple of hours.  Explain to you all sorts of evil shit I love doing, like deep vaginal fucking with a razor sharp knife (ask you know who about that one) or needles, something I am currently experimenting with, as well as a brutal new paddle design that is guaranteed to leave bruises, or of course the rose thorn cane I invented.  After explaining all that hot stuff I am going to make it clear your torment is to get none of that.  Then drag your freshly clean ass into the car and take you to a hair salon and see if you "clean up nice" after which I would force you to try on nice clothes.  The subject you to a nice classy dinner where you have to be all polite and shit.  Afterwards, tie you down while I whisper sweet nothings in your ear and brush your hair...

Some women would love that but I hope you find it rather hellish.  A real sadist is nice to masochists....and then, while you were forced to watch I would use all those implements on someone else all the while asking if anything interests you and complaining that if you can't ask for it, you won't get it but then again you can't ask because you are gagged.






LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 3:06:41 PM)

Because kink talk actually is only a small smidgen of who we are and our lives once you get past the frenzy hot gotta have phase and the best stuff is taking place OFFLINE while we are DOING it.  Once you get to that point, you get into the really meaty stuff- which happens to be "boring" relationship issues which are fairly universal.

Frankly it's the same stuff most of us have been saying for years "Go back to the basics, it's just like you knew in the vanilla world, it's about the relationship not the kink" and I think more people are just catching up to that.




missturbation -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 6:16:32 PM)

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Then drag your freshly clean ass into the car and take you to a hair salon and see if you "clean up nice" after which I would force you to try on nice clothes.  The subject you to a nice classy dinner where you have to be all polite and shit.  Afterwards, tie you down while I whisper sweet nothings in your ear and brush your hair...


Oh my softer side would adore all that [:D]
 
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and then, while you were forced to watch I would use all those implements on someone else all the while asking if anything interests you and complaining that if you can't ask for it, you won't get it but then again you can't ask because you are gagged.


But that. Well thats just not cricket [:o]






missturbation -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 6:19:46 PM)

~FR~ Not to anyone in particular.
 
I'm not saying that the relationship based questions which ould apply to vanilla and BDSM do not have there place here. I'm just saying there seems to be a recent lack of BDSM based threads.
 
I think that when you look at some of the replies, especially from newbies in this thread you can see why. They are scared to post questions for fear of being told to search out old threads or being flamed because the discussion has been had before.
 
That is a really sad state of affairs for a board where people come to learn.




MadRabbit -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 7:19:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

I agree with the fear thing, I know I have to think twice or 89 times before posting for fear ill offend someone, and then I always do


I just offend people.

It's fun.




yourMissTress -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 7:34:08 PM)

Fast Reply

I too get tired of reading a thread about anything at all where numerous people tell the OP to "use the search function".  Don't we all grow and change?  Isn't there something that one of us learned between the last time we read or posted on a thread regarding the same subject?  Couldn't new people post to that thread giving their opinions and thoughts and have something to say that we haven't considered or experienced before?  Or maybe someone who really had something good to say about it wasn't reading the boards the day or week it was last posted and didn't "bump" the thread because we know how people react to that!

I think it's all worth talking about again and again.  I am here for the exchange of ideas and thoughts, to learn how others relate and interact, to read thoughts and opinions that differ from my own, and to share with a broad range of people. 

I believe, as several others have posted, that the "activities" we engage in are the frosting, and once you get past that you have a relationship that is not so different than the relationships of everyone else on the planet.  We may have names for the dynamics in our relationships, but all relationships have a power/authority/control dynamic of some kind.  So, a large portion of what is discussed here will be centered on the relationships that are the cake.  Again, these things are worth discussing more than one or fifty times, as long as someone has an opinion or idea or question and someone else takes the time to read or reply to it, they are relevant and valid to someone.

None of this is to say that searching old threads isn't also a worthwhile endeavour.  There are quite a few former posters or infrequent posters that had good advice, ideas, or opinions.  The wealth of knowledge and experience that has been shared on these boards is not something to be ignored. 





LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 8:11:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
They are scared to post questions for fear of being told to search out old threads or being flamed because the discussion has been had before.

That is a really sad state of affairs for a board where people come to learn.

Honestly, I can only think of a few instances where people were flamed for asking questions- that's when the question is inflammatory, when the question is obvious wank bait, when the question has been spammed all over the different lists, or when the question was asked just that day or the day before.

If they are afraid of being told to search out old threads, then why wouldn't they search out old threads, post what they found and then ask for more info? 

