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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 3:17:12 PM   
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The kind of people who have a problem with families, are not the kind of people you want IN your family.


*laughs* OK, that has gotta be a serious contender for best quote of the day.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 3:38:00 PM   
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Calla,

I have yet to hear anything from you that was not the epitome of  concern for others and complete wisdom in every situation. After reading your replies to others my feelings have not changed. You will handle it perfectly as only you can.
I think you have taken great care to make sure that every one concerned is comfortable and informed. Your having concerns shows just how caring you are.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 4:45:33 PM   
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I come down more on the side where ExSteel and treasure are:  I've dealt with the fallout of my ums learning about their father's interests from an admittedly biased source...a left-behind, vindictive spouse.  My ums wound up knowing only the bad side of D/s and BDSM (yes, they even got to find out that their Dad is into this though at the time, I was not into the BDSM aspect in the way that I have become) because for me to have brought the right side of it to them would have resulted in even more hassles with the court and my reputation around town...and it was already taking a beating.  My belief is that, now that they are grown, I will answer questions they have...within limits.  But when I do, the discussion that results shows me the effects of what they learned first.  As adults, they have to accept (or not) who and what their dad is as a father and, to a certain extent, as a partner to whatever submissive I am with.  But just as I do not see the inner 24/7 workings of their dynamic, they do not need to see the more intimate, complex workings of mine.  I grew up knowing my parents were sexual creatures as did my ums but, as treasure said, I did not see what went on in their bedroom and my ums didn't either.  My folks did not feel the need to show me when I became an adult and I felt no need to show my kids.  Would I have a submissive naked or in any sort of sexual submission to me in front of my grown ums?  No.  That is not part of their "shared" family dynamic with me...and it won't be.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 5:19:01 PM   
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I take something of a harsher stance- they want to be your roommates, you should treat them like roommates.  They get extra perks of knowing the personalities, styles and knowing you'd be there in emergencies and stuff, but that doesn't mean they get to intrude on your personal life.  They COULD find other roommates and tough it out if they had to.

So just say "We're together"  As long as the servant isn't intruding on their space, their stuff, their hearing, or doing things that generally roommates do to irritate eachother, then there's really nothing to say.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 6:09:05 PM   
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I take something of a harsher stance- they want to be your roommates, you should treat them like roommates.  They get extra perks of knowing the personalities, styles and knowing you'd be there in emergencies and stuff, but that doesn't mean they get to intrude on your personal life.  They COULD find other roommates and tough it out if they had to.

So just say "We're together"  As long as the servant isn't intruding on their space, their stuff, their hearing, or doing things that generally roommates do to irritate eachother, then there's really nothing to say.


The problem isn't with our girls. They're great, and we treat them like we would any other room-mates. They don't mess with us, except to occasionally help with makeup. We share the kitchen and laundry. The girls' rooms are theirs -- private space. The hermit gets lost in hers, and that's all good, and we respect that she wants to clean hers herself, and doesn't want anyone touching her things or going through her artwork without her express invitation, but that's the same courtesy we treat one another with, and we'd expect it of anyone who came into the house.

The challenge has been with the "prospectives"... and more with the male than with the female -- but trust me, we don't need another drop of estrogen in this house right now without some testosterone (besides mine) to balance it out. It's been the potential s-types who have actually had the nerve to tell us that having our kids still living home is -wierd-, and that if they were going to submit to us, we'd have to "get rid" of our girls, and that they should be out on their own anyway. The first time, I just boggled and invited the gentleman to depart... the second time, I thought that maybe it was something in my presentation.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 6:10:09 PM   
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Only item of interest I thought of to add- just make sure that you explain boundaries very clearly to the prospective s-types. I know I've encountered a few guys out there who fantasize about serving more than one generation of women within a family. 

