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Regardless of motivation (hatred towards woman, blacks, gays etc) a "hate crime" is also qualified by the committing of a criminal offense---ie..assault, murder, rape, destruction of one's property etc.   I don't think effigys are considered criminal offenses.  Though I could be wrong. 

I wonder whether a good lawyer could argue that the defacement of campus (ie., private) property with an offensive hateful effigy constitutes property crime.

I guess a lawyer could try to argue anything.  I would imagine arguing to have the effigy-hanging qualify as "intimidation" might be a more likely and successful attempt to get it qualified as a hate crime; after all, the 'offense' is towards Obama,  and not really the campus property.  Unless the Univeristy decided to sue the offending students.

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Too true too. Time will tell. No offense to Mia, but I hope she's mistaken and that this isn't a sign of uglier things to come. 

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Mia - I hesitated over whether to post this thread or not. I hope that at the worst this is a stupid prank by a drunk student. I think this kind of thing should be sanctioned by the law: free speech should not mean having the right to express any violent and inhuman impulses that may lurk beneath the surface of less enlightened individuals. 

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Too true too. Time will tell. No offense to Mia, but I hope she's mistaken and that this isn't a sign of uglier things to come. 

LOL, kittin I don't wish this.
As a Black person, I can guarantee you the shit has not even started yet.
Believe that and take it to the bank.

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Marietoo are you quite sure nobody on the grounds of that school were intimidated by the sight of a black man hanging in effigy,surely the University of Kentucky has minority students amongst its student body,Another poster alluded to "young college kids" and what they"were trying to communicate" well if he is allowed to speculate a harmless message...perhaps those young people speculated as to a darker and more foreboding message contained in this act.Would you deny the possibility that a young black man or woman might have a visceral reaction to such a sight.

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Most Americans with even a small amount of education and intelligence realize
what lynchings have meant in relationship to Black people.

To even debate this, is beneath me.
I offer those that really "don't see" it or "get it" this.
I know many want to play this "game" and pretend they are ignorant.
But for the few, that really want to get a clue, you might read more about
the history of lynchings and Black people in America.

By the way, there are millions of links in relationship to lynchings, hate crimes,
and the Black experience in America.
I would even suggest reading about SLAVERY, and the conditions of Blacks and
how they were treated after slavery in America.

Without Sanctuary

http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Classroom/9912/lynchingera.html

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It is the people that don't have the education of someone in Junior High School, and claim to not know what "lynchings" symbolize is what I am enjoying.

You know... this kind of knee-jerk reaction against a shameful aspect of history happens all over the world. People don't like to be reminded of what happened in the not so distant past: the weight of shame is heavy. I wish som would shrug the shame off  and face up to the past. It's the only way to move on.

Many people are in denial about slavery, about what slavery actually is and was,
and the treatment of Black people during and after slavery.
Many people are in denial about how the jews were treated during and after WW2.
Always remember kittin, DENIAL is not just a river in Egypt.

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Well MadRabbit to achieve this utopia you dream of....would require a lack of knowledge of our own dark history where lynchings were used to intimidate...How would you propose to achiee this ignorance in the general population.

It's actually not that hard.

People just have to stop assuming they know what the meaning of a symbol is (which you don't). It's the height of arrogance and racial biast.

I find that your so ready to condemn some college kids to jail when you have no facts as to what they were trying to communicate to be even more disqusting then the symbol itself.

God help me if your ever on my jury.

MadRabbit,I believe this is the second time I have been moved to ask you to not worry about what I do and what i do not understand...believe me I know full well what the hanging of a black man in effigy means in this country.Unlike you I am under no illusion's about this country's racial history.
Denial is indeed a most convienant thing....One last point if I was sitting on a jury,I would in fact sit and listen to all the evidence presented before reaching,what in my mind would be as fair and just decision as I possibly could...but since this is merely a forum I feel no such responsibility in putting forth an opinion...even if such a jury was sitting in judgement of such a fine upstanding citizen as yourself....

Okay....so we have established that you are making claims to knowing something that you don't know.

Thank you for your continued ignorance and racial biast.

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My ancestors were oppressed by the British, who arguably tried genocide against them.

It was only a few hundred years ago, and is the direct cause of me and my family not being rich, famous and politically powerful (or at least, my father claimed that he father told him that his father said, that his grand-daddy asserted, that his granny's grandfather went through hell to survive that time ...).

Why have so many people forget the tragedy, the murder, the rapes and the deaths of my ancestors?

I deserved recompense!  I deserve reparations!  I deserve respect for the horror that my ancestors went through!

Firm

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My ancestors were oppressed by the British, who arguably tried genocide against them.

It was only a few hundred years ago, and is the direct cause of me and my family not being rich, famous and politically powerful (or at least, my father claimed that he father told him that his father said, that his grand-daddy asserted, that his granny's grandfather went through hell to survive that time ...).

Why have so many people forget the tragedy, the murder, the rapes and the deaths of my ancestors?

I deserved recompense!  I deserve reparations!  I deserve respect for the horror that my ancestors went through!

Firm

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Hey!  This is all old news. 

Halloween Decoration or Hate Crime

Looks kinda like Hillary.

I wonder if it was an early Obama supporter that put it up? 

Firm

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MadRabbit this is the second time on one thread where you have accused me of "ignorance and racial biast"...as soon as I figure out what "biast" is,I might start to feel insulted.BTW...I do believe there is a violation of TOS going on here....but I can't be sure what with the whole "biast' confusion and everything

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Your attempt at satire (I'm guessing that's what is was) just comes off as mean and cheap. 

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Regardless of motivation (hatred towards woman, blacks, gays etc) a "hate crime" is also qualified by the committing of a criminal offense---ie..assault, murder, rape, destruction of one's property etc.   I don't think effigys are considered criminal offenses.  Though I could be wrong. 

I wonder whether a good lawyer could argue that the defacement of campus (ie., private) property with an offensive hateful effigy constitutes property crime.

I guess a lawyer could try to argue anything.  I would imagine arguing to have the effigy-hanging qualify as "intimidation" might be a more likely and successful attempt to get it qualified as a hate crime; after all, the 'offense' is towards Obama,  and not really the campus property.  Unless the Univeristy decided to sue the offending students.

Marietoo are you quite sure nobody on the grounds of that school were intimidated by the sight of a black man hanging in effigy,surely the University of Kentucky has minority students amongst its student body,Another poster alluded to "young college kids" and what they"were trying to communicate" well if he is allowed to speculate a harmless message...perhaps those young people speculated as to a darker and more foreboding message contained in this act.Would you deny the possibility that a young black man or woman might have a visceral reaction to such a sight.