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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 1:33:23 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 1:35:32 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 2:13:37 PM   
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> Porn is almost totally skewed towards men because men are, on average, much more visual and visually stimulated than are women ...

That might explain away porn but what about prostitution? I don't have any figures but I'd wager that there are tremendously more prostitutes serving men than there are serving women. Men are, in my humble opinion, so vastly more horny than women, that I don't even think women can comprehend how horny we are (and vice versa, it amazes me how women can go a day or more without orgasm). I don't know how you women do it!



Prostitution is geared towards men because of simple market values. If a man wants sex, he has to hunt, hunt, hung, buy drinks, dinner, blah, blah. Then, if he's lucky, he might get sex. If a woman wants sex she says, "I want sex." and she gets sex. Why would she pay a man to boink her when all she has to do it ask him to do it?



That's factually incorrect.

A friend of mine and I tested that theory a couple of years ago, and it turns out that men run from women who forwardly state they want sex.

I went to a bar, dressed slutty, but instead of sitting there by myself with a drink, flirting and making eye contact, I'd walk straight up to any guy I was interested in and tell him: "Hi, I'm looking for a one-night stand. Are you interested?"
Even as a 22 year old bombshell I got turned down about 50 times before I found a guy actually willing to take me up on the offer.

I've found that actually asking a guy for sex is about THE worst thing a woman can do to actually get it.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 2:28:54 PM   
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> Porn is almost totally skewed towards men because men are, on average, much more visual and visually stimulated than are women ...

That might explain away porn but what about prostitution? I don't have any figures but I'd wager that there are tremendously more prostitutes serving men than there are serving women. Men are, in my humble opinion, so vastly more horny than women, that I don't even think women can comprehend how horny we are (and vice versa, it amazes me how women can go a day or more without orgasm). I don't know how you women do it!



Prostitution is geared towards men because of simple market values. If a man wants sex, he has to hunt, hunt, hung, buy drinks, dinner, blah, blah. Then, if he's lucky, he might get sex. If a woman wants sex she says, "I want sex." and she gets sex. Why would she pay a man to boink her when all she has to do it ask him to do it?



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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 7:13:36 PM   
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I went to a bar, dressed slutty, but instead of sitting there by myself with a drink, flirting and making eye contact, I'd walk straight up to any guy I was interested in and tell him: "Hi, I'm looking for a one-night stand. Are you interested?"
Even as a 22 year old bombshell I got turned down about 50 times before I found a guy actually willing to take me up on the offer.

I've found that actually asking a guy for sex is about THE worst thing a woman can do to actually get it.


Wow! Really? When I was single and was doing the whole night clubbing thing, that is one thing I never had difficulty with. I'd flirt with him, rub up against him a little on the dance floor, and whisper in his ear if he wanted to leave for a little bump and grind off the dance floor and away we'd go. Always worked like a charm.

I would also have guys just approach me and say "wanna fuck?" and if he was cute, I'd tell my friend not to wait around and we'd be out the door.

Aaahh...those were the days.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 8:16:16 PM   
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Wow! Really? When I was single and was doing the whole night clubbing thing, that is one thing I never had difficulty with. I'd flirt with him, rub up against him a little on the dance floor, and whisper in his ear if he wanted to leave for a little bump and grind off the dance floor and away we'd go. Always worked like a charm.



Yeah, THAT works like a charm. I'm with you there, no problem finding sex that way.

Hell, sitting at the bar playing coy sometimes even was the best way.

The one thing that doesn't work though is walking up to a guy and saying 'hey, wanna have sex?' So I'm really fucking sick and tired of the endless complaint from guys that all a woman needs to do to get sex is say she wants it, because it's simple not true. When a woman does that, 99% of guys piss their pants and don't know what to do. A woman needs to act as if he's the one persuading her to want to have sex.

If there is no persuasion needed, the guys aren't interested, so they need to stop bitching that women need persuading in order to want to have sex.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 8:34:49 PM   
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Hell, I didn't need a name, age, marital status or anything...just two little words.




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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 9:43:26 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/11/2014 11:51:43 PM   
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That's factually incorrect.

A friend of mine and I tested that theory a couple of years ago, and it turns out that men run from women who forwardly state they want sex.

I went to a bar, dressed slutty, but instead of sitting there by myself with a drink, flirting and making eye contact, I'd walk straight up to any guy I was interested in and tell him: "Hi, I'm looking for a one-night stand. Are you interested?"
Even as a 22 year old bombshell I got turned down about 50 times before I found a guy actually willing to take me up on the offer.