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 6:49:54 PM   
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Out of respect for My UM and My subs, I do not mix them, if I do all stays vanilla--but then that is Me, I have a respect for each person's tolerance of the other. I don't believe just because you are of age, I get to be in your face--nor do you get to be in Mine.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 7:46:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

....Neither of the girls will be involved in the time we spend with our servants, aside from things like the fact that some of the dishes will be theirs, or some of the laundry that needs to be attended to. Because of the amount of time it takes for us to feel comfortable welcoming someone as a member of the household, chances are good that our new servants and our girls would merely cross-in-passing on occasion. By the time we were ready to welcome one full-time, he'd know the girls and everyone would be comfortable (or, if there is any justice in the world, the girls will be off on their own!).


Perhaps for your prospects that part (above) is a little squishy and ill-defined - or at least perhaps not assuring enough.
As I think TreasureKY mentioned, there might be some concern about having people who aren't involved in the dynamic around, whether it's just hanging around, or getting a glass of juice, or whatever.
Maybe it's issues about privacy that are concerning your prospectives.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 8:10:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

Ok, I have a question, as it's a new experience for us, and I'm not sure how to handle it.

We have two young ladies living with us. They're new adults, and are our offspring,  they've signed 'room-mate' contracts with us at an affordable rent, and it looks unlikely, due to economic and educational requirements, that they'll be heading out on their own any time in the next couple of years. Both of them are aware of our way of life, etc., and actually grew up with it, so it's something they've always sort of known. One is in the fetish industry and body-mod industry herself, and is exploring fetish photography as well. The other is an artist and essential hermit, whose work is extremely outre, and deals with deviant and extreme subject matter, and as long as we leave her alone to draw and don't bother her with socialization, she's pretty much cool with anything that goes on around her. An atom bomb could go off in the living room, and as long as it didn't shake her hand while she was drawing, she wouldn't give two hoots or a holler. However, she despises having -anyone- go in her room for any reason... she truly is a hermit.

Neither of the girls will be involved in the time we spend with our servants, aside from things like the fact that some of the dishes will be theirs, or some of the laundry that needs to be attended to. Because of the amount of time it takes for us to feel comfortable welcoming someone as a member of the household, chances are good that our new servants and our girls would merely cross-in-passing on occasion. By the time we were ready to welcome one full-time, he'd know the girls and everyone would be comfortable (or, if there is any justice in the world, the girls will be off on their own!). However, they -are- still in the household now, and it doesn't look like they'll be moving out any time soon... at least not for the next year to 2 years... so how would folks handle explaining them to potential s-types considering our household?


I think you did a great job doing that right here.

In general, I'd have no problem serving around someone's adult kids - them knowing is what it's about makes things enormously easier compared to those who keep their bdsm side secretive.

Also, they're all grown up, so you're not expecting your servants to be raising them - something many dominants are lookng for.

Either way, it sounds very non-threatening to me.

Then again, I have had dominants who are very uncomfortable with my mother's knowledge of my BDSM side. I served a master who was appalled at her knowing to the point where it actually caused some friction between me and him - him refusing to meet her once he knew she knew he was more than a "boyfriend".


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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 8:46:20 PM   
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It seems quite simple to me. Our adult daughters live with us, they're aware of the lifestyle, they have no problem with it, and if you're going to be our servant, then you'll have no problem with them living here, since this is their home, and they're not obligated to go anywhere, if you don't like them living here.


No explination beyond that needed in my opinion.
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ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

Ok, I have a question, as it's a new experience for us, and I'm not sure how to handle it.

We have two young ladies living with us. They're new adults, and are our offspring, 

so how would folks handle explaining them to potential s-types considering our household?

Thanks in advance


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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 8:53:20 PM   
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I don't think they have a problem with families. I think they have a problem with families who're still living under the same roof while the children are now grown adults, or that the adult offspring now about moms kinks and mom knows her kids are kinky too.

Either way, still wouldn't be someone I'd want around me, since at 26 and 36 My partner and I live with my mom and dad, and they know we're kinky, they even hear me call him Daddy. And before Daddy moved in, I had no plans to move out, and due to our finacial situation, still don't. hell we're welcome here for 3 or 4 years before we decide to move out as long as we're not pests.

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What she said. 

You are talking about bringing people into your home and your life.  The kind of people who have a problem with families, are not the kind of people you want IN your family.



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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 9:11:57 PM   
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Why is every one assuming that people who have adult children in the house, and servants in the house and are kinky, that, that automatically means you're going to carry on explicit sexual acts in front of your adult children.

