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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/5/2008 11:51:56 PM   
GoddessLeda


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There is actually a Kinky College, but I doubt they hand out scholarships! I heard from someone in the local BDSM community that it is terrific!

In reading over these, I am struck by the assumed link between natural dominance and technical skills. There is a host of knowledge that falls outside these two areas. First, safe words are a nice idea, but they only work for subs who are able to stay in touch with their surroundings. Some subs can easily lose the ability to speak if the play is intense; that sub will not use a safe word because she/he cannot. Thus, the Dom is ALWAYS the one who must be concerned and ultimately responsible for the sub's safety and wellbeing. When I started Topping, I didn't naturally know how to detect when a sub was in trouble. A very prominent Master trained me in watching for certain signs to ensure that the sub is okay. A competent Dom(me) will be watching the sub intensely and will detect very minute reactions. Second, I haven't read all the posts, but nobody has mentioned psychological damage. Plenty of subs want humiliation, but it can cause permanent harm. And, so on.

The bottom line here is that there is no way to certify that a Dom(me) is safe and sane. As others have said, the submissive needs to spend time with the Dom(me) and determine a) if the Dom(me) is concerned about safety and has spent time learning about safe play 2) What kind of attitude the Dom(me) has towards the subs with whom she plays when it comes to protecting their health and well-being. In addition, it helps to ask other people in the local community. I have played with subs who beg to be spared from playing with a certain Dom(me) who clearly states that she does not care what happens to a sub or how he feels about what she does.

It can be telling to ask a Dom(me) about her own limits. I certainly hit a wall recently with my own, when someone asked me to Top him using severe metal bondage equipment. I made it clear that I had to understand fully the physical and psychological effects of this equipment - which can hardly be called "toys" before I would use it on someone for an extended period of time.

Some people seem to gloss over safety, but there are risks that we may not be able to anticipate at the moment. Kevin, I think what you need to consider are the combination of the Domme's attitude AND clear evidence that she has invested in learning about safe play - from other Doms, subs/slaves, books, demos/workshops, and personal experience. No submissive should ever be shy about stopping a scene immediately if h/she feels that the Dom(me) is not playing safety or is failing to play close attention to his reactions, both physical and emotional.




















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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 3:28:44 AM   
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Of course there is Goddess Leda :)

Psycological damage, yes thats one insightful remark of yours, its a side of this where I always walked very carefully.
Instead my sessions have a quite friendly atmosphere and tone, with more emphasis on gear to get the submissive to feel all controlled that way instead.

Seminars and courses are held from Gothenburg and Toronto in the north to .....eh I dont know about south what about Sidney? ;)

Yet most go with the input they get from others in the community where they find themselves. Most of the input I gotten comes from such face to face contacts, grapewine, and anecdotes I been told.

Yet as somebody already said here: If there is no common sense from the start, no matter what course he or she have been sent to, that person still will be trouble.


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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 6:06:27 AM   
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Here locally there is SAADE, which I would assume is open to dominant women.  Not being dominant myself I do not know too much about them.

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Our "training" comes from workshops, demos, dungeons, watching, asking questions, trying it ourselves, making mistakes and learning from them, etc.  It may be tempting to make it sound and appear to be something more elaborate and meaningful than that, but it's not.
 
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We have done a lot of workshops too, from interrogation to branding safely and we always find we get a lot of women who are wanting to go down the Domme route. Workshops have a place in all of this because its important to know and understand about the dangers of S/m. CBT is a good example and can so easily go wrong in ignorant hands but can be so full on when you know what your doing.

That aside, one needs to understand that even with every tool and every bit of knowledge on how to use those tools does not make someone a dominant. They have to know it, feel it, want and crave it because thats the only way you could possibly get any enjoyment or give any real enjoyment out of this.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 7:54:31 AM   
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That aside, one needs to understand that even with every tool and every bit of knowledge on how to use those tools does not make someone a dominant. They have to know it, feel it, want and crave it because thats the only way you could possibly get any enjoyment or give any real enjoyment out of this.
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Being Dominant is an orientation. It has little or nothing to do with  BDSJM play. Play is an activity that some people involved in the lifestyle enjoy. You don't have to be Dominant to be an excellent Top. You don't have to play to be an excellent Dominant.

