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MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:42:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: we actually had the guts to elect a person of color . What guts??? When are you guys going to stop with the racist crap. It takes no guts to vote for a black, a gay, a woman, or whatever else. 7 years after 9/11 we elect a guy who`s middle name is Hussien. I think that`s gutsy.And tells me this democract thing works. If that needs any explaining,you may not understand. WOW! We did it! We managed to overcome the tyranny and prejudice of a...middle name...and cast our votes for a guy based on his political positions and character. I really want to meet some of those voters. "Man, I really could benefit from his tax plan and health care system and he seems to be intelligent and articulate with a clear history of being American with no connections to the Middle East....but man that scary scary middle name...I'm not sure I can get past that." I really hope that I don't live in a country where overcoming a coincidental middle name that has no significance to vote for a candidate is a marginal historical accomplishment. His skin color serves as a symbol for racial progression in this country, but to honestly think his middle name was a concern for the majority of voters in this country is an insult to our nations average intelligence level.

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:49:10 PM)
"but man that scary scary middle name...I'm not sure I can get past that." That was half the republican campaign message.The other half being that Obama`s tax plan would hurt the economy. Silly me, for thinking you`d believe only half their message....[:D]

TheHeretic -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:49:45 PM)
Too late for an apology, Mike. And I should warn you, he's a grudge holding sonofahen. It might be best to wear a hat, when you go outside, for a while. [;)] And there are lots of ways to shrink a paycheck.

slvemike4u -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:49:56 PM)
Oh boy owner,I saw that one coming.....We do need to move on a bit here,I prefer to believe we elected the best man for the job as President....was history made,damm right but IMO it was done within the context of voting for the man we believed was best for the job.Not the man who would be most historic.

slvemike4u -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:51:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Too late for an apology, Mike. And I should warn you, he's a grudge holding sonofahen. It might be best to wear a hat, when you go outside, for a while. [;)] And there are lots of ways to shrink a paycheck. C'mon Rich there has got to be something we can work out here.....I hate hats.

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:54:07 PM)
And there are lots of ways to shrink a paycheck. as your man bush has shown us all to well...... Next!

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:54:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: michaelOfGeorgia all politicians say what people wanna hear in order to get votes. it's like a game show "Who's The Biggest Liar" Because that is the way we've created our election process. We complain about it then turn around and say I'm not voting for him because he is against abortion or I won't vote for him because he will raise the capital gains tax. Instead of looking at the overall picture and who we think will do the best job for the country as a whole, we focus on our own narrow little issues and how it will affect us personally. We force politicians into equivocation and ambiguity because if they take a strong stand on any controversial issue they will have a specific voting bloc that will put all their efforts into defeating them and likely succeed. or save all the time and trouble by not voting at all...at least until they change things (which will never happen, the rich won't stand for that kind of change) <Edited for poor spelling on my part>

MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:55:10 PM)
My history of the last year might be funny, but the percentage of focus on his middle name was in the single digits. Half the Republican message was questions regarding his past and former associations which were all valid questions. It must be easy to reduce the McCain campaigns arguments and positions down to "bullshit" when you don't know what they are.

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 10:59:27 PM)
Nothing wrong with rich people or the system. I liked Clinton`s approach, where the middle class got richer and the rich got richer with so many folks climbing out of poverty. The system can work for everyone with the right leadership.

slvemike4u -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:03:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit My history of the last year might be funny, but the percentage of focus on his middle name was in the single digits. Half the Republican message was questions regarding his past and former associations which were all valid questions. It must be easy to reduce the McCain campaigns arguments and positions down to "bullshit" when you don't know what they are. Well to give the devil it's due there was an awful lot of long drawn out uses of his middle name at rallys and such.To John McCains credit I don't believe it was done by anyone actually associated with his campaign,though they never did step up and stop it either.Obama pretty much ignored the controversy completely,not too much you can complain about when people are simply using the name that appears on your birth certificate.The sherrif in Florida was the most memorable instance,though the best line dealing with the middle name was actually Obama's himself at The Al Smith Dinner....when he said it was given to him by someone who never thought he would run for President.

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:05:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit My history of the last year might be funny, but the percentage of focus on his middle name was in the single digits. Half the Republican message was questions regarding his past and former associations which were all valid questions. It must be easy to reduce the McCain campaigns arguments and positions down to "bullshit" when you don't know what they are. no no,those lines were bullshit. McCain`s assosiations with terrorists(present assosiations) are something Obama could have brought up. But he has more class than that.

TheHeretic -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:08:53 PM)
Where do you buy those rose-colored glasses, O59? I'm surprised you didn't mention how he cured homelessness by his very presence. [8\|]

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:11:20 PM)
cured homelessness Socialism did that... You`re not paying attention. Or was that Marxism...?

