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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 8:29:29 PM   
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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 8:48:10 PM   
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Okay, I guess it's my turn.

I didn't vote for him, because the change I saw coming was more penalization and tougher times for small business under Obama's politics. Most of the people I know who didn't vote him are small business owners as well. As someone who runs a very small business, I think things are too hard for independent contractors as it is. Given that most of our manufacturing has been transfered over seas, small business is the big hope for this countries economy (They already provide 50% of the jobs).


If we could get a national healthcare system in place and get everyone covered, so that we were no longer 37th! in healthcare among industrialized nations, I would think that would be better for small business owners as they would not need to worry about providing healthcare.  More people would be able to work for themselves without worrying about how to get healthcare, and more people would be able to start businesses.  Just my opinion.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 8:50:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Okay, I guess it's my turn.

I didn't vote for him, because the change I saw coming was more penalization and tougher times for small business under Obama's politics. Most of the people I know who didn't vote him are small business owners as well. As someone who runs a very small business, I think things are too hard for independent contractors as it is. Given that most of our manufacturing has been transfered over seas, small business is the big hope for this countries economy (They already provide 50% of the jobs).



He`s going to have the Clinton tax plan.

Remember the prosperity we enjoyed during the Clinton years?

No?

I do.

That`s it.He`s going to let the bush tax cuts expire.

Remember the disaster that was bush tax/economic policy?

No?

I do.  We do....

The doom and gloom stories were bullshit lines used to try to win the election.

You can move on now,the election is over.The bullshit lines, debunked and dis-believed.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:09:57 PM   
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Remember the prosperity we enjoyed during the Clinton years?




       That would have been the internet bubble. 

      

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:13:06 PM   
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He`s going to let the bush tax cuts expire.



But...but...that's socialism, SOCIALISM, I tell you!  We've elected a SOCIALIST to the White House!  He wants to tax the rich at 38.5% and the poor at 15%!  Just like we did from 1993-2002!  Why...why...that must have been socialism too!!

(stops to reflect that we've had high/low tax brackets since 1913, then quickly discards that inconvenient fact)

That's REDISTRIBUTING THE WEALTH! 

(stops to reflect that high/low tax brackets automatically redistribute the wealth by their very nature...then quickly discards that inconvenient fact too)

Obama said so, in 2001, and then he said it to Joe the Plumber!  He wants to, wants to (I can't get the words out) let the top rate revert from 35% back to 38.5%!  *gasp* That's socialism, don't you see?  CAN'T YOU PEOPLE SEE THAT THE SKY IS FALLING?!?!?

(head explodes)

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:24:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		        It isn't the plan that is the problem, Cagey.  It's how he is going to respond when the plan doesn't work as well in reality as it did on paper.  Watch those projections start climbing.  Watch the definition of who is rich fall.  Watch him him talk about how we all need to do our part, as families making $50-60k start seeing smaller paychecks.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:37:51 PM   
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we actually had the guts to elect a person of color
. 
What guts??? When are you guys going to stop with the racist crap. It takes no guts to vote for a black, a gay, a woman, or whatever else.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:54:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

       It isn't the plan that is the problem, Cagey.  It's how he is going to respond when the plan doesn't work as well in reality as it did on paper.  Watch those projections start climbing.  Watch the definition of who is rich fall.  Watch him him talk about how we all need to do our part, as families making $50-60k start seeing smaller paychecks.
I would be interested in knowing just how you have come to this conclusion.Is it tarot cards or the tea leaves method you are using ?
Or maybe,and this is the one I'm going with,just a hunch.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:55:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wasn't defining "the problem" nor attempting to solve it, but rather pointing out the childishness of those who cling desperately to a phrase and actually believe that a socialist has been elected President.

The rest of your post is an exercise in clairvoyance and thus will be accorded as much attention as the predictions of Sylvia Browne.  I have more confidence in Warren Buffett, Robert Reich, and the rest of Obama's economic advisers than in your scary talk of "families making $50-60k seeing smaller paychecks".  The notion that Obama will increase taxes on the middle class is truly laughable--he does want to get re-elected you know.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 9:56:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I would be interested in knowing just how you have come to this conclusion.Is it tarot cards or the tea leaves method you are using ?


GMTA...


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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:06:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well in truth Cagey,disputing that last post was child's play,but the surest indication of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with me...

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:11:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I would be interested in knowing just how you have come to this conclusion.Is it tarot cards or the tea leaves method you are using ?
Or maybe,and this is the one I'm going with,just a hunch.



