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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/7/2008 4:45:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery
thats what i always thought Alexandra. in my opinion anyone who thinks a Woman has superior intelligence or is superior to a man, they are living in fantasy lead. we are equal in everything but play
kevin
Isn't this really why you started this thread? To talk of your discomfort with female dominants? In reading different opinions of yours on the boards, I've concluded that we will eventually hear your angry side as it pertains to fem doms.
This is a site dedicated to alternative relationship types. I'll explain this to you this one time: when people use superior or supremacy in a D/s relationship, they are not referring to a prejudice toward the masses; they are usually, if not always, referring to their specific relationship and situation. I rather enjoy being in a relationship with someone who knows things I don't, because that makes him interesting, and smart, and a smart submissive/obedient man is the hottest thing in the world. M

Very perceptive as usual Ma`am.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/7/2008 4:56:03 PM

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I have reason to assume that because of my unique ability I am superior to all other human beings.

But how could you be superior to all other human beings, Rule? You're not even British.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 2:06:05 AM

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i think i need to explain. i never felt Tammy Jo was flirting with me. however if i gave that impression i am sorry. i m sorry i jumped to the wrong conclusion as regards Sir Holly, i misinterpreted . sorry
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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 6:02:41 AM

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You seem to have a good head on Your shoulders. i could trust you with my life Ms Tammy Jo i would feel comfortable in bottoming. i admire the fact that Put safety up there as of paramount importance. a lot of Dommes particularly those starting off are lukewarm about this. alas it is impracticable at this point and i am only seeking friends not Dommes at this point
kevin

Thank you, Kevin.

I'm just me, the consent and safety nut. LOL. Of course once I own someone I'm sure what we do many not seem either to some outsiders such they ever be honored enough to see us interact. *wink*

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 6:06:14 AM

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TammyJo.....are you ok, Sweetie?

Me?

I'm super busy as always.

You'd think not having a job would equal lots of free time but I do have many jobs, just not a steady paycheck. Between the new fiction book I'm working on, a major book review and a constant flow of minor ones, job applications, and working on an academic book proposal plus running kinky-poly household, well, I tend to hop into Collarme then hop out after a few minutes at different points in the day and not every day either.

So if it takes me a while to respond that is normal for me. If I don't respond at all to something it's because so many posts came through since I was on that I didn't have time to go through them all or see it. It isn't personal.

If it's personal, I would respond in a non-nice way.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 6:07:49 AM

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ORIGINAL: FullfigRIMaam

You should find someone to talk to because you might have an issue or two you need to work out there lobodomslavery.
TammyJo wasn't flirting with you and SirsHolly wasn't telling you that you are going to miss this. M

Private responses are probably best done in private email...

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 10:50:35 AM

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in my life..........( aka my .02 cents worth)

My slave is my equal, although different from me. kind of like a coin, two seperate different sides, both are equal sides of the coin, but both bring something different to the whole.
I value myself, so why would I want to spend time with someone who was worthless, or less then me?
My beloved slave is one of the strongest, brightest men I have ever met. He does not submit to me out of weakness, or being less then me, he submits to me out of his free will, with dignity and love.

Thanks Umbra - I share this perspective 100%.

lobodomslavery - I don't consider myself qualified to judge the superiority/inferiority of others - we are all on a Journey, and I try to be mindful to keep Ego in check. I do make personal choices about who I want to spend time with; choices about whose energy I want to interact with and who I will let into my personal space. There are traits I admire and aspire to improve this time through, but this is purely subjective on my part. To those that have a different opinion, I respect their right to -their- opinion.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 11:52:40 AM

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it is wonderful to hear that You are not a Female supremacist and that You are humble and respectful of males
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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 3:50:34 PM

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-fast reply-
This is an awakening for me....I thought most viewed me as worthless...only to be beatened and left for sh-t. Well maybe I am speaking too rash but I have a lot of anger from the worthless asshole who treated me like I was nothing. I would love to be equal and yet cared for by man or woman. Why can't I be a girl who loves herself without someone diminishing that?

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 5:23:11 PM

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For god's sake, esherazi: that's all so wrong. Many sub males have said it takes a strong man to be a submissive man. Why would it be any different for a woman?