Sure, maybe some people would, but not every one does. And it does not automatically mean you're going to be naked crawling on all fours around your adult off spring, * to use your example* nor does it mean automatically that, there's going to be explicit acts going on in public shared living spaces.

To me it really speaks more about the person making these assumptions than the ones who want servants who're ok with the fact there's adult offspring in the house.


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ORIGINAL: TreasureKY


First, I would be squicked.

While it may be perfectly acceptable for some people to share their sexual lives with their progeny, I did not grow up that way.  What my parents got up to between themselves, stayed between them.  Personally, I really didn't then and don't now want to know what revved their motors.  The idea that anyone would grow up and be accustomed to a particular kink leads me to believe that what went on in the bedroom didn't stay in the bedroom.  That would be a fundamental difference in worldviews from my own.

Don't get me wrong... I fully believe in educating and open communication.  Just not by demonstrating.

Additionally I would be put off on the idea of sharing my own proclivities with persons other than my intended partner.  While I signed on to be Firm's submissive for him and him alone, I did not do so with the idea that I would have an audience.  No matter who they are.  Sure, if he wants to dress me in next to nothing and have me crawling from room to room on all fours while I clean house, that is fine if it is just he and I.  But to require the same behavior when there is someone else present, even an adult relative, would be unacceptable to me.  It would be asking me to share myself (a private part of me) with someone I don't have that kind of relationship with.

As for how to bring this type of thing up with a potential?  I agree with the others in this thread that I see nothing wrong with how you've described your situation here.  It's just that some won't like the idea.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 9:40:24 PM   
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Hey there Calla,
It is cool the way you have explained it.  My niece's mother left her nice Jewish father to go live with a black man and his several other women.  That happened ten years ago, and now my darling girl is a very well put together 18 year old who is very open and accepting of all kinds of people.  She has been taught about communication, caring for others, flexibility.  She is the most passionate and alive person!  I think her family's openness was a part of that.  She lived in a non-traditional family - and lived to tell the tale!  She knows about me and my tendencies in WIITWD, my bisexuality, my adventurous nature.  And she is totally cool with it.

There is a difference between discretion and lying... there is a diffference between being open and inappropriate.  Sounds like you know where the line is.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 9:40:32 PM   
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Then again, I have had dominants who are very uncomfortable with my mother's knowledge of my BDSM side. I served a master who was appalled at her knowing to the point where it actually caused some friction between me and him - him refusing to meet her once he knew she knew he was more than a "boyfriend".



*grins*

Funny, most of the Dominants I have spoken with think it's kind of neat that my parents know that three of their four offspring are kinky, and that we know they are. It's not like we all talk about our specific kinks and such, it's just acknowledged that we all have our own personal interests and that's cool.

Makes things a lot easier for me, considering I still live at home - I can come home with lots of bruises and marks, and the general response is a teasing comment of, "Oh my GOD...you're such a hussy. When are you bringing your Dom over for dinner?"

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/23/2008 11:38:31 PM   
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ehhh Kids I have mixed feelings my prevailing thought is.  Don't do anything that you wouldn't do in front of you mother.  It doesn't matter how old the kids are they are still "your kids"  It's that basic in my mind.  That being said I sometimes see with disdain the way some ppl talk and act around thier parents.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/24/2008 4:42:37 AM   
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It's been the potential s-types who have actually had the nerve to tell us that having our kids still living home is -wierd-, and that if they were going to submit to us, we'd have to "get rid" of our girls, and that they should be out on their own anyway.

The first time, I just boggled and invited the gentleman to depart... the


Grins, and here i was losing my faith in you!
 
Then you turn around and give the exact answer to these subbies i've come to expect from you by reading your posts. Brava !
 
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RE: New adults, still around - 10/24/2008 6:03:55 AM   
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 . so how would folks handle explaining them to potential s-types considering our household? 


It is realistic to be concerned regarding the sensibilities of potential s-types, but it is your household.   It is simply one additional aspect of compatibility.   

