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stella41b -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 4:35:37 PM)
I think it's perhaps telling that all of a sudden since Obama won race has become a big issue. I agree with Sundowner that race is less of a problem here in the United Kingdom than it appears to be in the United States. I recently had this issue to deal with myself in the theatre. Last week I held a casting among professional actresses for a role in one of my plays 'Switch' and over 20 actresses turned up, one of whom was black. These women turned up to a pub and were given a copy of the play to read on the spot and then they had to give their interpretation. As the turn out was so good I decided to start a new production. Two of the actresses stood out by a mile and one of them was the black actress. I gave the role to the white actress and cast the black actress in the leading role in the second play. My only criteria was how they interpreted the play. When I look at someone first and foremost I see a human being and a gender they're presenting themselves as and this is what I accept. Nothing else matters, nothing. Okay, so PE Obama broke through a cultural stereotype but the way I see it he won the election on the strengths of his merits as a politician and his ability to inspire hope and confidence in enough people to elect him, much in the same way as Tony Blair did when he became the first Scottish PM in the UK. These discussions on these boards appear to be focussing on racial integration between white and black people but let us not forget that many non-white people such as the black community and the Asian community still face prejudice and oppression from within their own communities and this too is something which takes years and even generations to overcome and to break down their own cultural stereotypes. I can see this happening in London and for the first time young black people are increasingly rejecting the negative stereotypes and prejudices of their parents and the church and refusing to see race in terms of skin colour but in a more realistic perspective, i.e. that they are part one one race - the human race.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 4:42:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u If I might my own very personal feelings concerning Tuesday night.I am a child of the 60's grew up watching the Civil rights movement,early memories of fire hoses and police dogs.Parents were of the "white flite" generation.Argued with my father concerning his use on the n****r word,complained he was doing harm to my baby sister who adored him(by this time in life my own opinion was my father was an asshole,so his opinions meant less than nothing to me)Fast forward 40 years,father long since dead ,my own son a junior at NYU and an Obama volunteer.Watched the election returns with my almost 70 year old mother,when CNN called it eyes started watering.Watched the crowd at Grant Park,the very much diverse crowd of supporters at Grant Park.Oprah crying on a mans shoulders ,a man we later found out she had never previously met,Jesse Jackson(not a big fan of Jesse,but what the hell he marched with Dr.King)crying his eyes out.And than Obama came out and made his acceptance speech and we were bawling,including my 70 y/o mother she of the white flite generation.And hope once more has come to America. Didn't vote for him because he is black(by the way BestBaby,that is his decision,it is called self identifying ,and you nor anyone else has the right to correct or criticize his decision).Voted for the best man for the job...and it was IMO he.But to deny that this is a big thing is to bury ones head in the sand.40 years after Memphis a segment of our nation has to a large degree just realised the promise that starts with "We hold these truths to be self evident".I have allways been proud to be American,I believe we as a nation have a rich and glorious history,but we also have dark and sinister blots on that history,Tuesday night in numbers that spoke volumes ,for whatever reasons each voter used America ,elected a black man to its highest office.For this we can all be proud whether black or white,Republican or Democrat a McCain voter or one who cast his vote for Obama.We all own this now ,he is our President ,we will all have the joy of watching his 2 daughters grow up in the White House.Your country has sent a black man to live in a house built in large part with slave labor.....Be proud of yourselves not because you elected a black man but rather because you elected the best man for the job...and he happened to be black.It is a glorious thing indeed Sorry for babbling excuse me! i did not vote for Obama or McCain. i voted for the one i felt was the best man for the job. i was simply expressing my concerns from what i have heard and seen since nov 4th. there are more prejudice people in this world than you know. obviously you and many like you are walking around in rose colored glasses. why should you see what i see? i imagine you are a white man that has never faced the bigotry i have faced. i have been confronted with hate from white men like you all my life. i am sorry if the picture i have painted here in my posts is not the fairy tale world you have in your head.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 4:48:41 PM)
yes you are right bigotry exist. many of my post here was about the bigotry i see, but it comes from all races. not just white on black or hispanic on white, but from all races. i want us all to put race behind us! Barack Obama is our president! he is not what i read on the tee shirt the black lady was wearing in the grocery store on nov 5th, "Barack Obama is MY black President"

