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beargonewild -> RE: Pro-life Anti-Christian (10/28/2008 7:27:44 AM)
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ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach
I had originally promised myself that absolutely, positively, under no circumstances, would I reply to this thread. I managed until now, but simply can't any longer. I've been fighting the urge to do so for Hours now - and I'm through fighting with myself.
Phil - as to your OP - you make a very good point. Free Will means having the option for ANY of the choices, and then choosing what the individual feels is best for herself (or himself) - not in being told by folks who don't know you, don't live your life, don't have your personal relationship with Diety, your individual experiences and concerns tell you, "hey, I find this particular choice invalid because I consider it morally objectionable, therefore I'm making the choice FOR YOU, so that *I won't be Offended by Your morality. But just so you feel like you still have some say in the matter - here is an option that I Will approve of as Morally Viable In My Own Eyes, and you can do that. Good luck, don't ask for my help now that I've made your decision for you." If nothing else, such an attitude out of Kinksters - folks who are Routinely Judged About Their Sexuality by the "normals" in society - I consider it hypocritical to start getting pissy about a Moral issue while condeming others for getting pissy about YOUR sexual Morality. (You being Generic in this sense.)
As for the Rest of the various comments on the thread.....
How many of you have actually had to face the decision making process? How many of you have been faced with agonizing over what is actually Best for Everyone Who Is Actually Concerned with the situation? How many of you have sat in the doctor's office, waiting for an appointment, having to face the second thoughts that run rampant? How many of you have woken up afterwards in both physical and emotional agony, not even knowing that you've been crying nearly hysterically in your drug induced sleep until the nurse asks you if you're through crying? How many of you have faced hate filled, judgemental, obscenity screaming asshats waiting outside the doctor's office to call you a murderer - while at the same time having no idea of WHY you were there, or what brought you to the decision, and frankly not giving a shit as to the Why so long as you know that they consider you scum because they're screaming it at you at the top of their lungs six inches from your face? How many of you have had to try and pull the shreds of your dignity around you to walk that sort of gauntlet, while inside all you want to do is scream back at the unknowing, unknown haters who have the temerity and Utter Gall to think they have some sort of right to stand in Judgement - or perhaps just to punch a few of them violently and repeatedly in the face to make them back off?
It is Not an easy decision to make. It is even more difficult to carry through with once it's made, even knowing that it IS the best choice available to you. It is something that you question yourself on for the REST OF YOUR LIFE once it's made. Yes, I have faced that decision making process. I faced that hate filled screaming gauntlet. And not one... NOT ONE... of those screaming "pro-life" folks stopped even for a second to ask me WHY I did what I did, or to find out what my emotional state was in coming to the decision, or to give a flying rat's ass what sort of pain I was in across the emotional and physical spectrum.
How many of you who simply say, rather self rightously, "put the kid up for adoption" would stand up and volunteer to take in a child that might not live to see his or her first birthday? How many of you - HONESTLY - have the fucking Fortitude it takes to raise a severely handicapped child from birth, to deal with the daily emotional traumas, the uncertainty, the constant medical emergencies? And if you have the fortitude to do it Once, how about 2? 3? 4? that all have severe problems and can't even survive without machines to keep their blood pumping and force oxygen into their lungs, and that will never - for as long as the machines are capable of forcing oxygen - know who you are, who they are, or do anything other than lay in a crib with a feeding tube up their nose while You wait for the machines to finally fail in their task?
It's so easy to sit there, smug and self rightous, saying that it's never a valid option. That it's never the right choice. But you're wrong. Sometimes, it's the Only viable choice.
I thank you for being able to explain this side as straight forward and blunt as possible and in a way which we males and people who have never been in a situation of making a choice such as this. Kudos.
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