          A little bird told me, Mike.  The same one that told me who McCain's veep candidate was going to be, so I tend to trust it.

       Or it could just be blatantly obvious to anyone with a fucking clue. 

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:13:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

Remember the prosperity we enjoyed during the Clinton years?




      That would have been the internet bubble. 

     


No no,that was Socialism at work.

It can work again....

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:13:57 PM   
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the surest indication of a man's intelligence is how much he agrees with me...

Yes, I believe I read that in the Forum rules somewhere...


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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:18:00 PM   
slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I would be interested in knowing just how you have come to this conclusion.Is it tarot cards or the tea leaves method you are using ?
Or maybe,and this is the one I'm going with,just a hunch.



         A little bird told me, Mike.  The same one that told me who McCain's veep candidate was going to be, so I tend to trust it.

      Or it could just be blatantly obvious to anyone with a fucking clue. 
Well apparently the electorate doesn't have a fucking clue then, heh?
Or perhaps,and this is the one I'm going with here,it is you who doesn't have a fucking clue....or perhaps the bird .Whatever doesn't really matter now does it, all you are doing is making predictions that according to you have been whispered in your ear by a fucking bird....should we take this serious.I don't think so.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:21:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

Okay, I guess it's my turn.

I didn't vote for him, because the change I saw coming was more penalization and tougher times for small business under Obama's politics. Most of the people I know who didn't vote him are small business owners as well. As someone who runs a very small business, I think things are too hard for independent contractors as it is. Given that most of our manufacturing has been transfered over seas, small business is the big hope for this countries economy (They already provide 50% of the jobs).



He`s going to have the Clinton tax plan.

Remember the prosperity we enjoyed during the Clinton years?

No?

I do.

That`s it.He`s going to let the bush tax cuts expire.

Remember the disaster that was bush tax/economic policy?

No?

I do.  We do....

The doom and gloom stories were bullshit lines used to try to win the election.

You can move on now,the election is over.The bullshit lines, debunked and dis-believed.


I was just stating my opinion as to why I didn't vote for him in reference to my thread.

Your the one trying to argue with me and turn it into some slur against your Messiah.

I have moved on. That's why I am not going to get in this debate with you.

Maybe you should do the same.

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:24:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		       Say what you want about me, Mike, but don't you go dissing my little bird...

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:27:39 PM   
slvemike4u


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Status: offline 		Rich ,I sincerely apologise please forward all appropriate apologies to the bird.
Now how will that work,do you now whisper in the birds ear....or can you just make a phone call ?


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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:28:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: ThatDaveGuy69

One major change I noticed Wednesday morning was the shear number of smiling faces on the 6:48 train.
To me, this is a physical manifestaion of the hope people feel when they consider that, as a nation, we actually had the guts to elect a person of color. 

BTW: I was impressd by the South Park boys assembling the show using the actual words from both Obama's and McCain's speeches.  Nicely done!  And Sarah Palin with a tough, no-nonsense British accent was priceless!

~Dave


Around here, people are smiling like never before.
People seem to be a lot happier, I know I am.

 


Mia, what if they outlaw CORN?

From some of the things I'm hearing on the News I think President Obama's going to be great for the stock market.
We'll be having BIG much needed public works projects that will put millions to work again at good wages.
And Jim Cramer on "Mad Money" last night said that they "have" to help the auto industry as too many jobs depend on it.
He also said that it's funny that guys who make $25M a year losing $Trillions of dollars in other people's money think that auto workers who make $70k a year are "overpaid." "What do those guys ever "make?"
Have they ever made a transmission or a fender?
LOLOL! Boo-Yah Cramer!
Fucking JETHRO on the Beverley Hillbillies could have done a better job than those "investment bankers" who now want to be "bailed-out!"
"Howdy Miss Jane, I's gonna be a Banker like Mr Drysdale!"
"I been sittin' out by the cee-ment pond cypherin' all week!"

< Message edited by popeye1250 -- 11/10/2008 10:35:11 PM >

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RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! - 11/10/2008 10:34:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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we actually had the guts to elect a person of color
. 
What guts??? When are you guys going to stop with the racist crap. It takes no guts to vote for a black, a gay, a woman, or whatever else.


7 years after 9/11 we elect a guy who`s middle name is Hussien.

I think that`s gutsy.And tells me this democracy thing works.

If that needs any explaining,you may not understand.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 11/10/2008 10:36:29 PM >

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