Self-love is your birthright. There are no "ifs" or "buts" about it.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 5:34:25 PM

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Esherazi, it takes a great deal more strength to TAKE a beating than to dish one out.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 6:46:59 PM

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thank you MsStarlett and Peon. I am just in a bad mood today. And this post just triggered me to think. All this time I have been treated like nothing. To hear someone say they are equal it is just putting a mirror in front of my face and saying..."you see you did not deserve it. why u stay so long." sorry for misbehaving in here. im just upset.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 6:55:38 PM

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not misbehaving!
everyone has feelings and the need to express them, even angry ones. and those are not necessarily bad either. they just are. only when you use them to hurt someone does it become bad.
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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 7:01:40 PM

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Look sweetie, I get where you're coming from. I've been there to. It took me a long time to stand up on my own two feet and scream "STOP IT!" A true pain slut enjoys the pain. Others just endure it. You gotta learn which one you are. If you are not getting your needs met, then you need to get out. Some, like myself, just took the abuse because we were told all our lives that this was just the way life was. Those with power over you hurt, degrade and belittle you. It's just not true. I didn't like it. When I finally found my voice, I was like a roaring lion ripping the hell out of the world that had stood outside my cage tormenting me. I will never, EVER get back in that cage. I would kill or die trying first.

But you know what? Like that old Conan movie said "That which does not kill us, makes us stronger." If you do not enjoy the way you are being treated in ANY situation, you have the power and the right to walk out and know better next time.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/8/2008 7:13:47 PM

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I'll second Manxcat and with the strongest emphasis. Please, please don't think in terms of your "misbehaving" here.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/9/2008 11:01:14 AM

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I am way better at procrastination than either of you. Why, I meant to respond to this thread before it even started!

I also have trouble with time management. I have been wanting to take a class to improve my time management skills but just can't seem to find the time for it.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/9/2008 12:40:48 PM

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I thought most viewed me as worthless...only to be beatened and left for sh-t. Well maybe I am speaking too rash but I have a lot of anger from the worthless asshole who treated me like I was nothing. I would love to be equal and yet cared for by man or woman. Why can't I be a girl who loves herself without someone diminishing that?

Your experience sounds unfortunate. Whether you think yourself wonderful or not, it is entirely up to you whom you get involved with and stay involved with.
No one has the right to treat you like shit except yourself, and accepting any kind of treatment will always be your choice. Illegal, what you described certainly is, so it's just a matter of you're choosing whether it is desirable or not, in your next relationship. This is not at all about abuse, and I believe most people here don't do this out of hate, but out of love or affection for their subs/slaves. Hope you do something about the anger that's eating you up inside though. M

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/9/2008 1:22:29 PM

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Private responses are probably best done in private email...

Just like you did here I see? I was suggesting to Lobo he might have some issues because of different posts of his I've seen in different areas. Perhaps should have left the explanation about your flirting out, but my impression stands, and was done here simply it was created by different public statements. M

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/9/2008 2:53:24 PM

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UmbraDomina:
My slave is my equal, although different from me. Kind of like a coin, two separate different sides, both are equal sides of the coin, but both bring something different to the whole. I value myself, so why would I want to spend time with someone who was worthless, or less then me? My beloved slave is one of the strongest, brightest men I have ever met. He does not submit to me out of weakness, or being less then me, he submits to me out of his free will, with dignity and love.

Here's perspective from a submissive who had a slave of his own. For this discussion, I won't delineate between submissive and slave. (Let's just say my slave was a submissive with slavish tendencies.)

Umbra's words resonate with me. I chose my slave (or rather, we chose each other) because I admired her and she admired me. We were sexually attracted to one another. We were intellectually attracted to one another. She engaged my mind, flirted in ever delicious ways, seduced my dominance, and made me continually proud to own such a vibrant, multi-faceted pet. In terms of equality as human beings, my slave was every bit my equal and in some respects more than my equal. We're talking about BDSM here so I'll underline that we were not equal in position and responsibilities. I held the reins and guided both the relationship and the slave. The slave followed, bringing many, many things that enriched us both. It sounds cliche to say this, but our relationship was very much one of equilibrium and symbiosis.

Were I ever to don a dominant's hat again, I'd look for a person of quality - someone who engages me with her intelligence, creativity, and compassion... someone who I admire. Not that surprisingly, these are some of the same qualities I look for in a domme.

As incongruent with BDSM roles and protocols as this may sound, I believe equality is a significant, critical building block in BDSM relationships. I'm not talking about equality of skills, job titles, BDSM titles, and things of this ilk. Rather, I mean equality of the heart, of desire, of intent, of effort, and of humanity and commitment.

Elan.

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RE: Do you see your sub/slave as inferior superior or e... - 11/9/2008 3:57:06 PM

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Personally speaking i see myself as an equal, who choses to take the submissive role. I dont feel it makes me less of a person, and I am able to walk away at any time.

If only She would untie me..