Frankly, if they are so afraid of such things, it's probably best that they not try and engage in adult relationship issues.




stella41b -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 8:41:57 PM)

I have a theory.. The more stable the economy is the more open and tolerant society is and the more people discuss openly BDSM and such.

The more unstable the economy, the less tolerant society is and the more underground BDSM and LGBT communities are driven.

This is just my theory.




WhiplashSmile2 -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/19/2008 9:38:40 PM)

Missturbation,

I've been doing kinky BDSM things with girls since I was 13 years old, in fact I was doing BDSM activities before I lost my virginity, or even knew anything about there being a whole lifestyle for the activities and things we do.

I've not done everything there is to do, still things on my Love to do, or try lists.  However, those things will not be that difficult to do, when and if the time ever comes.  The whole kink process is basically the same.  Just applied to different kinks and activities.

A thread on fucking somebody up the ass, flogging, playing with knives, playing with hot wax, verbal humilation, rape play, and many other activities, really don't do much for me in terms of personal growth or growth in terms of better or more effective D/s or self improvement much.

It's not the activities and kinks where I have had much problems with, those things generally are not much of an issue.  It's all the human relationship aspects were I encounter problems, and I suspect most people on here have encountered problems with.

There have been time to time, posts by people looking for kinky ideas or scene play, and I have attempted to contribute and Share ideas, and things I have done or tried.  What amazes me is that lack of postings to some of these threads by other people at times.

It's not like people don't start up threads on here specific to BDSM itself, however these threads are often short lived with a minor to moderate amount of postings to it.

I have attempted to post threads from time to time, covering aspects such as "Age Play and DID", "Forced Sex being used to resolve fights", "St. Andrew Cross designs ideas", in fact even make posts regarding "regressive age play" in general, and shed insight into "Dom couples" as best as I can based upon my own experiences.   I have shared things with people in regards to Spanking Ass even, I have shared things regarding Floggers and how wonderul they are.   I've been posting about kinky BDSM things, until I ran out of questions or felt like I was repeating myself too many times.  

How many times, can I post about the same old topic.  How many times can I read a thread and get nothing new out of it?

At the end of the day, many of us have been in fucked up relationships, are wanting to have a better relationship the next spin around, or are faced with new issues in our current relationship that we have never dealt with before.

I have had to face some new issues that I have never dealt with before.  Plus, I have had to deal with some triggers lately, that have me exploring things a little more in depth.  Ok, all of these things apply regardless if it's a BDSM D/s relationship or not.   However, these things effect the D/s relationship itself.  

My flogging abilitity, my verbal humilation skills, my bondage skills, my ability to use somebody like fuck meat, well are absolutely worthless in address these issues.  I can oil somebody up, drag their naked fucking body around the floor and fuck them up the ass for hours and it won't make anything any better.   Won't make the relationship any more solid.  Won't do a thing for my own personal self-improvement.

Me telling somebody to spread their legs and me spanking their pussy senseless won't fix a damn thing.  Sure it might side track things for awhile, side track things for a moment in time.

I can actually be involved in a M/s relationship without no emotional attachment, without much problem.  Said it, done it and wore the t-shirt.   If anything, I don't think I personally grew much from this relationship.  I actually got, well.. Ummm rather bored.   I found myself wanting to be with somebody, that I felt something for on an emotional level. 

Sex, Kink and BDSM alone ain't enough for me.  If it was the only things that made me tick and the only thing I wanted, I would have never release a perfectly good slave back into the wild.  She never would have been begging and pleding with me, and pounding her fists on my chest that one night.  A moment I'll never forget. 

Perhaps some people have this killer notion that they want that perfect slave girl, with no emotional attachment, who will do anything and everything without question. A girl who make your interest and your hobbies her.  Where your opinions become hers.  Sex on demand 24/7 no bullshit, no problems, a clean house everything organized top to bottom.   I had this come true for me, and in the end, it well really seemed and felt a little empty.  Something was missing, and it was not kink, not BDSM, not sex.  

I wanted a deeper and stronger connection, one more involving of two hearts, souls, and spirits together.  I found myself with the desire for other human needs and wants as well.

So yeah, I guess... this sort of sums it up for me. 




ResidentSadist -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/20/2008 12:54:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
They are scared to post questions for fear of being told to search out old threads or being flamed because the discussion has been had before.

That is a really sad state of affairs for a board where people come to learn.