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 4:50:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync i did not say my poll was scientific. i polled 30 to 40 friends. all make less than $100,000. according to Obama's campaign his tax plan will be almost identical to Pres. Clinton's. seems i remember Pres. Clinton campaigning on lowering taxes etc etc. i voted for him, but once he took office he found that lowering taxes was not an option. instead he asked us to bite the bullet and work with him to lower the deficit. the middle class took a huge hit because he found that the middle class is where the money is! ouch and it hurt! You need new, more reliable news sources. History books too. MM i paid the higher taxes under the Clinton Presidency. i do not need a history book or news source for that.

slvemike4u -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 4:51:48 PM)
Whoa BestBaby get a grip,my account was obviously first person...and a completely personal one at that.Where you get all your anger from I have no idea,but I do have a suggestion...you should be a little more discriminate where you direct that anger. You have your experiences I have mine,I look forward to a optimistic future based on my perceptions,sadly you seem to look back based on yours.That is your choice,not the one I would make but as you point out I have not walked in your shoes.

Politesub53 -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:00:05 PM)
quote: much in the same way as Tony Blair did when he became the first Scottish PM in the UK. Stella, you are over 200 years out. John Stuart, Earl of Bute was a Scot. There have been others too.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:00:50 PM)
"Didn't vote for him because he is black(by the way BestBaby,that is his decision,it is called self identifying ,and you nor anyone else has the right to correct or criticize his decision)." you stated above that i was criticizing someone's decision. i do not criticize anyone on how they identify themselves. i simply stated that PE Obama referred to himself as a "mutt" and several whites told me they voted for PE Obama because he was black.

GreedyTop -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:05:56 PM)
personally, I dont see anything with that tshirt you just cited, baby... assuming the woman voted for him, (and even if she didnt) he IS her (and our) president. And he does happen to acknowledge the fact that he is not a WASP, whether he calls himself a mutt or black.. ETA: The polls show that the majority of people polled voted for Obama based on his platform NOT his skin color. Since a poll, taken around the country in multiple cities using the same questions, can be taken to be a reasonably fair estimate of the overall views, my suggestion is that you broaden your circle of friends and acquaintances. Seems like a fairly narrow minded bunch you're surrounded by, based on what you keep posting here.

slvemike4u -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:06:13 PM)
And in an earlier post you went to great lengths to point out that he was actually half-white half-black rather than black.It was that point I was referring to....technically you are correct ,but the man identifies as black and that is goo enough for me and should be good enough for you.Hope that clears up any confusion between us ,though I still believe you took some shots at me in anger that I in no way ,based on my post deserved.

stella41b -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:09:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: much in the same way as Tony Blair did when he became the first Scottish PM in the UK. Stella, you are over 200 years out. John Stuart, Earl of Bute was a Scot. There have been others too. Really? More fool me for relying on info from one of our newspapers. Thanks for putting me right.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:17:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u And in an earlier post you went to great lengths to point out that he was actually half-white half-black rather than black.It was that point I was referring to....technically you are correct ,but the man identifies as black and that is goo enough for me and should be good enough for you.Hope that clears up any confusion between us ,though I still believe you took some shots at me in anger that I in no way ,based on my post deserved. on national tv he identified himself as a "mutt". that was the point i was making in that post. i was also using it as a point that PE Obama wants to cross racial and political lines. from his speech on nov 4th he sees our country not red, not blue, not black and not white, but united as one. that is what i have been trying to express. as for the shots at you...just built up frustrations from other threads i guess.......sorry i lost it for a minute......

