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AAkasha -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 12:05:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Foxer55

I have spent some time posting personals on the web with little result. What is it with women...? I send emails to women and get these off-the-wall responses.

I recenlty answered an ad at COLLERME to a woman who lives right around the corner from me based on her admitted location. What I got in return was a meaningless, incoherent reply that could be a result of drunk, high, medicated, or perhaps dyslexic. I dunno... I received a response to a Yahoo personal from a woman just this morning saying I live too far away. Huh...? We live in the same city, she's on one side, I'm on the other, its a half-hour drive. She can't be finding that many guys where she is if she's posting ads on Yahoo so what's the big deal? Its not necessary to waste time replying to an ad with meaningless responses. Who needs to read to read junk mail?

Add to this that many women write some very specific personals. The guy needs to be exaclty this and that, and exactly such and so, and must live within 5 miles. Huh...? Do they think the web is magic? Put in an order for Dreamguy and he calls? I'm realistic about it. Nothing's perfect. My personal ads, both BDSM and vanilla, ask only a few things of someone: that they be in their mid-to-late 40s and that they be appealing. I can work with the rest but I am looking for someone who's taken as good care of themselves as I have. I have a good life that took me a long time to make. I make good money. I'm in good health. I'm not 100 pounds overweight. I'm not even 10 pounds overweight. Not even 5. I'm financially protected against almost any risk. I don't think I'm anywhere near ugly. If the woman lives in Bumscrew, Idaho, I can deal with that. All I ask is she be appealing and mid-to-late 40s. That ain't much! But I get few responses and I get these rediculous replies. *scratching head*

So, what is it with women...? *scratching head more*

Foxer




The women that fit the criteria that you seek just aren't into you. I think someone else might have mentioned it; they probably are going out with younger men who have more of what they seek. Keep looking -- patience is key.

Akasha




FelinePersuasion -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 1:19:19 AM)

Giggles no willing 2 serve there's no law that you can't have both, but to me personally it's just not important that my clothes match or they're not wrinkled, unless of course it mattered for like a job interview, or meeting someone for the very first time and wanting to look positivly stunning, I don't spend a lot of time getting ready If a bath is needed I take one dry off get dressed and go. I have not ever in my adult life put much stress over making sure I match or look high fashion hehe




Padriag -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 2:39:23 AM)

This is in reply to no one in particular, just some last remarks before I move on to other things.

I was half surprised, and half not, to find this thread had gone on so long. When I left yesterday it was at 4 pages. This morning as I sit here eating breakfast before starting my day, its at 9. A lot has been said, and I find that there is not much left for me to say, just some final thoughts.

Foxer started this thread, it would seem, because he wanted to grumble about something. He's not getting the response he wants from women, he doesn't understand why, and he blames them. Looking back over the thread it appears to me that most of his questions were rhetorical, he didn't really want answers or advice, he just wanted to vent and maybe find someone who would agree with him. He did, so that much at least seems to have worked for him.

But I find most of my final thoughts on this thread aren't about Foxer at all, but various issues that have been raised in it. It is those things I'm going to comment on, consider it food for thought.

Much has been said about people's preferences, some of it very critical. The truth is anyone can have any preference they want, no matter what it is, and that's their right. If Foxer wants a woman in her mid 40's, there's nothing wrong with that. Just the other day I saw a cute 20 yr old looking for a master and her preference is that he be at least 50. Doesn't matter what you want, somewhere out there you can find it if you look long enough and with enough effort. Want a woman that wants to be treated as an object, they're out there. Want one impeccably dressed and groomed, they're out there. Want a 40 something Barbara Bach look alike... somewhere, she's out there. Anything you can imagine, its out there. The question isn't what someone wants, they can want anything they like... the question is, can they get it?

There, as the bard put it, is the rub.

Take a look at Hugh Hefner. Here's a guy who dared to dream bigger than most ever would. He wanted to spend his life taking pictures of beautiful women... naked... and make money doing it... and he did. He's 78 now, living in a mansion with three beautiful girlfriends who are all in their 20s. Most guys would give their left nut for any one of those girls, he's got three. Anything you want you can have... if you can get it. Hef knew how to get what he wanted. He knew what it took to attract those women, to get them to do what he wanted, so that he could live the life he wanted. There's a lesson about real dominance in that, something all us dominants could learn from Hef. Success is the ultimate form of dominance... because it goes beyond dominant desires, dominant fantasies, dominant personalities... and becomes dominant results, dominance applied... successfully. Hef may never pick up a whip or tie someone up... but he's more dominant than most in this "lifestyle" will ever understand.

How did he manage it? There have been books written about that, how he got to where he is. But maybe the simplest lesson is that Hef understood that to get what you want in life means knowing how to motivate people. You don't hear him grumbling about "what's up with women", ever. Ask Hef what he thinks of women... he loves them, all of them. He makes women feel good about themselves, about who they are, about what they do... even while they're taking their clothes off for him. And beautiful women from around the world have lined up to do exactly that. Hard to argue with that kind of success.

