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Lordandmaster -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 2:28:55 PM)
Which 150 years of American history are you talking about? If you mean the LAST 150 years of American history, you're completely off-base. Have you ever been to the United States, by the way? We abolished slavery in the nineteenth century, you know. quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent we've had 40 years of a sizeable black contingent and I'm willing to bet that far greater strides have been made in that time in England than were made in 150 years of United States history.

NorthernGent -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 3:08:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster If you mean the LAST 150 years of American history, you're completely off-base. Why's that, then? quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster We abolished slavery in the nineteenth century, you know. Yes, LaM, news has filtered through. You've had more recent problems.

RealityLicks -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 3:18:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: colouredin quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks In fact, racist attitudes are more likely to be found in areas where there are very few black people, not those with more. London is 25% BME and while discrimination has not vanished, there is seldom any racial antagonism especially when you think of the immense opportunity for it. It's the middle englanders who never see a black face and are perhaps most ignorant about them that tend to have the problem. Edit: London also has PR, hence the presence of a BNP arsewipe on the London Assembly. Personal expriance leads me to not agree with this, I come from a small mostly white (one black kid in school) area, the aforementioned black kid was one of the most popular in school and I had no awareness of racism until i moved to a city, cardiff actually, and then suddenly i started noticing it far more. Has it ever occured to you that the personal experience which is relevant here (if anything can be concluded from one isolated anecdote) is not yours but that of the single black child in your school? You can't speak for them. Unless you were with them 24 hours a day, you have no idea whether they experienced racism and that's what concerns me. Just as the first black England footballers got hassled by the crowds, today's ubiquity of black players make such attitudes a nonsense. Are you saying it would be better to turn the clock back? There's nothing intrinsically wrong with a black child growing up in isolated circumstances, the problem comes in when you ask if there were 10, 20 or 100 more black kids there, would they all be as blissfully welcomed as your friend clearly was? If that presents a problem, the fault is with the racists not the number of black kids in the school -- and an underlying assumption to your argument is the old trope that "black people shouldn't congregate because it makes white people nervous". In terms of whether a black PM would get elected, I wonder if their chances would be helped or hindered if the overall number of black MPs went up? PS At school, I had a friend we used to shoot in the arse with an air pistol and call "Ginger" and he loved it, therefore all red-haired people would benefit from the exact same treatment.

RealityLicks -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 3:23:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver He can correct me if I'm putting words into his mouth but I think he could be referring to the high% of Morrocan youths that get into trouble with the law. There used to be ganfgs of them in town that used to snort at white girls as they walked past in Rotterdam and call them pigs and whores and when the police would arrive they would make claims the police were racist. Several gangs were caught having abducted white girls and subjecting them to gang rape for several days. How do I know this? I lived there at the time and I couldn't let my daughter go anywhere by herself. And there was plenty of jobs at the time so they were unemployed because they wanted to be. It seemed they thought menial work was beneath them. That might be a generalisation but there were enough youths that seemed to be involved. Then, a couple of muslim youths were banned from school for calling the teacher a filthy white whore and threatening to rape her. This was not muslims per se, it was Morrocans. It doesn't take too many abductions to terrorise ordinary women and have their men folk demanding something should be done or they'll do it themselves. This is the biggest load of bollocks I've read about this to date and I refuse to dignify it with any further response.

stella41b -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 3:51:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Which 150 years of American history are you talking about? If you mean the LAST 150 years of American history, you're completely off-base. Have you ever been to the United States, by the way? We abolished slavery in the nineteenth century, you know. So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it?

Politesub53 -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 4:23:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Right, and one of the indispensable requirements of membership in the upper class was having a white mother and father. This shows a complete lack of understanding of the class system in the UK. If you are white and not from the right social strata, you will never be accepted as upper class. Class is based on nobility, and the middle classes sprang up as the Victorian well to do, tried to copy the Lords and Ladies of the time. Incidentally Charlotte, Queen of George III was descended from Portuguese/African Royalty. You don`t get much higher up the class ladder here than the Queen of England.