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/24/2008 6:18:07 AM   
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Do nothing different than you would in a normal vanilla relationship. Plain and simple. You don't go around having hot, nasty sex in front of the whole household in a normal (and I'm stressing the normal here - there are some sick puppies out there.) relationship, and you really shouldn't flaunt anything in front of your offspring that you'd like to keep under wraps; this isn't to hide anything - I think it's more common courtesy.

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/24/2008 7:07:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I take something of a harsher stance- they want to be your roommates, you should treat them like roommates.  They get extra perks of knowing the personalities, styles and knowing you'd be there in emergencies and stuff, but that doesn't mean they get to intrude on your personal life.  They COULD find other roommates and tough it out if they had to.

So just say "We're together"  As long as the servant isn't intruding on their space, their stuff, their hearing, or doing things that generally roommates do to irritate eachother, then there's really nothing to say.


The problem isn't with our girls. They're great, and we treat them like we would any other room-mates. They don't mess with us, except to occasionally help with makeup. We share the kitchen and laundry. The girls' rooms are theirs -- private space. The hermit gets lost in hers, and that's all good, and we respect that she wants to clean hers herself, and doesn't want anyone touching her things or going through her artwork without her express invitation, but that's the same courtesy we treat one another with, and we'd expect it of anyone who came into the house.

The challenge has been with the "prospectives"... and more with the male than with the female -- but trust me, we don't need another drop of estrogen in this house right now without some testosterone (besides mine) to balance it out. It's been the potential s-types who have actually had the nerve to tell us that having our kids still living home is -wierd-, and that if they were going to submit to us, we'd have to "get rid" of our girls, and that they should be out on their own anyway. The first time, I just boggled and invited the gentleman to depart... the second time, I thought that maybe it was something in my presentation.


It isn't necessarily something in your presentation other than WHAT you are presenting them with.  These people...these prospective servants...like ExSteel, treasure, myself may have trouble wrapping their minds around the fact that part of their time in your house may be spent in bottoming position and that there may be "kids" around to see that.  Weird as it might seem, given that your "kids" are now "adults", it could be that to these prospects, the idea of exposing the sexual/intimate nature of the dynamic to your children...even your grown children...strikes them as squicky.  And in all honesty...speaking for myself only here as a male...I know my female ums are having sex;  one of them even made me a grandfather BUT I don't really need to hear, let alone see, how they do it. 

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RE: New adults, still around - 10/24/2008 7:46:47 AM   
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the idea of exposing the sexual/intimate nature of the dynamic to your children...even your grown children...strikes them as squicky.  And in all honesty...speaking for myself only here as a male...I know my female ums are having sex;  one of them even made me a grandfather BUT I don't really need to hear, let alone see, how they do it. 


I don't think Calla is beating the servants in front of the kids.
 
I think it is more that they are witnessing, to me at least, everyday expressions of who/what the servants are.
 
I do not see an issue with that anymore than i see an issue with them seeing a married couple hold hands or call each other dear.
 
It is possible, even admirable, to be able to freely be who you are without exposing others to acts that are intimate.
 
But then again i raised all 3 of mine in a biker poly M/s household. That does not mean they witnessed inappropriate acts. It means the did see the basic, affectionate behavior involved in the dynamic. Like me always waiting on their dad. 
 
So what, i've seen my bi switch daughter holding hands with her partner.
 
And guess what, all of my grown kids are open, respectful, tolerant, responsible people. All three own their own homes, are college grads, one is a nurse, one is a veterinarian, one is a corporate vice president.
 
Only one is in the lifestyle while two are bi.
 
I guess if it squicks you out, well then it does.
 
I would rather associate with folks who can be accepting about all the varied, wonderful, different ways of loving that life has to offer.
 
It almost sounds to me, from the posters who this upsets to one degree or another, that any demonstration or evidence out of the ordinary vanilla realm, is not something to be displayed.
 
CD, you say you are a grandpa (kudos btw, aren't grandkids wonderful, i have five myself) so you know but just do not want to witness the act. Don't you ever see your child and their mate kissing or holding hands?
 
Why is that intimacy different than one of Calla's servants bringing her a drink respectfully in front of her grown kids?

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