Honestly, I can only think of a few instances where people were flamed for asking questions- that's when the question is inflammatory, when the question is obvious wank bait, when the question has been spammed all over the different lists, or when the question was asked just that day or the day before.

If they are afraid of being told to search out old threads, then why wouldn't they search out old threads, post what they found and then ask for more info? 

Frankly, if they are so afraid of such things, it's probably best that they not try and engage in adult relationship issues.

Come on Lucky, you know there isn’t a noob here that didn’t get a trial by fire with their first posts.  Whether it was the “spelling Nazi’s”, the “protocol police” or the moral majority chanting “use the search function”.  Hell, your own prolific use of search is one of the reasons I often enjoy your replies. 

However, I am pretty sure the “search” issue was only an example of one of the many symptoms, not the sole cause.  I am old fashioned, out dated and filled with anti SSC sentiments.  I take a politically unpopular stand and often find myself in controversial topics, in or near the center of the fray.  Because of this I get many private letters of support and fan mail from people that are afraid to post in threads for fear of ridicule. 

Because I am an ex mod from a different forum, this very topic about people being afraid to post at CollarMe came up with a friend about a month ago.  I sorted through over 1,200 letters I got from May to Sep and found over 200 different individuals that were afraid to post in the threads because of the ill manners and ridicule that is abundant here at CollarMe.

If I am getting a sample size of 200 with my antiquated areas of interest, I can’t imagine how many in the rafters stay up there because of the BS antics allowed on these forums.  Like I have said many times, if I had time to be a mod here, I would have banned a lot of trolls long ago and this would be a better place.

I hope this sheds some light on the reality of how large the "undertow" is here at CollarMe and how many are not active because of the foul mood found in these forums.  There are far more than "just a few incidents” where the weak are eaten alive making the rest fearful to tread those waters.

Missturbation is voicing an issue that if it were addressed, would change the face of the CollarMe forums entirely and take it from the “joke/ castle realm clone” status it holds in BDSM community to a more respected position.  I freely admit to having been a member of alt in its heyday but I never volunteer that I have published threads at CollarMe.  I rarely start threads in these forums anymore, yet at one time I gave it a shot and maintained a series of BDSM topic threads with vigilance.  The trolling made it a waste of my time.  It’s simply not worth the effort to say anything serious here. 

So there truly are a series of issues here at CollarMe and I have seen this place loose a half dozen excellent authors in the short time I have been here.  I hope someone has time to volunteer to help these guys out, they truly need a hand cleaning up around here. 

Best Wishes,
Kalon Eric




RCdc -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/20/2008 1:41:50 AM)

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So there truly are a series of issues here at CollarMe and I have seen this place loose a half dozen excellent authors in the short time I have been here.  I hope someone has time to volunteer to help these guys out, they truly need a hand cleaning up around here. 


And here is the crux, are there really that many people here who could volunteer that could help 'clean up' without bias?  I don't believe there is.  The people that write well thought out articles, like yourself (using you as an example and not wanting to name drop others) wouldn't have the time - so who does?  Those that are here ridiculing and heckling others on a daily basis and they would not be able to handle that kind of authority constructively.
 
the.dark.




RCdc -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/20/2008 1:44:53 AM)

Out of interest Misst - what do you see /how do you define a BDSM thread?  What would it be about/include etc?
 
the.dark.




Owner4SexSlave -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/20/2008 2:01:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: missturbation
More and more recently as i have perused this board and it's threads i have noticed one thing. It's distinct lack of BDSM threads! It appears to be becoming more and more 'nilla' . . .
Come on misst, you know where it went.   Look at the ill fate of many truly good BDSM threads on these forums.  A lot of people that are very experienced with BDSM in real life are not familiar with politics and ill manners of online forums and get quickly discouraged from further participation.


RS Perhaps you are right, however I'm glad you hung around to give me some insight as to why Girls love pretty Red Cages!  Enjoyed that Caging thread, which some people did not seem to understand at first.  Ummmmm.. that was a BDSM thread.  Not unless cages are a vanilla thing, pondering for a moment about how people use cages for their animals at home, and how similar the concept really is... Cringes at the thought how Vanilla even the True BDSM topics appear to be at times.




SassyBird -> RE: Where did the BDSM go? (10/20/2008 2:19:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

I wonder if theres a reluctance by relatively new people to post BDSM related questions, for fear of being roasted over the "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION" flames...


That was my first thought as well. I know thats why I'm not posting as much as I could be. :P




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