MadAxeman -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 8:17:21 PM)
Don't you just love being English? We rawk.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 9:59:29 PM)
Wow, one thing I'm learning about this thread is that the English have a hard time understanding English. You know that all elephants are mammals but not all mammals are elephants, right? Well, "one of the indispensable requirements for membership in the upper class is having a white mother and father" means that all members of the upper class are whites, but not all whites are members of the upper class. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Right, and one of the indispensable requirements of membership in the upper class was having a white mother and father. This shows a complete lack of understanding of the class system in the UK. If you are white and not from the right social strata, you will never be accepted as upper class.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 10:08:23 PM)
Ole Miss refers to the University of Mississippi. Are you talking about the race riot in 1962? That was nearly 50 years ago. Were you even alive in 1962? Look, I'll be the first to admit that the U.S. has had profound racial problems from its founding to the present day. But when Europeans pretend that race relations are better in THEIR countries, I just have to laugh. I know Europe well. quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it?

NorthernGent -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 11:06:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Ole Miss refers to the University of Mississippi. Are you talking about the race riot in 1962? That was nearly 50 years ago. Were you even alive in 1962? Look, I'll be the first to admit that the U.S. has had profound racial problems from its founding to the present day. But when Europeans pretend that race relations are better in THEIR countries, I just have to laugh. I know Europe well. quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it? Europe is of no consequence here. I believe England, or Britain, is the topic at hand. If you consider that England was a white, conservative nation upto the 1960s, then you could say we've done a decent job to get to where we are in the space of 40/50 years; and if you accept that unreasonable disagreements are a part of human co-existence, then we do a pretty good job of keeping a lid on it. Perhaps you need to re-acquaint yourself with England, LaM, as your comments suggest you're not an authority on the matter.

meatcleaver -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 11:56:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver He can correct me if I'm putting words into his mouth but I think he could be referring to the high% of Morrocan youths that get into trouble with the law. There used to be ganfgs of them in town that used to snort at white girls as they walked past in Rotterdam and call them pigs and whores and when the police would arrive they would make claims the police were racist. Several gangs were caught having abducted white girls and subjecting them to gang rape for several days. How do I know this? I lived there at the time and I couldn't let my daughter go anywhere by herself. And there was plenty of jobs at the time so they were unemployed because they wanted to be. It seemed they thought menial work was beneath them. That might be a generalisation but there were enough youths that seemed to be involved. Then, a couple of muslim youths were banned from school for calling the teacher a filthy white whore and threatening to rape her. This was not muslims per se, it was Morrocans. It doesn't take too many abductions to terrorise ordinary women and have their men folk demanding something should be done or they'll do it themselves. This is the biggest load of bollocks I've read about this to date and I refuse to dignify it with any further response. Then you know nothing about what was feeding much of the concern and paranoia in Holland so you would be better shutting up until you are better informed.

RCdc -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 11:58:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Wow, one thing I'm learning about this thread is that the English have a hard time understanding English. You know that all elephants are mammals but not all mammals are elephants, right? Well, "one of the indispensable requirements for membership in the upper class is having a white mother and father" means that all members of the upper class are whites, but not all whites are members of the upper class. And politeone was correct, you have no idea how the class system works as there are certainly non white 'upper class'. Colour and ethnic background have absolutely nothing to do with class structure. the.dark.

meatcleaver -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/11/2008 11:59:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NorthernGent quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Ole Miss refers to the University of Mississippi. Are you talking about the race riot in 1962? That was nearly 50 years ago. Were you even alive in 1962? Look, I'll be the first to admit that the U.S. has had profound racial problems from its founding to the present day. But when Europeans pretend that race relations are better in THEIR countries, I just have to laugh. I know Europe well. quote: ORIGINAL: stella41b So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it? Europe is of no consequence here. I believe England, or Britain, is the topic at hand. If you consider that England was a white, conservative nation upto the 1960s, then you could say we've done a decent job to get to where we are in the space of 40/50 years; and if you accept that unreasonable disagreements are a part of human co-existence, then we do a pretty good job of keeping a lid on it. Perhaps you need to re-acquaint yourself with England, LaM, as your comments suggest you're not an authority on the matter. Britain has just as profound racial problems as other European countries with former empires and with smaller none white populations than other old empire countries. Though I have to admit, Obama must be the most unthreatening black man in the western hemisphere and doesn't seem to have any plans to help blacks in the ghettoes other than being a symbol.