I've found that actually asking a guy for sex is about THE worst thing a woman can do to actually get it.


The thing is that:

a) We live in the age of HIV. If a woman is dressed slutty and I don't now her and think she may be careless tramp and she walks up to me and asks for a one night stand I would likely say no. Sure, I have fantasized about it happening my friend Hairy Palm may have gone bald from the friction when I was a teen, but reality is self preservation trumps the fantasy.

b) You approached Dominant men? If you are attracted to dominant men and that is who you approached then why would you think they are attracted to a dominanat femal? They are dominant so would be attracted to submissive women. In your other post you mention that "the flirt thing" worked just fine - The flirt tells us you are interested but it lets us "think and feel" like we made the choice and we are in control.

c) Men do have performance anxiety, even dominant men. Some of us don't want a one night stand - we want the girl to keep coming back for more - proving our manliness, how good we are at sex, demonstrating out control of her, and giving us not just a physical sex object but someone to whine about our issues to... I hear - don't know from experience - that many whores with repeat customers do a lot of "conversing" with those customers.

D) Sex is an investment. Used to be men would pillage and rape in an effort to spread their seed (natural selection for men being poly) but now days i would expect a slut to be on the pill. If I am so good looking that women walk up to me and proposition me then sex is an investment and I want the girl who keeps coming back.

E) I want to use you, not be used by you.

F) Most of us don't want doormats. Some of us dominant men like women who value themselves. We want them to be the queen of the world as long as they submit and worship us. Trashy cloths and desperation to get laid imply low value...

G) The really fit and great looking men are gay. (Thank god - for the rest of us. And yes, I say things that are not politically correct and I expect some flack.)

One thing that might have worked (besides flirting) - "My hubby can't get me pregnant but I'm fertile and want to have a one night stand with you as a sperm donor." Playing on cuckolding fantasies, procreation with no cost and reducing the danger from tramp/promiscuous behavior (she usually only fucks hubby...) makes for hot sex.


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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/12/2014 2:59:03 PM   
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For me it's about control. It has been a sexy thing a dominant boyfriend might control - it was about his desire (although it was never me on him of course as I'm submissive and neither of us would want that).

I would have thought any girlfriend submissive who is into being controlled would certainly be up for it as it's the compliance to what he wants her to do which is the sexy bit of it.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/12/2014 3:10:44 PM   
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a) We live in the age of HIV.



Not saying there isn't a good reason to turn down a woman who asks you point blank for a one-night-stand.

But I'm sick of guys whining that all a woman needs to do to get sex is ask. It's not true. Asking doesn't work.

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b) You approached Dominant men?



Nope, what gave you that impression?

I approached regular vanilla guys in a the typical pickup bar.

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c) Men do have performance anxiety, even dominant men.

D) Sex is an investment.

E) I want to use you, not be used by you.

F) Most of us don't want doormats.



Fair enough, but that still doesn't negate the fact that it's simple not true that 'all a woman needs to do to get sex from a random strange man is ask'. Which is what the experiment was designed to test.

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G) The really fit and great looking men are gay.



Not in Europe. We don't do American body sizes in Europe.

And not in a hetrosexual pickup bar, where said experiment was conducted.


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One thing that might have worked (besides flirting) - "My hubby can't get me pregnant but I'm fertile and want to have a one night stand with you as a sperm donor."


Seriously dude??? You're suggesting that a good way to pick up strange guys is by asking them specifically to knock you up?
What kind of idiot would have unprotected sex with a strange woman aiming to get pregnant?

Aside from the risk for STDs, do you really think it's a turn on for most guys to envision 20 years of child support payments?

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Playing on cuckolding fantasies, procreation with no cost and reducing the danger from tramp/promiscuous behavior (she usually only fucks hubby...) makes for hot sex.



Yeah, I'm well aware on how to pick up dudes. I've never had any issue with it whatsoever as long as I use appropriate tactics (which includes NOT asking for sex). BTW, most of the tactics you suggested would have the average guy in a pickup bar run for the hills. But my capability for picking up guys wasn't the point.

The point was to disprove the constant complaint from guys that 'women play games', 'women don't say what they want', 'can get all the sex they want easily by just asking for it', 'men would love it when women tried to pick up guys the same way guys try to pick up women'.


