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GoddessDustyGold -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/13/2008 3:05:30 PM)
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGol
I truly do not think I am making vague and meaningless statements. I explained thoroughly about bloated government and "dunken sailor" spending. Wasteful spending at that.
So please do take the time to address My concerns point by point if you wish. There is really only one point anyway.
All I see coming from your side of the coin is happiness that some people will be taxed more while others who do not pay tax at all will get annual bonus checks. And the beat goes on as to all that wasteful spending.
You seem to think this is fair and not a problem.
I don't.
The vague and meaningless remark was a general statement about the opposition to his tax plans that I have heard, not necessarily directed at your post. Even so, you've used a lot of talking points straight from the GOP's failed election platform just as you have again here.
I do not listen to the GOP or the Dems (or perhaps I listen to both and then throw it all out) and I view any of these things you call *talking points* as just that. Talking points. I don't believe them for a minute. They will never see it through. On the GOP side, although I do not even hear them talking anymore about reining in spending, they will not follow thorugh on any promises to change. On the Dem side, they are frank about wanting to do more for the "little guy", but they do not have a logical plan in place to streamline social programs and pay for it without causing more debt and creating a need for higher and higher taxes.
I believe and live what I say. I have to live within My budget. I am not entitled to anyting I do not earn and I would be foolish to spend money I do not have on things I really do not need. I feel I have an absolute right to expect My government to do the same.
But that is no longer the American way.
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I agree with you about wasteful spending. We've had eight years of it. The national debt has doubled. There has to be an increase in taxes, spending cuts alone won't help.
We have had way more than 8 years of wastful spending. Don't fool yourself into thinking that this only started 8 years ago. And you have just shot yourself in the foot. You agree that taxes must be increased and that spending cuts alone will not take care of this mess. Do you see any spending cuts? Do you hear of any planned spending cuts? So you honeslty believe that this very minor, as everybody keeps putting it, tax increase on only those in the highest tax bracket is going to even begin to approach being enough to pay for the new plans?
I don't.
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No one like taxes but everyone likes the services those taxes provide.
I honestly do not mind "fair" taxes. And I doubt that there are many Americans who would not be willing to pay what they consider their fair share of what is truly "fair". What we have, and what we have had for several generations is far from fair. As fast as it is collected it is going to pay interest on a national debt so that more and more can be borrowed to fund the latest and greatest social ideas as well as the(un)necessary pork. In addition,. we do not really have any say in how that money is being wastefully spent. The constituation was written specifically to limit the power of the federal government and keep the power with the people and in the states. Somewhere, a long time ago, we got way off track. How is is that we pay the Feds, we pay our states (not enough, apparently), and then the states are at the mercy of the Feds to try to get some of the money back? The Feds should be at the mercy of the states. We are the ones who say what they can have to run what programs. Instead it is all topsy turvy. And we accept this as the only way. We are just used to it. Insidious, isn't it?
How about this? Everybody keeps what they make, and we have a straight consumption tax,. It stands to reason that those with more money will buy more good and more expensive goods, so they will be paying more taxes, while those with limited budgets will be more prudent and buy less expensive items and will not buy as much. So they will pay less in tax.
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The "some people" that will get taxed more are those in the very top tax bracket. Those that can most afford it. Not to mention that it is a very small percentage increase.
So how is this "very small percentage" increase gong to pay for all the new programs?
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That's not the opposition to the plan I keep hearing though. The argument I hear from people, including threads here, is that the tax increases will not be limited to that tax bracket and spread downward. Which was my point.
That is not in Obama's tax plan and he has not even hinted at that, yet it is accepted as fact when there is no evidence to support it other than pure speculation.
He may not have hinted at it, but simple math tells us that we cannot continue to spend at the rate we are or even increasse that spending and not increase taxes.
As I have just pointed out, it is My opinion that the new plans will take too much money More money than can be gathered from a less than 4% increase on the wealthiest. It will spread downward. Taxes cannot continue to be raised on only the richest while lowering the obligation to and/or subsidizing the bottom 60% or more of the population. Else, those rich guys that you seem to feel should have to hurt more, will not be around and we will have nothing. Oh gosh...now we are back to the richest guy who got beat up at the bar and didn't come back the next night to pay his fair share of the bill! Maybe we can all just wash dishes.
Please note My tag line. I didn't vote for either of them.
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