colouredin -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/12/2008 12:18:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: colouredin [Personal expriance leads me to not agree with this, I come from a small mostly white (one black kid in school) area, the aforementioned black kid was one of the most popular in school and I had no awareness of racism until i moved to a city, cardiff actually, and then suddenly i started noticing it far more. Has it ever occured to you that the personal experience which is relevant here (if anything can be concluded from one isolated anecdote) is not yours but that of the single black child in your school? You can't speak for them. and an underlying assumption to your argument is the old trope that "black people shouldn't congregate because it makes white people nervous". Well i dont know whether my experiance was or wasnt relevent, i was taling less about the black kid more about your assumption of ignornat middle english folk. Also no my arguement didnt have the underlying argument that black people shouldnt congregate I have no issue with groups of anything. I do have issue with large groups 'congregating' purely due to the colour of their shin, or theirgender or anything like that really. I remember after the shakespear killings ms dynamite did a concert in which she proclaimed "black brothers and sisters we must stand together" I really didnt get that, surely we should al have stood together, the seperation of a group, the assumption that only people of that group 'gets' it is just another way to breed bigotry, and is racisit in itself. I have no clue the percentage of black people in the country nor how many are in parliment, my assertation isnt that we SHOULD have a black PM just that i dont think that we couldnt have one.

tweedydaddy -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/12/2008 12:35:26 AM)
I don't care if the Prime Minister is black, white, or orange, I will vote for anybody who will take a stand for personal liberty. Every day, in every way, this corrupt shower are eroding all our rights.

JustDarkness -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/12/2008 4:14:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: RealityLicks quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver He can correct me if I'm putting words into his mouth but I think he could be referring to the high% of Morrocan youths that get into trouble with the law. There used to be ganfgs of them in town that used to snort at white girls as they walked past in Rotterdam and call them pigs and whores and when the police would arrive they would make claims the police were racist. Several gangs were caught having abducted white girls and subjecting them to gang rape for several days. How do I know this? I lived there at the time and I couldn't let my daughter go anywhere by herself. And there was plenty of jobs at the time so they were unemployed because they wanted to be. It seemed they thought menial work was beneath them. That might be a generalisation but there were enough youths that seemed to be involved. Then, a couple of muslim youths were banned from school for calling the teacher a filthy white whore and threatening to rape her. This was not muslims per se, it was Morrocans. It doesn't take too many abductions to terrorise ordinary women and have their men folk demanding something should be done or they'll do it themselves. This is the biggest load of bollocks I've read about this to date and I refuse to dignify it with any further response. Then you know nothing about what was feeding much of the concern and paranoia in Holland so you would be better shutting up until you are better informed. Sadly you are just righ meatcleaver.

candystripper -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/12/2008 4:30:16 AM)
I really don't know a whole lot about politics in GB. You guys had a woman as PM, something that the U.S. is not prepared to handlle, IMO. We coudn't get Leiberman's career off the ground as a Dem candidate for POTUS because he was -- gasp! -- a Jew. I understand in France, there's a large middle eastern community of folks who are recent immigrants. Here in the U.S. some states, like Florida, New York and Texas are predominately populated by folks who just emigrated. I don't know what will happen. I don't think there's ever been a time in the history of mankind that folks have moved around so much. I've been to London on business (boring insurance stuff) and was surprised there were so many Blacks in business there. In the U.S., back in the day, it would have been shocking to find a CEO of an insurance company who was African-American. I suppose people will cling to their beliefs about what your PM should look like until some other folks 'crowd them out'. Do you have a big community of Black folks in GB? I love the non-U.S. posters on this board. I'm fascinated by what goes on in other parts of the world, but I have trouble just staying abreast of wht's happening in the U.S. Peace out candystripper [sm=pole.gif]

Lordandmaster -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/12/2008 7:22:41 PM)
Since when? Maybe 1980? I'm still waiting to learn about the connection between "wog" and "babu." If you're claiming that the word "wog" has nothing to do with color or race, we're not going to be able to agree on much. quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark And politeone was correct, you have no idea how the class system works as there are certainly non white 'upper class'.

meatcleaver -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/13/2008 12:26:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster Since when? Maybe 1980? I'm still waiting to learn about the connection between "wog" and "babu." If you're claiming that the word "wog" has nothing to do with color or race, we're not going to be able to agree on much. quote: ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark And politeone was correct, you have no idea how the class system works as there are certainly non white 'upper class'. You know it was to do with colour but I'm fifty and I've never heard it used in a real situation or at least, I can't ever remember it being used but maybe I've had a sheltered upbringing. I've never ever heard the word babu before, that is a new one to me. But as with all racial issues, Britian imported political correctness from the US so language and attitude is not a good indicator of how someone feels about race.

RCdc -> RE: Can Britian have a black PM? (11/13/2008 4:49:39 AM)
Both words were used to distinquish between the classes of the servants. Yes they were evolved over many years just like any word, but the original meaning was to distinquish the class of servant, during Africa and India. the.dark.

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