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Outlaw85 -> RE: Gun Sales Up Since Obama Election Victory (11/13/2008 9:39:45 AM)
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Major Edit Note: Sorry Philosophy, that wasn't all directed towards you, most of that goes towards mike xD I really did a bad job of making that part clear <_< I agree with you fully, common sense laws on weapons is perfectly rational. I don't really want felons having ak-47s neither.
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112
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Out of individuals or governments, which group has the most checks and balances on their behaviour?
Individuals. The checks and balances are called neighbors.
Governments have only their own internal inefficiencies and the capacity of the citizenry to oppose the government to keep their behavior in check.
....well, i'm glad that those checks and balances you so admire worked so well at Columbine, among other examples.
You see, you're living in an idealised world. Neighbours clearly don't work in the way you suggest. Maybe they could be made to work, but that's social engineering......and you've made it abundantly clear what you think of social engineering.
Now, i'm actually not suggesting that gun control ought to be draconian, far from it. However, the principle you've suggested (that all types of weapons controlled by the government ought to be available to citizens legally) runs into a wall. The society that could be modelled in which that wouldn't lead to the murder of thousands (when Joe Six-packs anthrax barrel blows up accidentally, or when his psychotic younger brother decides to pour it off the top of a clock tower) doesn't exist. Maybe it existed at one point in history, but that point isn't now. If it were then we wouldn't have people shooting up schools or malls would we?
The public ownership of weapons needs some, i say some, common sense restrictions.
and you also are living in an idealised world. Like they said above, I've noticed it too, people just get irrational at the word gun. Any other weapon doesn't have that effect, only gun, and it's one of the lesser deadly weapons when consider the randomness of it in comparedness to the precision of a knife.
the sad reality is that the majority of the population, I'd say about 80% are cowards. You'd rather pass the responsibility onto other people, onto the government. You've lived far too comfortably and have had too little experience with danger. You, unlike your ancestors have become soft and incapable of living in a world where you're in mortal danger. The fact is this, you will NEVER be safe. EVER. Thats it. You will ALWAYS be in danger of predators, and in this country, even more so due to our culture. People live in this delusion that they are safe. They never are. There was a time when americans realized this and actually stood up for themselves and each other. And they also realized that bad things happened.
Massacres have been something we've had to deal with for thousands of years, and through out the entire history of hte united states. Innocent unarmed people get massacred. Fact of life. If you didn't lack criticle thinking entirely, and if you weren't a coward who wants to live under the delusion that it's even possible to remove guns and that you can be safe, you'd realize that guns are nessisary and are always going to be nessisary in this country. It's just the nature of our culture. Sadly, you are a coward, and are unable to compete, and therefore make all sorts of demands to level the playing field instead of taking the initiative to arm yourself and take responsibility for your own safety. It's the same convoluted logic that brings you communism, a bunch of working class stiffs pissed off because they don't have the IQ and the initiative to educate themselves and work their way up the ladder, and thus are unable to compete in a capitalistic survival of the fittest society, and are thus unhappy, thus demanding that no one have property, and that no one be happy, just because they don't want to take personal responsibility for their situation and don't want to compete. Not that they don't need help and shouldn't be treated equally, but it's the same old story of trading one extreme for another.
And another thing. School shootings. Well if people would stop being RETARDED and stop being DELUSIONAL and stop thinking that we're any more than packs of animals fighting over the resources of the savanna, and stop thinking that we as a society have out grown certian things before we actually have. And stop pressuring the government to make more and more laws to try to control the population that cannot be controlled you'd have less school shootings.
Simply put, it used to be that if you were being bullied in school, you punch the bully in the nose, he stops bothering you, problem solved. Now a kid goes to jail for it. It used to be, if someone was being a prick, a good old fist fight would resolve the issue and the police would look the other way. Now you get caught up in the system that tries to "rehabilitate you"
well, if you don't let the kids defend themselves in school, they're going to wind up snapping, eventually, and then they're going to shoot someone. And you all bring it down upon yourselves with your lack of critical thinking and your cowardice.
Frankly I enjoy watching this society burn, I have nothing but contempt for people like you.
People who are not willing to stand up for themselves, deserve what they get.
"people who sacrifice a little liberty for a little security DESERVE neither and will lose both" -Benjamin Franklin
the man knew what he was talking about, and now look at how your society crumbles. I'm not worried though, I can take care of myself. I'm pretty sure you're fucked though.
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