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celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 8:36:45 PM)
quote: She got herself in the situation she is in. It's not my place to try and save her, even if I could. Would you allow the rest of community that same disinterest?

theobserver -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 8:39:59 PM)
I talked about it (race) because there is no need to act like it doesn't exist. That is the problem with the discussion, call it what it is then we can discuss the matter further. Disingenuous back and forth is not productive.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 8:42:44 PM)
quote: it seems to me that Obama's response was that he was unaware of her situation... why should he be if she did not desire help from him? The word "unaware" is in fact the problem.

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 8:46:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Welfare Fraud ? Public housing, Mike. That isn't even an entitlement program. She is an illegal immigrant in our country, and, since there is only so much subsidized housing available, keeping a citizen homeless, somewhere. edit to add: The Obama camp caught a break there. She moved from federally-funded housing, to a state operated facility with some mighty liberal rules back in January.

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 8:54:15 PM)
Well in that case Heretic....string her up,waste no time....string the old bitch up.

TheHeretic -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:07:01 PM)
That's the way, Mike. When you can't possibly argue the facts, or even defend them, accuse the other guy of holding some extreme position that you feel competent to attack and ridicule.

servantheart -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:07:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: y point is that not everyone holds him to a different standard because of his ethnicity. How so? As I have stated, those I have known who are not black would assist their families when the need arises. quote: for the circumstances under which I would provide assistance to those in my family, I speak only of that which I was brought up to believe in and act on, that being any of my family who comes on hard times will have the benefit of my assistance in whatever way I am capable of giving. The only contraindication for that help is if they are a danger to me or my UMs in any way. How long depends on factors such as whether they're doing all they can to help themselves resolve the situation vs freeloading. So you are going to force yourself on extended family without invitation? You are going to force them to take your help? My question is this: do you go around asking distant relatives for handouts because they are better off than you? I was raised that one doesn't ask that sort of help from extended family, and to me an aunt is extended family. I have about 8 of them and as many uncles (not including their spouses). I will help wherever I can and in whatever way I can. Members of our family have been known to leave cash when visiting a struggling, proud relative's (immediate as well as extended) house in a place where it would be found later. My soon to be ex-husband and I have given help to his too proud Dad because he couldn't bring himself to ask for help and it was very obvious he desperately needed help at that time. In this case, we gave what we could to my mother in law. There are ways of helping proud people if one really wants to. So I guess the answer to your question is a resounding YES. No family of mine will be without the necessities so long as I have the means to help them. I have yet to hear anyone complain about our having "forced" help down their throat. quote: throughout my life I have known others from all ethnic groups who believe the same way.I am willing to hazard a guess that there are plenty of non-black people that live these same values. I do not buy in to the folly that Obama or any black person is held to a different standard regarding taking care of our own. Are you saying that Black people don't feel that way? Nope. I am trying to understand bringing race into this... It would be nice if race were never brought into anything. As mentioned, I am not the one who did so. you seem not to know any Black people. Spoken like someone completely ignorant of my personal life [8\|]

thishereboi -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:14:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse I have to say taht I wondered what the "rest of the story" is when I first read this article this morning. I guess I am not the only one that has family members that have less than ideal lives. Some I rarely see, and even though I rarely see them, I care about them. Their living style is certainly not my responsibility nor is all the details of their life. My mother lives in subsidized housing and is probably on welfare. She got herself in the situation she is in. It's not my place to try and save her, even if I could. She is probibly on welfare? Don't you know.....

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:17:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic That's the way, Mike. When you can't possibly argue the facts, or even defend them, accuse the other guy of holding some extreme position that you feel competent to attack and ridicule. Damm right I feel competent to attack and ridicule this whle discussion.On Nov.4th we are electing a President who will have to steer this country through a financial mess unseen since the depression,the new President in addition will inherit 2 wars....and you want to discuss some woman living in 1 unit of public housing in Mass....Damm right,this whole conversation is rediculous.But cary on ,perhaps a smoking gun might be found....Oct. surprise my ass.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:22:10 PM)
quote: On Nov.4th we are electing a President who will have to steer this country through a financial mess unseen since the depression No, Mike, we're not. The President is not the steward of this nation's economy. He is a convenient lightning rod in for the economically frustrated who desire a ready-made scapegoat, but no more than that. Presidents do not improve economies. The best that can be achieved is they not damage them.

slvemike4u -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:33:07 PM)
Well than somebody should have told that to President Bush...you think he accomplished the "best that can be achieved".This conversation is still silly and nothing more than another in a long series of attempts to distract the electorate.