Something else about Hef, he worked at what he wanted. He was a man with a plan who wasn't afraid to put the effort into it it would take to make his dreams a reality. You can have anything you want, but you have to be able to go get it... and that's going to take some effort. There's no such thing as a lazy dom or master, but there are plenty of lazy wishful thinkers. There are those who are willing to do what it takes, whatever it takes, to get what they want out of life. They'll get it because they won't give up and they won't give in and they won't stop trying and learning until they succeed. Those are the people we end up calling winners, we admire them for it, and rightly so.

This lifestyle is incredibly diverse, there are so many options and possibilities that you can have virtually anything you can imagine... and then some. We have learned to paint or lives and relationships in a myriad of colors. But you will never explain colors to a blind man, he just won't understand. And there are none so blind, as those that refuse to see.

Thanks to all those who said such nice things about me and what I've said. Have a good week folks, I gotta go to work.




nephandi -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 4:20:18 AM)

Ok my mama is over 50 and she love to spoil herself and take care of her looks, she have just lost alot of weight and look grate, she had a nice face and a hairdo that fit her, she might not use houers a day on her looks, but she do n ot neglect it, especialy now that she have a boyfrind. [:D] men swarm her at bars, my grandmother Rest her soul, took care of her looks unthil so sick she could not and she was 80 or so when she died. Most woman care how they look, from girls of four to ancients.




FTopinMichigan -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 6:21:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: willing2serve

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That type of e-mail may appear to be polite enough, but it offers nothing more than a simple hello.



Master teaches me to keep things simple and to keep an open mind and certainly dont judge...but for the life of me, I am sitting here shaking my head. I can not find the rational in this statement....


Hi, willing2serve. Since you responded twice to my comment, I figured I might chime in my response.

Saying "hello"...is something most people do on the street, when passing a stranger or someone we know. It's what you say, when see someone you know, and keep walking. If you want to strike up a conversation, or get to know that stranger, than you say more.

Not much to that. The rational, behind my statement was to offer more about yourself, to spark an interest. "Hello" to me, is not enough. [;)]

I have found too many people that think "hello" is enough, and then they say nothing more, unless you pull it out of them. Not my interest to pull teeth, or draw someone out. My previous post explained my view as well, but I guess you missed that.

K




MHOO314 -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 6:40:17 AM)

a standing ovation----marvelously stated--




FTopinMichigan -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 7:01:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Foxer55
I find this incredibly juvenile. What the Dom or Domme is doing, as I see it, is demanding the sub explain their sexual interests so the Dom or Domme do not have to do any work and can manipulate the sub before any meeting to find out who and what the sub is about. For all anybody knows its a scared "girl" trying to explore her sexuality. My approach is to find out who they are personally and then when I understand that I will advise them of what I expect. We can work from that juncture. No need to push it.


Juvenile? [sm=lol.gif]

Demanding? [sm=lol.gif]

My own profile "requests" a thorough introduction. I do not feel it is juvenile to expect an introductory e-mail, from a man that at least provides his name, and a little about himself. (Pet peeve...most men don't sign their names.)

What THIS woman is doing, by asking for an "introduction" has nothing to do with a request to know someone's sexual interests. In fact, it's "totally" the opposite. I want to know who the "man" is, not the "sub." I could care less to hear all about his "I want" list, and what to know who HE is.

If you were to truly have interest in finding out "who" she was "personally," than you would offer her the same information about yourself, that would enjoy hearing from her. It's called two way communication.

Based on some of what you have posted, you do appear to be fixated on the sexual issues, over the person (lady) herself.

I don't want the "do me" listing, and even when it's given, the thought of being manipulative to that list is beyond my understanding. That type of laundry list, when submitted, is more the sub working to manipulate the Dom/me, IMO.

My guess would be that women are able to see some of what you're like, via your communications with them. Regarding the rejections (or non response), you might consider that it is an issue not upon ALL women, but on you.

It's interesting how some rants have a zillion threads of their own. This thread has offered much about the OP.

One thing to consider, for anyone posting in the Message Forum...when you post here, others may view your posts, and pick up on your personality, and manner. If they get that simple "hello" email, and then come here to view...well, your "views"...they might run in the opposite direction if they don't like what they read.

Posts here can be VERY revealing.

K




Foxer55 -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 7:42:49 AM)

While I'd love to continue this a bit and spar with some here, I've a busy week out of town and its time to get ready for launch. Thanks to all who ventured into this thread and made their opinions known, even the critical ones.

I'll certainly be thinking of some of your posts here as I drive north for the Holiday. I'm a bit vexed by the number of angry and defensive posts to come out of this but the world is what it is. Peer discussions can be testy but rational exchange with a little humor will always yield more productive results. Nevertheless, this was an enlightening exercise.

Thanks.

Foxer





truesub4u -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 8:57:20 AM)

Once again Padriag, you said it best yet again.