slvemike4u -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:23:56 PM)
No problem Bestbaby concerning the shots,as a white man with a black great-grand mother I have developed a thick skin.Perhaps that is why I had no trouble,given the context,of President elect Obama characterizing himself as a "mutt" ,in large parts we are a nation of "mutts" to my mind that is truly the stregnth of our country.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:28:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop personally, I dont see anything with that tshirt you just cited, baby... assuming the woman voted for him, (and even if she didnt) he IS her (and our) president. And he does happen to acknowledge the fact that he is not a WASP, whether he calls himself a mutt or black.. ETA: The polls show that the majority of people polled voted for Obama based on his platform NOT his skin color. Since a poll, taken around the country in multiple cities using the same questions, can be taken to be a reasonably fair estimate of the overall views, my suggestion is that you broaden your circle of friends and acquaintances. Seems like a fairly narrow minded bunch you're surrounded by, based on what you keep posting here. i feel the different things i have seen and heard since nov 4th has helped me come to the conclusion that i have. i work in a community of 5000 people. i did not poll them all. but i polled the ones i know and that i consider my friends. since you do not know me, you cannot judge me, my community or my friends. i asked several questions which included, what do you know about PE Obama's plan for this country. most could not answer the question or their answer was vague. there are many that voted for PE Obama because of his charisma, his race or his ability to speak why deny that fact?.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:33:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u No problem Bestbaby concerning the shots,as a white man with a black great-grand mother I have developed a thick skin.Perhaps that is why I had no trouble,given the context,of President elect Obama characterizing himself as a "mutt" ,in large parts we are a nation of "mutts" to my mind that is truly the stregnth of our country. i am glad to hear you have a thick skin. i have a thick skin to some degree as well. i am neither white nor black, i am a human being and an american citizen. but i tire of some of the racial statements from both black & white communities i have heard since the election. i will be so glad when skin color is no longer an issue.

lronitulstahp -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:35:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop personally, I dont see anything with that tshirt you just cited, baby... assuming the woman voted for him, (and even if she didnt) he IS her (and our) president. And he does happen to acknowledge the fact that he is not a WASP, whether he calls himself a mutt or black.. ETA: The polls show that the majority of people polled voted for Obama based on his platform NOT his skin color. Since a poll, taken around the country in multiple cities using the same questions, can be taken to be a reasonably fair estimate of the overall views, my suggestion is that you broaden your circle of friends and acquaintances. Seems like a fairly narrow minded bunch you're surrounded by, based on what you keep posting here. i feel the different things i have seen and heard since nov 4th has helped me come to the conclusion that i have. i work in a community of 5000 people. i did not poll them all. but i polled the ones i know and that i consider my friends. since you do not know me, you cannot judge me, my community or my friends. i asked several questions which included, what do you know about PE Obama's plan for this country. most could not answer the question or their answer was vague. there are many that voted for PE Obama because of his charisma, his race or his ability to speak why deny that fact?. You saying you did any of this, doesn't make it fact to any of us here. quote: i climbed MT.Everest...all on my own, without ever making base camp. In my bathing suit. Does that now qualify as fact??? See how easily one can type a statement as factual? She, or anyone else here has the right to challenge or question what you post...as you have the same right to voice your opinions here.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:45:37 PM)
obviously you have no horse in this race. but oh well i forgot i am always wrong and insignificant in your eyes! i am a mere dirty spot on your pretty landscape. how dare i! [sm=bowdown.gif]

novice7 -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:47:47 PM)
We can all be traced back geneticly to the African continent.

rulemylife -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:51:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync i asked several questions which included, what do you know about PE Obama's plan for this country. most could not answer the question or their answer was vague. there are many that voted for PE Obama because of his charisma, his race or his ability to speak why deny that fact?. Many, including myself, have answered those questions on many different threads but you apparently either ignore the answers or refuse to accept they are true. I am sure there are some who did vote for him for reasons other than his proposed policies. I'm also sure there are many like you who voted against him without any accurate knowledge of his intended policies. You are asking people here to explain his plan when that information is readily available if you take the time to research it, which might have been a helpful thing before you cast your vote.

GreedyTop -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:56:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bestbabync obviously you have no horse in this race. but oh well i forgot i am always wrong and insignificant in your eyes! i am a mere dirty spot on your pretty landscape. how dare i! [sm=bowdown.gif] the race is over and her horse won... incidentally, she made an informed choice. As did her friends. I have NEVER seen tulip refer to you (or anyone else) as quote: always wrong and insignificant in your eyes! i am a mere dirty spot on your pretty landscape. so ... keep surrounding yourself with your circle of uninformed, racist friends, and keep on keepin on. the fact is that the NATIONAL POLLS showed that your circle of friends/acquaintainces/coworkers is in the minority.

bestbabync -> RE: transcending racial prejudice (11/9/2008 5:56:24 PM)
LOL..the questions i in my previous post was not asked of anyone here! if you read my previous post. i voted for the candidate that best represented what i want for my future and my country. i did not vote for PE Obama because he did not represent my views. i am not smart like some of you but i am not simple-minded, nor did i drink the koolaide. i am a libertarian and i voted libertarian, thank you! LET FREEDOM RING!!!!!!

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