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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 9:16:32 AM   
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lol

i do believe we are seeing a pattern here.

Person: blah blah blah
Rover: Wrong!
Person: blah blah blah
Rover: Wrong, me Grimlock KING




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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 9:28:55 AM   
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lol

i do believe we are seeing a pattern here.

Person: blah blah blah
Rover: Wrong!
Person: blah blah blah
Rover: Wrong, me Grimlock KING




It's good to see that you have not entirely lost your capacity to make an intellectual contribution to a discussion.
 
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Ohhhh, is that what you do? please. its obvious to me you have WAY too much time on your hands and you have something to prove. Big ego.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 9:47:47 AM   
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And the past 60 years has been a gradual chipping away at the original intent and interpretation.




"Original intent" is something we just don't agree on John...obviously. I just don't wish to carry on the discussion further. It's time to wrap it up.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 10:03:12 AM   
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"Original intent" is something we just don't agree on John...obviously. I just don't wish to carry on the discussion further. It's time to wrap it up.


Actually, it really doesn't matter whether you and I agree on original intent.  I was trying to ascertain your agreement or disagreement with the original 160 years of the establishment clause. 
 
That's ok, I think the point was made.  People can draw their own conclusions.
 
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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 10:17:40 AM   
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"Original intent" is something we just don't agree on John...obviously. I just don't wish to carry on the discussion further. It's time to wrap it up.


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People can draw their own conclusions.

John


LOL, that's if they're still reading!

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 10:34:18 AM   
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People can draw their own conclusions.

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LOL, that's if they're still reading!


There are over 2,200 views of this thread.  Second most on the front page.  Seems more than a few are reading.
 
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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 11:04:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, good. It would be interesting to read other opinions.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 1:53:53 PM   
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Well, good. It would be interesting to read other opinions.


Well this thread is certainly going to help me deal with my insomnia! Ha.

All kidding aside, even though you both strayed well past the original intention of the original post, it's appealing to see two men debate an issue/opinion/whatever while still remaining (mostly civil). Thank you for setting an example.




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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 3:01:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian

Well, good. It would be interesting to read other opinions.


Well this thread is certainly going to help me deal with my insomnia! Ha.

All kidding aside, even though you both strayed well past the original intention of the original post, it's appealing to see two men debate an issue/opinion/whatever while still remaining (mostly civil). Thank you for setting an example.



An exchange of ideas—especially contrary to my own beliefs—is always interesting to read, but beating a dead horse just puts me to sleep.

Anyway...do we get gold stars on our foreheads now?

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 3:19:11 PM   
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Anyway...do we get gold stars on our foreheads now?


Heh. At least.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/7/2008 9:13:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just signed up on collarme tonight, but saw this post and was very interested in the discussion between you guys. Honestly, it was a good read. I'm not on the same par of debate that you're both on with this subject, but I was wondering about something Rover brought up at the end here about the original way the constitution was practiced. I mean, if certain things were allowed up until the 40's and then they were changed, doesn't that "constitute" (pun intended) a change in the constitution?

Also: if were are seeing religion and gvernment as more separate these days, why do you think the times are dangerous for people in the lifestyle in America? Sorry if you don't want to talk more about this, I'm just curious.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/8/2008 8:28:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Nemesis,

Just to be specific, we were talking about the First Amendment of the Constitution, precisely where it relates to the "Establishment Claus".

I don't see it as a "change in the constitution" after or a "wrong interpretation" prior. I do see the modern interpretation as a finer point on something that inevitably needed to be clarified, particularly with religious ideas growing more divergent and secular thought gaining more traction in the twentieth century, the first spark of which appeared in its early years.

A Bible and a reader where ideas grandfathered in from colonial days; preexisting the Constitution. It was neither right nor wrong, but simply was. The lower courts ruling in favor of teaching Christian creationism over evolution in a case from the twenties was a clear violation of the First Amendment—a Perry Mason moment, if you will—leading to our need to make a textual interpretation of the Establishment Claus more clearly.

This debate got rolling from whether my use of the idea of separation of church and state was a result of modern construct or the spirit in which the First Amendment was intended. I feel framing it as a "choice" between either or is fallacious, believing they are really one and the same. Others vehemently assert that's wishful thinking, claiming the state is not and never was granted protection from the church in the First Amendment. The argument goes on.