Nobody has yet pointed out, to my knowledge, that most BDSM play creates a flow of endorphins, or opioid like substances, in the submissive's brain. A responsible Dominant uses play for enjoyment and bonding and to meet the needs of the sub for emotional and physical contact and stimulation, but is careful not to addict the submissive to play and the opioid rush. Do Dom(me)s get high, too? Many Dom(me)s report being in Top space and feeling a rush of energy.


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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 8:45:59 AM   
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i dont understand your argument Miss. i guess im mentally incapacitated. i guess the omniscient Lady Pact is right and i guess i do have limited mental capacity, i guess i am utterly unsuitable as a candidate servant for any Domme especially the omniscient Super Intelligent Lady Pact with Her soliloquys on everything from this to everything else in this forum
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 8:49:41 AM   
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Greetings
Ma'am  have you not heard the news. According to the infallible Bible ordained by Lady Pact, i am mentally incapacitated, see earlier posts. i have limited mental ability and any self respecting Domme would give me a very wide berth when they discover that i have diminished mental capacity as i would destroy the whole community of BDSM. so that's it  and Dommes are never wrong
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 9:09:24 AM   
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Lobo --

Stop being a whiny baby. It is unbecoming.

that being said, my argument was, something is not necessarily OK if you feel it is -- look at child molestation. they feel it is OK, which it is most DEFINITELY not. If it is between two consenting adults, then yes. If one has to be coerced or forced it is not (in a shallow sort of way -- there are various forms of play which include NO as an integral part of it).

One percent is a tiny, almost negligible amount.

My argument was that, if someone cannot take the basic steps to assure their safety, then Darwinism will take over.


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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 9:13:42 AM   
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im sorry Miss. do you agree with Lady Pact's assessment of me then. its ok if you do.
Thank you Miss
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 10:25:25 AM   
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Yes, please do see the prior posts.  I think the evidence is right there to support My opinion.  Since this following post has mentioned My personal bible, I'll be happy  to go over a page.

This thread started with asking the concept about training.  I went back and looked over several of the answers here.  Many of them included words such as safety, risk, and competence.  This is all well and good.  There is not a thing wrong with attempting to access a top's play habits in this way.

However, no amount of skill or experience on the part of a top is going to change anything if the bottom is not fully capable of aware consent.  The lack of this ability could be based on a lot of different factors.  One could be mental cognitive ability of a lower capacity.  Another could be the influence of alcohol in excess.    A bottom who is altered by the very flow of endorphins as was mentioned in a prior post could also be a consideration.  Maturity, or the lack thereof to fully understand the ramifications of certain forms of play can fit this category.

I could be a great marksman with amazing accuracy.  I could learn the finer points of Dominance from the best in the world.  No matter My personal skills, if the bottom I'm playing with for whatever reason does not have the mental ability to consent, it's not going to prevent harm.

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Greetings
Ma'am  have you not heard the news. According to the infallible Bible ordained by Lady Pact, i am mentally incapacitated, see earlier posts. i have limited mental ability and any self respecting Domme would give me a very wide berth when they discover that i have diminished mental capacity as i would destroy the whole community of BDSM. so that's it  and Dommes are never wrong
kevin


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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 12:08:28 PM   
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Where do Women get their Domme training?  Jerry Springer of course where else?

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 12:15:18 PM   
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Where do Women get their Domme training?  Jerry Springer of course where else?


LOL... so cool!  I'm moving to a mobile home park... think my skills will improve? hehe  Hell... I could open a domme school right there in the shed.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 12:43:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Greetings
Ma'am  have you not heard the news. According to the infallible Bible ordained by Lady Pact, i am mentally incapacitated, see earlier posts. i have limited mental ability and any self respecting Domme would give me a very wide berth when they discover that i have diminished mental capacity as i would destroy the whole community of BDSM. so that's it  and Dommes are never wrong
kevin


Oh for idiots sake.  You seem to be doing a good enough job, proving Lady Pact correct, if she had said such things; and even if she hadn't. 