MadRabbit -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:16:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u quote: ORIGINAL: MadRabbit My history of the last year might be funny, but the percentage of focus on his middle name was in the single digits. Half the Republican message was questions regarding his past and former associations which were all valid questions. It must be easy to reduce the McCain campaigns arguments and positions down to "bullshit" when you don't know what they are. Well to give the devil it's due there was an awful lot of long drawn out uses of his middle name at rallys and such.To John McCains credit I don't believe it was done by anyone actually associated with his campaign,though they never did step up and stop it either.Obama pretty much ignored the controversy completely,not too much you can complain about when people are simply using the name that appears on your birth certificate.The sherrif in Florida was the most memorable instance,though the best line dealing with the middle name was actually Obama's himself at The Al Smith Dinner....when he said it was given to him by someone who never thought he would run for President. I don't think the people who scream the loudest at rallies represents the viewpoints or the attitude of the majority. Even so, it wasn't a part of McCain's campaign and for Owner59 to claim otherwise shows how he is trying to make something out of nothing. I find the idea of patting ourselves on the back and saying "Wow! Look at what we did! We didn't stop voting because of his middle name!" to be dropping the bar for the American people to the level of being just generally insulting. I'll recognize the historical symbolism of a black man in President, but even then, I am not going to join in on the back patting about "overcoming racial barriers", because it's like congratulating a man for paying his child support and not going to jail. You SHOULD pay your child support and SHOULD not go to jail. You SHOULD vote for a man because he is the best man for the job and not because he is white or black. These things should be normal expectations of behavior and not worthy of a high-five.

Owner59 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:36:31 PM)
I voted for him because he was the best suited for the job and times. He could have been a Chinese acrobat or a pretty female governor from a state like Alaska [8\|] and I still would have voted for Obama. My comment was about the nation and my compliment was about looking past ignorance. If that`s insulting,so be it.

sravaka -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:47:34 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: we actually had the guts to elect a person of color . What guts??? When are you guys going to stop with the racist crap. It takes no guts to vote for a black, a gay, a woman, or whatever else. 7 years after 9/11 we elect a guy who`s middle name is Hussien. I think that`s gutsy.And tells me this democract thing works. If that needs any explaining,you may not understand. WOW! We did it! We managed to overcome the tyranny and prejudice of a...middle name...and cast our votes for a guy based on his political positions and character. I really want to meet some of those voters. "Man, I really could benefit from his tax plan and health care system and he seems to be intelligent and articulate with a clear history of being American with no connections to the Middle East....but man that scary scary middle name...I'm not sure I can get past that." I think part of the accomplishment is in fact that people cast votes based on broad/serious issues, rather than on who they thought they'd rather have a beer with. And being confronted by an exotic middle name may well go into making the beer decision. I remember after the elections in 2004 talking to an otherwise reasonable seeming person whose explanation of his vote was "I just couldn't stand the idea of looking at John Kerry on tv for 4 years." I can't entirely fault the sentiment... but, yikes. What a way to vote. I voted for Obama, and the kinds of CHANGE! I'm looking forward to include having a guy in charge who analyzes situations and makes decisions with his brain rather than his gut or his perceptions of good and evil or what he thinks god whispers in ear. Who realizes that the world is a big complicated place and there are shades of gray everywhere. Who will fill posts in his administration based on qualifications and competence rather than pure politics/cronyism. Whose policies are driven by concern for improving the lot of the middle class and the poor rather than preserving the power of the very wealthy. Even if he can't ultimately deliver on various specific promises made in the course of the campaign I trust that there will be a salubrious shift in tone/approach. Or maybe I'd just rather have a beer with him. Or an arugula latte or whatever.

sravaka -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/10/2008 11:49:15 PM)
Damn. How do you get the nested boxes when you quote??

thishereboi -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/11/2008 5:04:28 AM)
quote: Remember the prosperity we enjoyed during the Clinton years? No, but I remember NAFTA.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/11/2008 5:14:16 AM)
i wonder, what does NAFTA really mean? Not A F**king Thing At'all [sm=lol.gif] [sm=couch.gif]

celticlord2112 -> RE: CHANGE! THE CHANGE IS COMING! (11/11/2008 5:39:05 AM)
quote: I'm looking forward to include having a guy in charge who analyzes situations and makes decisions with his brain rather than his gut or his perceptions of good and evil or what he thinks god whispers in ear. Decisions are never made anywhere but the gut. After all the reasoning is done, intuition and instinct still hold sway. Perceptions of good and evil.....normal people call those morals. You can argue them, we all should debate them, but it's damn foolish to dismiss them.

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