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GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Some of you really smart people please explain American democracy to me (11/9/2008 5:52:42 PM)
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ORIGINAL: HagiaSophia
As for redistribution of wealth - every single exchange of goods and capital is a "redistribution of wealth". All taxes are redistributed wealth. We collectively and voluntarily collect taxes and we, the people, spend that money on our military, our interstate infrastucture, and our national pursuits like NASA ( a few asides on national agendas - California has a better stem cell program than the Feds, we have no plans to build a new space shuttle, and China is about to pants us in space). All that redistributed wealth creates jobs. That's how we got out of the Depression, we spent our tax dollars at home.
It is so easy to jusitfy this terminology by so many.
I must disagree with your assessment that every exchange of goods and capital is a redistribution of wealth. Technically you could be considered to be correct in a very broad sense. However, it is *voluntary* to determine where I prefer to spend. And if I am exchanging like for like, whether it is something that I need or something that I want, then I am exchanging rather than redistributing. I earned the money and I can exchange that countrywide exchange medium for what I want or need. I am not working and then going home and living for free (having my needs met with no further obligation on my part) in this country the same as everyone else who works or doesn't. I have more or I have less depending on what I can earn and how I exchange those earnings.
When redistribution of wealth is being discussed in the current context, it is about equalizing by taking from those who have more to supposedly give it back to those who have less. And it is all a pretty sounding fallacy in My opinion.
I have to also question how we are collectively and "voluntarily" collecting taxes when we all have the threat of the IRS breathing down our necks. I challenge anyone to find a regular wage paying job that will give you the choice of paying your income taxes "voluntarily" or *permitting* your employer to deduct them from your regular paycheck. Do we really have a choice? We are so whipped by this system, we no longer give this a second thought. We just shrug and want to know what it is we get to "take home",
Finally...none of our taxes are going to pay for our military, federal infrastructures or national pursuits such as NASA. This is what is happening....
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1. If we don't pay the income tax how would the country function? The answer to this question is very simple - the income tax revenue does not go towards running the country. On January 15, 1984, the Grace Commission, which is a private sector committee impaneled by President Ronald Regan to find ways to cut government spending found the following: "With two-thirds of everyone's personal income taxes wasted or not collected, 100 percent of what is collected is absorbed solely by interest on the federal debt - all individual income tax revenues are gone before one dime is spent on the service taxpayers expect from government." This money actually goes to pay interest on our federal debt. The federal debt is paid to the Federal Reserve, which is not a part of the government but is a privately owned non-auditable banking cartel. To make it plain, your hard earned money is paid to the Federal Reserve to maintain control over your lives and the lives of countless other human beings on this earth. You can find several Internet sites that clock the federal debt as it rises per second. We currently pay the Federal Reserve over 36 million dollars per hour in interest. Obviously this money isn't going to current owners, but is being put in trust for children that are not even born yet - while you slave away trying to make ends meet.
In addition, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Beardsley Ruml, addressed the American Bar Association during the last year of World War II. The title of his speech was "Taxes for Revenue are Obsolete."
We create new debt to fund all the necessary (and unecessary) federal programs, while attempting and failing to pay off the oldest debt owed to the Federal Reserve. And please make special note that this is not a federal agency. It is a non-auditable, private banking cartel.
Source: http://sherrypeeljackson.com/ (a former IRS agent) and there are plenty more sources.
I have been more than concerned for several years already. I do not see the next four coming up with any potential for improvement. But I will sit back and see what happens.
My take? It will be business as usual in D.C.
Edited for two typos and to add that one final thought.
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