In regards to your second question, one would assume, particularly in 2008, we are well protected from the spiritual beliefs of our statesmen or their constituents, but I contend recent years have vibrantly proven the contrary. The Obama administration or the new faces in Congress won't necessarily prove to be any better. Time will tell.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/9/2008 9:22:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		But what about actual cases brought to the supreme court before the 20th century? How were they judged or was there a clear ruling at all? This stuff gets really confusing when you google it. And what about the simple fact that bibles were in schools anyway? Doesnt that point to an opinion on the claus?

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/9/2008 10:03:18 AM   
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But what about actual cases brought to the supreme court before the 20th century? How were they judged or was there a clear ruling at all? This stuff gets really confusing when you google it. And what about the simple fact that bibles were in schools anyway? Doesnt that point to an opinion on the claus?


I readily admit I am not a law history buff, but I believe there was little attention to this matter paid by the Supreme Court over the first century, outside of a case in 1879 over the Establishment Claus's protection of polygamy. Does that prove or deny either side of the argument? That's ultimately a matter of debate, I suppose.

Regarding your second question, just because something exists under the nose of a constitutional republic doesn't mean it's either supported or rejected by it until there is a clear and unambiguous ruling made. I would submit to you a woman's clear right to vote only in the past eighty or so years as an example of this.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/9/2008 10:56:04 AM   
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Well, good. It would be interesting to read other opinions.


My opinion is that when Thomas Jefferson penned these words -

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" thus building a wall of eternal separation between Church & State."-
 
that the wall he writes of is two-sided. A wall keeps things out as well as keeps them in. Government should not push itself into religion anymore than religion should push itself into Government.







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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/9/2008 11:06:24 AM   
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Being that we call America the land of the free,
 
I was just wondering how other countries viewed the Bdsm lifestyle?
 
I know that America is pretty laid back, and unless someone is killed by the lifestyle, I know that what we do in our own homes is private to us and the World doesn't have to know about it.
 
Any thoughts?
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"Man can't create Woman, but he sure can create gods."

 
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See I think that Briatin is fairly laid back to be honest, I know that we are seen as really prudish which has been around since the victorians (right bunch of perverts they were in reality)

I think that here s/m jokes have been around for ages, they crop up in sitcoms and tv, we have ann summers on pretty much every high street, we are actually fairly laid back sexually i think, im sure others wont agree so im going to qualify with the wrds my generation.


See I thought I would just pop that in there just in case people had forgotten what the op was.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/10/2008 12:23:17 PM   
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Well, good. It would be interesting to read other opinions.


My opinion is that when Thomas Jefferson penned these words -

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man & his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" thus building a wall of eternal separation between Church & State."-

that the wall he writes of is two-sided. A wall keeps things out as well as keeps them in. Government should not push itself into religion anymore than religion should push itself into Government.


Not surprisingly, I concur.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/15/2008 2:38:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		There was a recent case, here in England, amounting to a well known businessman engaging in an S&M orgy; the orgy was complete with Nazi uniforms and heads being shaved. The press in this country report pretty much everything they can get their hands on, and are sued for libel from time to time; they reported this case, so Mosley (the said businessman) took the publishing group to court.

The publishing group argued for freedom of expression; Mosley argued for the right to privacy. There was the matter of what exactly is in the public interest, too.

The court ruled that regardless of content, and regardless of whether or not many viewed Nazi uniforms together with shaven heads with distaste, Mosley was indeed entitled to his privacy.

This should shed some light on the matter.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/15/2008 6:41:50 AM   
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I'm getting woody over tax exemption and the thing and the yadda.

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RE: Dominance in other Countries? - 11/15/2008 8:01:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe it is because we are gringos living full time in Mexico and the local authorities already think we are crazy but we feel we have a lot more freedom to live our bdsm here than when we lived in the US.... with the exception of our time in San Francisco. We lived in fairly libreal places like Denver, Phoenix and So Cal and believe that we have a better situation here... On the other hand even with language skills it is hard for foreigners to make connection into the bdsm communities in Mexico...

We think most (but not all) Americans over estimate their rights and freedoms in the US and assume they have the best way of life in the world because they just don't know any better.

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