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Either you have it, and accept the bad with the good, or you don't.

Would you argue that the there is no freedom of speech in the United Kingdom?

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Are we attempting to equate minors with adults now and consider them both to be equal?

More specifially, are you going to reduce adults of other minorities down to the same level as children?

Because if not, then crimes involving childrens who aren't fully mature have more consequences then crimes involving adults.

The consequences of a crime committed against a white man by a white man and the consequences of the exact same crime commited against a black man by a white man are the same.

Children vs adults is not always the same unless you want to tell me that raping a little girl doesn't have the potential for far more severe psycholigical damage then raping a fulling developed and mentally mature woman.

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And which hate crimes are judged off motivation, it also requires the ability to read minds as some posters in this thread seem to have.

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Is it protected by Freedom of Speech, absolutely not. No matter how much you want it to be.

Could you provide facts that somehow show how this is not covered by Freedom of Speech as the judicial system currently is in this country rather than just telling me it's not?

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Honestly, it amazes me. How can a community of people who are considered almost more taboo than homosexuality in some area of the country, be so closed-minded and bigoted?

Why? Because I think the death of a man should have equal value in the eyes of the law regardless of the difference of skin color and the motivations that led to that death?

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The second being that those who believe it is are acting out of prejudice and bias, which I personally find insulting. 

Remember that this is the country where McCarthy conducted a witch hunt for thought crime with political ramifications that still exist today - where were the free speech advocates when it came to this? I cannot help but have a feeling that the balance is tilted.

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But that seems to be some people's Utopia.  a place where everyone gets along and there's no violence, no need for money, everyone equal and happy, everyone loving everyone else...

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My only comment is a simple one..

Better it is out in the open and can be addressed and guarded against, than in the dark and festering. Hatreds fuel of choice is fear, often what you fear you want to destroy. It could have just been a Halloween prank, it could be something else, I have heard shouts of "Kill Him" at McCain and Palin Rallies, have heard the opinion that Obama is Muslim, Arab, a Terrorist and a weak response from McCain.."He's a Decent Man." instead of what should have been said,  "He was born American and IS American, no matter what his parents were or what religion he chooses, that is one of our freedoms and as a Veteran I fought and will fight to protect that freedom." Frankly McCain would have earned a LOT of respect from me if he had stepped up that way instead of trying to fuel the fear.

Perhaps in the future we will know if EITHER of these effigy hangings, Palin or Obama was a prank or a Hate Crime, but we don't know now. Oddly enough college students have been hanging and burning effigies for ages, without malice..

Hmmm perhaps next year Universal should do a Presidential Election Halloween Horror Night..where you can go through a Congressional Budgetary meeting and Caucus Scare House..and Bills and Pork will jump out of the stacks as you walk through the fog of economics.


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I find it amusing that the dominant liberal media has portrayed the crime against Obama as an indicator of the racism that still exists in this country while the same crime perpetrated against Palin draws few words and certainly nothing about the crime against her having to do with prejudice against a woman. 

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I find it amusing that the dominant liberal media has portrayed the crime against Obama as an indicator of the racism that still exists in this country while the same crime perpetrated against Palin draws few words and certainly nothing about the crime against her having to do with prejudice against a woman. 

No one here is going to directly address that, CD.  Trust me.  

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I find it amusing that the dominant liberal media has portrayed the crime against Obama as an indicator of the racism that still exists in this country while the same crime perpetrated against Palin draws few words and certainly nothing about the crime against her having to do with prejudice against a woman. 

No one here is going to directly address that, CD.  Trust me.  

You could start arguing that, if you wanted to. I think the reason Palin's effigy incident hasn't been discussed at such length is because it's not representative of hatred of women and of the desire to annihilate them all. In Obama's case, however, it's another problem. Back to square one, then.

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And I cannot know for sure what the motivations was of those that burnt crosses and hung  people for real. Perhaps it wasn't anything else than a bit of fun there too?