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When is it his and Michelle's responsiblity to provide for everyone in their family.

If people were more willing to make provision for their families, the "need" for public housing and other forms of welfare could arguably be eliminated.

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When is it his and Michelle's responsiblity to provide for everyone in their family.

If people were more willing to make provision for their families, the "need" for public housing and other forms of welfare could arguably be eliminated.

Do you make provisions for everyone in your family, even half sister's of your absentee father? Or how about that third cousin removed ... do you make provisions when they are hitting hard times. Yes, we do what we can for our extended families, but we are not beholden to others. It is nice and a good thing to help extended family, friends and neighbors, but are we obligated to? No

Of course I will admit, I am a bit Idealistic but even, I, can be a realist. I have aunts, uncles and cousins who have dealt with a lot in their life and now are in need of help, and I have tried to do what I can, but can they come live here with me ... and can I support them? No I can't.

I'm not trying to be the great defender of Obama, the man can clearly stand up for himself, but what I am saying is that, we as black people, seem to be held to a different standard as everyone else and I'm sick of it. Personal responsibility is a good thing ... it should be taught by everyone, but also it should be applied to everyone and not be marked as exempt when the person is not black.

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In my family we wouldn't let a beloved aunt live forgotten in squalor, "apparent" or otherwise.

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It's a little more than being "denied"; she was *"ordered to leave the U.S." *according to the A.P. article.
Also, those types of programs should *never* lead to U.S. Citizenship.

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It's a little more than being "denied"; she was *"ordered to leave the U.S." *according to the A.P. article.
Also, those types of programs should *never* lead to U.S. Citizenship.

Hmmm Just what some of my ancestors said..yet.. here you are. Amazing how many immigrants and descendants of immigrants want to deny others the same option.

poenkitten

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When is it his and Michelle's responsiblity to provide for everyone in their family.

If people were more willing to make provision for their families, the "need" for public housing and other forms of welfare could arguably be eliminated.

Do you make provisions for everyone in your family, even half sister's of your absentee father? Or how about that third cousin removed ... do you make provisions when they are hitting hard times. Yes, we do what we can for our extended families, but we are not beholden to others. It is nice and a good thing to help extended family, friends and neighbors, but are we obligated to? No

Of course I will admit, I am a bit Idealistic but even, I, can be a realist. I have aunts, uncles and cousins who have dealt with a lot in their life and now are in need of help, and I have tried to do what I can, but can they come live here with me ... and can I support them? No I can't.

I'm not trying to be the great defender of Obama, the man can clearly stand up for himself, but what I am saying is that, we as black people, seem to be held to a different standard as everyone else and I'm sick of it. Personal responsibility is a good thing ... it should be taught by everyone, but also it should be applied to everyone and not be marked as exempt when the person is not black.

I must take exception with your assertion that, in doing for one's family, more is expected of black people than other ethnic groups.  I grew up being taught that charity begins at home and that you do for your family even if it means falling on hard times yourself in the process because that is what families do for each other.  The exception for us would be those who refuse to help themselves in any way (i.e. are lazy and refuse to work).  Family comes before anyone else.
 

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However, once again, it's funny how he is held to a different standard than other.

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However, once again, it's funny how he is held to a different standard than other.

I fail to see the humor, but it is likely the reason The One is held to a different (lower) standard is because the lower standard represents the limits of his character and/or ability.

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I must take exception with your assertion that, in doing for one's family, more is expected of black people than other ethnic groups.  I grew up being taught that charity begins at home and that you do for your family even if it means falling on hard times yourself in the process because that is what families do for each other.  The exception for us would be those who refuse to help themselves in any way (i.e. are lazy and refuse to work).  Family comes before anyone else.
 

Family may come first, above friends and acquaintances, but for how long and in what circumstances? You, nor I no the intricate details of Obama's family situation. However, once again, it's funny how he is held to a different standard than other. That's all I will say. I don't see your point.

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y point is that not everyone holds him to a different standard because of his ethnicity. 

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for the circumstances under which I would provide assistance to those in my family, I speak only of that which I was brought up to believe in and act on, that being any of my family who comes on hard times will have the benefit of my assistance in whatever way I am capable of giving. The only contraindication for that help is if they are a danger to me or my UMs in any way. How long depends on factors such as whether they're doing all they can to help themselves resolve the situation vs freeloading.

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throughout my life I have known others from all ethnic groups who believe the same way.I am willing to hazard a guess that there are plenty of non-black people that live these same values. I do not buy in to the folly that Obama or any black person is held to a different standard regarding taking care of our own.

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Or we can discuss Cindy McCains dis-inherited ignored half -sister....

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It's a little more than being "denied"; she was *"ordered to leave the U.S." *according to the A.P. article.
Also, those types of programs should *never* lead to U.S. Citizenship.

Hmmm Just what some of my ancestors said..yet.. here you are. Amazing how many immigrants and descendants of immigrants want to deny others the same option.

poenkitten

I'm amazed too.

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Or we can discuss Cindy McCains dis-inherited ignored half -sister....

          How about just firing off a special thread for that, maybe another to attack Palin, and leave this thread for a discussion of Obama's "beloved auntie" who nobody is trying to deny is both in this country illegally, and committing welfare fraud.

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Are you saying that Black people don't feel that way? I am trying to understand bringing race into this... you seem not to know any Black people.

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Are you saying that Black people don't feel that way? I am trying to understand bringing race into this... you seem not to know any Black people.

Actually, she is saying most eloquently that black people--that all people--are capable of compassion and caring for family and loved ones.  She is also saying that such compassion and caring are good things.  That she is correct is beyond disputation.

The insertion of race (which is wholly irrelevant) to this discussion came from elsewhere.