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ORIGINAL: NorthernGent

we've had 40 years of a sizeable black contingent and I'm willing to bet that far greater strides have been made in that time in England than were made in 150 years of United States history.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

If you mean the LAST 150 years of American history, you're completely off-base.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

We abolished slavery in the nineteenth century, you know.

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ORIGINAL: RealityLicks

In fact, racist attitudes are more likely to be found in areas where there are very few black people, not those with more.  London is 25% BME and while discrimination has not vanished, there is seldom any racial antagonism especially when you think of the immense opportunity for it.  It's the middle englanders who never see a black face and are perhaps most ignorant about them that tend to have the problem.

Edit:  London also has PR, hence the presence of a BNP arsewipe on the London Assembly.

Personal expriance leads me to not agree with this, I come from a small mostly white (one black kid in school) area, the aforementioned black kid was one of the most popular in school and I had no awareness of racism until i moved to a city, cardiff actually, and then suddenly i started noticing it far more.

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
He can correct me if I'm putting words into his mouth but I think he could be referring to the high% of Morrocan youths that get into trouble with the law. There used to be ganfgs of them in town that used to snort at white girls as they walked past in Rotterdam and call them pigs and whores and when the police would arrive they would make claims the police were racist. Several gangs were caught having abducted white girls and subjecting them to gang rape for several days. How do I know this? I lived there at the time and I couldn't let my daughter go anywhere by herself. And there was plenty of jobs at the time so they were unemployed because they wanted to be. It seemed they thought menial work was beneath them. That might be a generalisation but there were enough youths that seemed to be involved. Then, a couple of muslim youths were banned from school for calling the teacher a filthy white whore and threatening to rape her. This was not muslims per se, it was Morrocans. It doesn't take too many abductions to terrorise ordinary women and have their men folk demanding something should be done or they'll do it themselves.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Which 150 years of American history are you talking about? If you mean the LAST 150 years of American history, you're completely off-base.

Have you ever been to the United States, by the way? We abolished slavery in the nineteenth century, you know.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Right, and one of the indispensable requirements of membership in the upper class was having a white mother and father. 

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Right, and one of the indispensable requirements of membership in the upper class was having a white mother and father. 

This shows a complete lack of understanding of the class system in the UK. If you are white and not from the right social strata, you will never be accepted as upper class.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it?

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Ole Miss refers to the University of Mississippi.  Are you talking about the race riot in 1962?  That was nearly 50 years ago.  Were you even alive in 1962?

Look, I'll be the first to admit that the U.S. has had profound racial problems from its founding to the present day.  But when Europeans pretend that race relations are better in THEIR countries, I just have to laugh.  I know Europe well.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it?

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
He can correct me if I'm putting words into his mouth but I think he could be referring to the high% of Morrocan youths that get into trouble with the law. There used to be ganfgs of them in town that used to snort at white girls as they walked past in Rotterdam and call them pigs and whores and when the police would arrive they would make claims the police were racist. Several gangs were caught having abducted white girls and subjecting them to gang rape for several days. How do I know this? I lived there at the time and I couldn't let my daughter go anywhere by herself. And there was plenty of jobs at the time so they were unemployed because they wanted to be. It seemed they thought menial work was beneath them. That might be a generalisation but there were enough youths that seemed to be involved. Then, a couple of muslim youths were banned from school for calling the teacher a filthy white whore and threatening to rape her. This was not muslims per se, it was Morrocans. It doesn't take too many abductions to terrorise ordinary women and have their men folk demanding something should be done or they'll do it themselves.

This is the biggest load of bollocks I've read about this to date and I refuse to dignify it with any further response.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Wow, one thing I'm learning about this thread is that the English have a hard time understanding English.

You know that all elephants are mammals but not all mammals are elephants, right?

Well, "one of the indispensable requirements for membership in the upper class is having a white mother and father" means that all members of the upper class are whites, but not all whites are members of the upper class.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Ole Miss refers to the University of Mississippi.  Are you talking about the race riot in 1962?  That was nearly 50 years ago.  Were you even alive in 1962?

Look, I'll be the first to admit that the U.S. has had profound racial problems from its founding to the present day.  But when Europeans pretend that race relations are better in THEIR countries, I just have to laugh.  I know Europe well.

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ORIGINAL: stella41b

So what about 'Ole Miss'? What was that all about? And when was it?

Europe is of no consequence here. I believe England, or Britain, is the topic at hand.

If you consider that England was a white, conservative nation upto the 1960s, then you could say we've done a decent job to get to where we are in the space of 40/50 years; and if you accept that unreasonable disagreements are a part of human co-existence, then we do a pretty good job of keeping a lid on it.

Perhaps you need to re-acquaint yourself with England, LaM, as your comments suggest you're not an authority on the matter.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

[Personal expriance leads me to not agree with this, I come from a small mostly white (one black kid in school) area, the aforementioned black kid was one of the most popular in school and I had no awareness of racism until i moved to a city, cardiff actually, and then suddenly i started noticing it far more.

Has it ever occured to you that the personal experience which is relevant here (if anything can be concluded from one isolated anecdote) is not yours but that of the single black child in your school?  You can't speak for them. 

and an underlying assumption to your argument is the old trope that "black people shouldn't congregate because it makes white people nervous".

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver
He can correct me if I'm putting words into his mouth but I think he could be referring to the high% of Morrocan youths that get into trouble with the law. There used to be ganfgs of them in town that used to snort at white girls as they walked past in Rotterdam and call them pigs and whores and when the police would arrive they would make claims the police were racist. Several gangs were caught having abducted white girls and subjecting them to gang rape for several days. How do I know this? I lived there at the time and I couldn't let my daughter go anywhere by herself. And there was plenty of jobs at the time so they were unemployed because they wanted to be. It seemed they thought menial work was beneath them. That might be a generalisation but there were enough youths that seemed to be involved. Then, a couple of muslim youths were banned from school for calling the teacher a filthy white whore and threatening to rape her. This was not muslims per se, it was Morrocans. It doesn't take too many abductions to terrorise ordinary women and have their men folk demanding something should be done or they'll do it themselves.

This is the biggest load of bollocks I've read about this to date and I refuse to dignify it with any further response.

Then you know nothing about what was feeding much of the concern and paranoia in Holland so you would be better shutting up until you are better informed.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

And politeone was correct, you have no idea how the class system works as there are certainly non white 'upper class'.

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Since when?  Maybe 1980?

I'm still waiting to learn about the connection between "wog" and "babu."  If you're claiming that the word "wog" has nothing to do with color or race, we're not going to be able to agree on much.

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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark

And politeone was correct, you have no idea how the class system works as there are certainly non white 'upper class'.