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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/12/2014 3:19:34 PM   
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why i'm not interested in watersports?  two good reasons:

1. it's disgusting - my body wasn't meant to be your human toliet

2. not my fetish - so don't even try to force it upon me




THIS, except reverse the part about who the toilet may be, and please don't assume a closed mind or inhibitions on My part. It's just absolutely, positively, not even a little bit My thing.
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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/12/2014 4:36:25 PM   
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G) The really fit and great looking men are gay. (Thank god - for the rest of us. And yes, I say things that are not politically correct and I expect some flack.)

One thing that might have worked (besides flirting) - "My hubby can't get me pregnant but I'm fertile and want to have a one night stand with you as a sperm donor." Playing on cuckolding fantasies, procreation with no cost and reducing the danger from tramp/promiscuous behavior (she usually only fucks hubby...) makes for hot sex.




Sorry but this made me laugh so hard I almost fell off my chair. Not all fit and handsome men are gay. As for telling a man you want to get pregnant....try that with any of the men I know and they will run from you like you just set fire to them. Most men don't want any woman coming after them for child support and it doesn't matter what her excuse for getting knocked up is she can still come after you late. Most men are aware of that.

*eta* Are we supposed to be on topic at all? About the peeing thing. Don't really care one way or the other. I won't let people pee on me...I am a lady *sticks her nose up in the air* but if you want pissed on, as long as I don't have to clean it up, fine whatever.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/12/2014 7:06:43 PM   
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I can't help but noticing when I browse proflies that the vast majority of women...dom, sub, and switch place watersports in their "hate" or "hard limits" catagory. Watersports seems to be a popular fetish amongst men, including myself. I have yet to experience it however because I haven't found a girl who's also interested. Any thoughts on why this seems to be such a masculine dominated fetish? Considering it's relative safety, humiliation factor, and ease, I would think watersports would be much more popular than it seems to be.


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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/13/2014 2:16:58 PM   
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G) The really fit and great looking men are gay.



Not in Europe. We don't do American body sizes in Europe.

And not in a hetrosexual pickup bar, where said experiment was conducted.





I almost hate to ask, but do you mean in Europe you don't have the range of body sizes that we do here?


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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/13/2014 2:40:29 PM   
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G) The really fit and great looking men are gay.



Not in Europe. We don't do American body sizes in Europe.

And not in a hetrosexual pickup bar, where said experiment was conducted.





I almost hate to ask, but do you mean in Europe you don't have the range of body sizes that we do here?



Of course they do, they just have the bell curve shifted to a much lover median BMI than the US does. The average US guy has a BMI of 26.6. The average Belgian guy a BMI of 24.4. Guys in the 18-45 year old category (the ones hanging out in pickup bars) even lower than that, at 22.6.

While I definitely don't agree that all fit looking guys in the US are gay, I am going to agree that there is a greater likely hood in the US that fit looking guys are gay, than that overweight looking guys are gay. This is because gay guys are more often vain than straight guys, and non-vain guys are most often average in body size than vain guys, which in the US translates to fat and out of shape. In Europe fitness the link is less pronounced because even a non-vain guys who are perfectly average tend to have a healthy BMI and fitness level.

It's not a dictum that hold up in all cases -obviously- but the likelihood of finding a guy in a pickup bar in Belgium with a BMI over 27 is extremely small, while in the US it's common to find guys who are even much heavier than that in such places.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/13/2014 2:41:13 PM   
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Considering it's relative safety, humiliation factor, and ease, I would think watersports would be much more popular than it seems to be.



Not everyone is into humiliation. I'm not and I find watersports just as disgusting as scat. I'll have no part of either nor would I be with a man who has it in his loves/likes.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/13/2014 2:43:58 PM   
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Considering it's relative safety, humiliation factor, and ease, I would think watersports would be much more popular than it seems to be.



Not everyone is into humiliation.


Nor does everybody consider it humiliating.

I'm into humiliation, but not really into watersports, because I find it neither sexy nor humiliating.

Other than it being annoying because of the mess, it leaves me rather indifferent either way.

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/13/2014 5:39:32 PM   
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Prostitution is geared towards men because of simple market values. If a man wants sex, he has to hunt, hunt, hung, buy drinks, dinner, blah, blah. Then, if he's lucky, he might get sex. If a woman wants sex she says, "I want sex." and she gets sex. Why would she pay a man to boink her when all she has to do it ask him to do it?

Thank you for proving, once again, that bringing back years old threads does not add to the intellectual content of the discussion forums.

Here's hoping the decision on permitting necro threads to be brought back will be reversed.


Feel free to resurrect the necro thread thread to discuss this

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RE: Why aren't there more females into watersports? - 3/13/2014 5:43:02 PM   
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