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 12:46:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Greetings
Ma'am  have you not heard the news. According to the infallible Bible ordained by Lady Pact, i am mentally incapacitated, see earlier posts. i have limited mental ability and any self respecting Domme would give me a very wide berth when they discover that i have diminished mental capacity as i would destroy the whole community of BDSM. so that's it  and Dommes are never wrong
kevin


Quit crying.

You started off another thread saying you were Mentally diminished or something. It came out of your mouth, not LP's.  Your problem is not the fact that you live in Ireland, that you think you have problems, or your self diagnosed mental issues. It's the fact that you insist on painting yourself as the martyr.

Self pity is not attractive.



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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 1:19:38 PM   
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i find it hilarious that people can make judgements about others they dont know from Adam, anyway im not bothered Lady Pact could just be a picture, a fake Domme
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 1:21:18 PM   
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Ok kids, enough.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 1:23:12 PM   
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Oh Kevin, you are only digging yourself deeper and deeper.  You have gotten a lot of attention to your threads and maybe that somehow feeds you... but sooner or later... people are just going to stop paying attention and trying to correct you or inform you and will consider all that you say and do.  Many have tried to be friendly and yet your anger, confusion or whatever it is is proving things you won't want proven if you wish to enjoy your stay here.  Stop fighting yourself and us or be prepared to deal with the ramifications of what you are saying and doing here.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 2:16:43 PM   
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well i think it s been done to death anyway, thanks everybody for the views, it has given me a very good insight into a previously unknown world to me. thank you Moderator for calling a halt , it becomes tedious when it goes on too long
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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 3:55:38 PM   
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Nope, no Kinky Academy around here. I know a few women who are training to become professional dominatrixes, and the best of those is not only a nurse by current profession, but has been accepted by Cleo DuBois (of San Fran fame) to be mentored by her.


  • I have learned techniques from individual skilled players by hands-on lessons from them.
  • I have researched safety issues online both in these fora and elsewhere online (especially the SF City Clinic, which has excellent resources and articles both of the how-to and cautionary sort).
  • I have learned by doing after careful research of this sort, with feedback from my subs. (You can't communicate, you ain't my sub.)
  • I have taken workshops at kinky gatherings from such folks as Jennifer of Libido Events, Jay Wiseman, Conrad Hodson, and John Ireland, and Max.
  • I have attended private classes taught by Lee Harrington.


And I have been coached by a dear friend and decades-experienced kinkster with respect to developing my own style of domination, as well as my own fashion style of kinky wear. (I've been involved with clothing and costume history, design, and manufacture since my teens, but black vinyl and spikes has never been my thing. So it's been interesting…and rather frustrating to be driving to the black gear by a lack of choices.)

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/6/2008 4:26:42 PM   
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Oh goody I hope I get the last word lol.
Kevin I suggest you walk away from this lifestyle.
A lot of us have some problems but BDSM will not fix them for us. We have to do that ourselves.
You are confused and I don't blame you fot that.
I really think that you need to go and see a mental health professional.
Just like in everyday life some people you come across will care and some won't.
I've met Dommes and Doms who do and some who don't care about the people they get involved with so you are quite right to be nervous of taking any step into BDSM.
What you want is security in life and it just doesn't exist.
I haven't read one word from anyone on here who is 'out to get you' but you seem to think they are. That sounds like a persecution complex to me.
We are all trying to help you. Trying to get you to understand that BDSM can be risky or it might not  be depending on the type of activity but the only person that can decide to take the risk is the individual with an individual Domme.
Be she a professional or a 'lifestyle' Domme or a top.
I've been amazed and totally appalled at the behaviour of some of the people into BDSM. But some people on this site are very very able astute people with a lot to offer. They have helped me. I hope in turn I have helped others.
Two years ago I was suicidal. I'm not even depressed anymore.
I haven't found my sub and probably never will.
That's life. You win some you lose some.

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RE: Where do Women get their Domme training - 11/7/2008 4:06:33 AM   
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were i to walk away i would be socially isolated. the last time i was socially isolated i was suicidal. i dont think my problems are too uncommon. in an increasingly individualistic world more young men are taking their own lives as they dont know how to fit in. i m not going to do that because it would destroy my parents lives for one and i couldnt hurt my parents like that i just wouldnt, they are the two people who are most important to me right now. i do admit though i need to curb my tongue. so i wont say anymore
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