Damn fine reading there. And oh so right about Hef.




willing2serve -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 9:48:37 AM)

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Not much to that. The rational, behind my statement was to offer more about yourself, to spark an interest. "Hello" to me, is not enough.



First let me say, "hello" FT...smile

Respectfully, Let's agree to disagree on introductions.

Just like everything else in life all have choices and if someone has on their profile send indepth information and i was interested, i would choose or not to choose to follow their wishes.

For me a simple hello is just opening tbe door ...

I do agree if you have to pull someone along after the hello....then you most probably would have to pull the along in the whole relationship (not something people enjoy doing)

I just think hello opens the door instead of busting through it unless someone specifically asked for that approach.

I wish you all the success...however you define it.

BTs willing




veronicaofML -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 9:53:06 AM)

FOXER/

since you are...somewhat younger than I am/// let me help you.
everyone...needs respect.

i have gone through this thread...and from what "I" see here.......i see little if any...respect for others...coming from you.

i hope when you reach your 50's like i have........you find some way to mellow out.

i TRY..................to show SOME respect for MOST everyone.
a few i have trouble with,....since i know a certain few have deliberately attacked me..here n there......
but the most are nice folks here.

i hope you learn how to become more human.....

and since i doubt you know me..
i used to be..... lonewolf.........


take care




MHOO314 -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 9:56:58 AM)

than heavens veronica, I thought you had disappeared! what a thoughtful post, grab the martinis dear and lets chat--smiles




willing2serve -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 10:15:14 AM)

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There's no such thing as a lazy dom or master, but there are plenty of lazy wishful thinkers. There are those who are willing to do what it takes, whatever it takes, to get what they want out of life.


Hello Padriag, geographically we are neighbors...howdy..[:D]

I loved your words in your post.

I do however think the aforementioned statement doesnt just relate to Doms or Masters but to all people.

You also mentioned there are books out their to teach you what you want...You are so correct....Have you been talking to my Master? (big smile).

I am a well-educated person but I truly dont like to read...my Master is a firm believer in feeding the mind, so he has me on a reading program....Reading at the moment "Your Best Life Now"...dont even get to read the good books with pictures of bondage and play..smile...

Anyway.. ive rambled enough. I did enjoy your words. Thank you.

Respectfully
BTs willing





AbstractSavant -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 11:12:33 AM)

My take on your profile?

I want a man with a personality, not just a wardrobe.




willing2serve -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 11:52:32 AM)

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But I find most of my final thoughts on this thread aren't about Foxer at all, but various issues that have been raised in it.


Padriag,

This statement has plagued my mind this morning...so, I had to come back and comment...

You are so correct.. This thread totally came off the original theme and i was guilty myself in fueling and adding to various items.

Just many subjects that came to light are passions and a pet peeves of mine.

I never intended, if i did, to offend anyone with my opinions and being on my soap box. If anyone feels offended by my words, my sincerest apologies are extended. We all deserve respect, to give and to get.

BTs willing




FTopinMichigan -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 1:58:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willing2serve

First let me say, "hello" FT...smile

Respectfully, Let's agree to disagree on introductions.


"Hello," willing! [:D]
I guess "hello" is better than some of the alternatives I've received over the years. [sm=lol.gif] Differing perspectives are probably coming from our experiences, and the outcome based on those "hello" notes. Sounds like yours have been mostly positive.

I always start with that "hello" by the way. [;)]

K




Chaingang -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 1:58:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha
The women that fit the criteria that you seek just aren't into you. I think someone else might have mentioned it; they probably are going out with younger men who have more of what they seek.


Non sequitur...

His criteria are fine, he's just not getting the responses he is after. He's not looking for substantially younger women than himself, he's looking for a range within 10-15 years of himself - which in my view is no big deal. I took that to mean he wants people of his own approximate age. I suggested he open up his criteria to both younger and older women so that he might thereby increase his opportunities.

Your reply reads like some canned TV sitcom quote or something - but the facts do not match your statement in my view. Maybe you could think for yourself next time?




IrishMist -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 1:59:54 PM)

I took no offense Willing, in fact...you did very well at changing my incoming anger to laughter with the Burger King remark lol...

But seriously...yes, this started out as a question...turned into a flame war...but at the same time, I too have seen several topics come up that have been answered quite honestly...I have not continued to follow this thread because of what's his name...but rather because of some of the other topics that have come up.

/shrug




windchymes -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 2:01:21 PM)

Great post, Padriag (as always), but you forgot one teesny little issue that just might make Hugh Hefner a teensy bit more attractive to the 20 yr olds he, um, pays?, to be his girlfriends.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

chymes




FTopinMichigan -> RE: What Is It With Women...? (12/19/2005 2:05:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

But seriously...yes, this started out as a question...turned into a flame war...


Wow..."this" thread was a flame war? I'm gonna have to look up what a flame war is again, if this was it.

K




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