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teensub -> RE: Self masochism, unhealthy or healthy? (11/2/2008 2:43:18 PM)

I find it incredibly difficult talking about my emotions. So talking to a complete strange about them just doesn't work




RainydayNE -> RE: Self masochism, unhealthy or healthy? (11/2/2008 3:04:37 PM)

yeah that's another thing.
and they don't really know anything about you other than what some doctor writes in a file (a doctor who does'nt know you either and doesn't listen to a word you say anyway) and they already have some "idea" about you when you get there, and seem pretty determined to diagnose you in a way that fits their preconceived idea.
and if you do talk to them, the obvious leading in a particular direction is just so annoying. =p
will never go back to one. period.




teensub -> RE: Self masochism, unhealthy or healthy? (11/2/2008 3:10:36 PM)

I have also found peoples reaction to self harmers very bad indeed.
Even therapists and other health workers. Working on a plastic surgery ward i came across a patient who had cut her self quite badly and had a history of self harm and mental problems. She was feeling rather down and had decided to go to the loo and lock the door (oh the horror..) to have some quiet time. However the nurses reaction to this was that she was obviously going in there to cut herself, and were talking among themselves about how she was mad. I asked one of the nurses what was wrong with her (before i knew the situation) and the nurse said, shes mad, you know she cuts herself and things. Nedds help if you ask me.

For me to hear that as someone who self harms it was very difficult, i sometimes feel people view it as something worse than alcohol/drug addiction.
I tried to talk to the girl but she was reluctant to respond to any of the health team now, and for very good reason!




RainydayNE -> RE: Self masochism, unhealthy or healthy? (11/2/2008 3:15:10 PM)

well i'd be wondering why they did plastic surgery on a chick with self harming problems in the first place. most doctors would tell her "absolutely not" =p  (well, unless it was some sort of medical necessity, like reconstruction after a car crash or repairing birth defects, since not all plastic surgery is elective, etc etc)

but there is a certain "attitude" towards self harm that people have. the idea of injuring yourself or committing suicide or something is kind of in the same class as being a mom and murdering your children
since one of the greatest drives in nature is self-preservation, self-injury is counterintuitive for most people.




BLGirl -> RE: Self masochism, unhealthy or healthy? (11/2/2008 3:20:18 PM)

I am a masochist, it is as simple as that. Most any pain will do, although some will do more than others to satiate my need. For instance, child birth, wrought with uncontrollable pain for most, is a beautiful pain to me. I doubt that it hurts me less than others, perhaps more even given my size 5'2", and my biggest was 10 lbs., but I am able to control the pain and make it my own, not something that is simply happening to me. I am one of those rare women that looks forward to and savors the point of crowning.
I think that most of us are speaking of the same thing, just with different terminology, which makes for confusion and at times hard feelings. I know that whether I am having pain inflicted upon me or I am inflicting pain upon myself, I am doing it for a release of some sort. I equate pain with harm, wherever it emanates from. If I am wound tight, so tight that I feel as though I will surely burst if the pressure is not lessened at least a bit, I will often go to Daddy and tell him. He knows that I need him to hurt me, to harm me, and to break the seal on this rage within.
I will agree with another here, that self-harm, be it cutting, burning, etc. is a very controlled thing. Many people who inflict pain/injury/harm upon themselves, are very educated as to the anatomy and physiology of the human body. Keep in mind that these individuals are not attempting suicide, therefore, they only do so much as to release, not cause permanent damage (generally speaking of course). Knowing that you have the propensity to do such things is of great value. I hate to quote G. I. Joe, but "Knowing is Half the Battle!"
I know that I have this need within, I know that it is not going away, therefore I avoid certain situations. Such as washing a knife, for to do so with my bare hands, makes me want to draw the blade across my flesh (often the palm of my hand), thus sending a quiver up and down my spine coming to rest, in my soul. Not an orgasm as such, but not far from either. However, I have to weigh the consequences; what type of work will I be doing with my hands, how deep can I go before serious harm is inflicted, are my little ones home, etc. Because of my knowledge of my innate desires, I am able to control them. I simply choose the healthiest of ways to express and therefore quell the desire.
My impression has always been that piercing, tattooing, scarification, etc. are considered self-mutilation/self-harming, because it is an act of violence against ones self, in spite of the fact that it is being done by another. If I feel the need to draw the knife upon myself, but instead choose to visit a tatto studio, or have a body part pierced; I am dealing with this in not so much a healthy manner, but a socially acceptable one. When I need to release some demon from within; if I am not feeling that I am myself and I therefore pick up a pair of clippers and shave my head, thus feeling lighter and relieved, is it not healthy? Some would say no, others would say yes. The fact is this, I have always carried this insatiable desire to be hurt, but hurt on my terms. If I am masturbating and alternate between the pleasure of my fingers upon my clit and the painful pleasure of the self-inflicted sting of leather upon it, it is pain on my terms, I am in control. It is no different with a partner, they are a tool that I employ to inflict pain upon myself.
In seeking out a partner to do this, we are essentially, harming ourselves.
 
Of course, this is just my experience and opinion.





StevenTeal -> RE: Self masochism, unhealthy or healthy? (11/3/2008 3:18:21 PM)

Wow. There are so many responses to this posting. I have a hard time reading them all. But, I did want to contribute to this, as, I too, am a masochist. However, my main reason that I ever do it myself, is that I do not have a Sadist to take enjoyment out of my pain and sufferring. For me, however, it is not as enjoyable in the 'do it yourself' state, as, there is an exchange that goes on, mental/emotional, when you are interacting with a Dominant Sadist. For me, there has to be that emotional aspect of it, it is not just pain for the sake of it. And I know that there are many many others who feel this way too. So, if someone is into the pain by themselves just for the sake of the pain etc, then, I really do not understand it as much.




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