Sanity -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:35:41 PM)
Seems to be a pattern there. Unaware after twenty years of services that Jeremiah Jackson was so radical. Unaware that he was joined at the hip with an unrepentant terrorist. Unaware that he was gifted valuable property from a felon... How convenient his lack of awareness can be. Any more senseless, clueless and unaware and swear he'd have to be reclassified as a vegetable. quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: it seems to me that Obama's response was that he was unaware of her situation... why should he be if she did not desire help from him? The word "unaware" is in fact the problem.

Kirata -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 9:48:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: theobserver I talked about it (race) because there is no need to act like it doesn't exist. There is every need to act like it doesn't exist. Acting like it matters is what racism is all about. K.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 10:14:53 PM)
quote: Members of our family have been known to leave cash when visiting a struggling, proud relative's (immediate as well as extended) house in a place where it would be found later That would offend me, but then again I was raised that just isn't done... pushing my help on people who have let me know they do not want it. If I tell someone I do not want their help, I mean it.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 10:21:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: it seems to me that Obama's response was that he was unaware of her situation... why should he be if she did not desire help from him? The word "unaware" is in fact the problem. Is it? Do you know what all of your extended family is doing? I have 10 aunts and three uncles on my mom's side. I have 4 uncles on my dad's side... they all have spouses. I have so many cousins I cannot count them all, and I have tried. I do not know what the vast majority of these people are up to most of the time... occasionally we have a family reunion and catch up, and I have a cousin or two on myspace... but there are just too damn many of them. I recently lost a beloved aunt, I had not seen her in two years because she moved to Utah.... turns out that she had been in a lot of pain, and I did not know because she did not want to trouble all of us with it... As I have stated, some of us have something called pride, perhaps you do not have any so asking your nieces and nephews for handouts would not bother you.... I could not imagine asking my son or my niece for a handout... especially my niece... she comes to me for help, not the other way around.

servantheart -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 10:24:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: Members of our family have been known to leave cash when visiting a struggling, proud relative's (immediate as well as extended) house in a place where it would be found later That would offend me, but then again I was raised that just isn't done... pushing my help on people who have let me know they do not want it. If I tell someone I do not want their help, I mean it. Congratulations. If you want to be offended because those close to you cared enough to offer their sincere help, knock yourself out. In our family, we help if and when it's needed. Once the help is given, it's up to the person who received it to do with it as they will. If they don't want to use the help given, that is their perogative, but at least the help was there and they know that when the chips are down, they won't be left on their own to drown in their difficulties.

celticlord2112 -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/1/2008 10:38:28 PM)
quote: As I have stated, some of us have something called pride, perhaps you do not have any so asking your nieces and nephews for handouts would not bother you.... A great many of us have pride. That particular vice, however, is categorically irrelevant to the discussion at hand, given that the One's aunt is already receiving a "handout" from the State of Massachusetts, and formerly from the federal government. Which ultimately comes back to my original point in this thread: If people were more willing to help (or, to use your construction, give "handouts") to family members down on their luck, government-funded--taxpayer-funded--welfare arguably would not ever be needed.

LaTigresse -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/2/2008 6:16:23 AM)
Celtic....The "community" whatever the hell that is, can be as aware or unaware of my mother as they want. It's no business of mine. thishereboi..... Why would I know the details my mother's finances? You see, some of you very obviously know all the details of ALL of your family members lives. I don't. I don't expect that others know the details of all of their family members lives either. My dislike for John McCain's politics has been obvious. Yet, I would never hold him accountable for his brother's abominal behaviour of late. John McCain is an adult and so is his brother. They both are responsible for their own behaviour. Obama's aunt obviously does not live with him. She is responsible for her own issues. As for her legal issues, last I knew the president doesn't enforce laws. I seriously doubt the woman will hire him to represent her in court.

thishereboi -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/2/2008 6:21:36 AM)
Well, right off the top of my head, I would say because she is your mother. However I do realize that not all families are as close as mine is. I guess I was just lucky that way.

kittinSol -> RE: Obama's beloved Auntie Zietuni (11/2/2008 6:23:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: celticlord2112 quote: She got herself in the situation she is in. It's not my place to try and save her, even if I could. Would you allow the rest of community that same disinterest? Since when were you interested in "the collective" and in mutual solidarity [8\|] ?

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