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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 2:42:12 PM

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Aneirin, simply because something offends the sensibilitites of someone does not make it "not art." No one is ever obligated to view or listen to that which they personally find offencive. You aren't, for instance, going to be holding a gun to anyone's head and Forcing them to objectively analyze the piece. (At least, I would hope you aren't planning to do so - but if you are, let me know, I'd like to be there as a witness to take notes on the general reaction.)

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 2:59:31 PM

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Tell us some more about your project Aneirin, is it a visual thing?

Yes, it is a visual thing, not only that but a tactile thing and for some, a practical thing, but I intend the object to be an ornamental thing. The imagery I am using, which seems to have the worst affect on those that know of my project, is that of a phallus and a pretty keen one at that. This image though the very basis of creation seems to have the worst affect on people in every day life, as though it is something we wish to forget about and has been even labelled obscene, something which to me is so hypocritical and wrong. I cannot seperate the phallic imagery from the project, as it is an intrinsic part of the theme and represents both angles I wish to explore.

I Know this project is more about challenging myself rather than that of my peers, I need to do it for myself, recognition or notoriety, really is of little interest, as my art is an expression of my learning.

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 3:02:10 PM

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Aneirin you seem to have the right reasoning there, when i started reading that post i was thinking i hope that his only reason isnt to shock, but it seems like its a personal thing which is in and of itself worth while, we should challange ourselves in whatever ways we can it is challanging our perceptions that help make us understan other people better.

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 3:08:06 PM

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I Know this project is more about challenging myself rather than that of my peers, I need to do it for myself, recognition or notoriety, really is of little interest, as my art is an expression of my learning.

...in my opinion there are, broadly, two types of art. One type seeks to actively engage its audience...indeed can not be said to function without that audience. Theatre is an excellent example.
The other type of art, no less valid, does not really require an audience. It is art as an expression of self, without the inevitable compromises that the act of communication to others bring.
The latter can be a means to an end, or the end itself. Doesn't really matter. Do whatever you have to do Aneirin. You may never finish it to your satisfaction.....and that's alright too. Da Vinci never finished the Mona Lisa to his satisfaction either.

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 3:10:07 PM

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Aneirin you seem to have the right reasoning there, when i started reading that post i was thinking i hope that his only reason isnt to shock, but it seems like its a personal thing which is in and of itself worth while, we should challange ourselves in whatever ways we can it is challanging our perceptions that help make us understan other people better.

It is self doubt that features much in the research for this project, I sometimes stop myself and ask, 'WTF am I doing'', but I know that is the thinking of the past, the political perspective I have always followed so as not to offend, the route I know that always ends in my dissatisfaction. If I am to succeed, then I have to challenge myself, as it is to myself that I owe the most.

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 3:13:14 PM

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Its been a running thing through this thread that art is subjective and offense depends on the person, some people create art with the intention to offend, you clearly arent. You shouldnt self moderate in regards to art, and obviously this is a burning thing for you so to moderate would only cause you to question yourself further so i say throw yourself into it, fuck what people think. And now im going to stop dominating the thread.

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 3:44:29 PM

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RE: Artists - 11/12/2008 8:57:35 PM

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I thank you all for your inputs so far, it is food for thought. But I have another thought, based upon my art 'experience' today ;

Should, or can art be provocative, can it's application be used to stimulate feelings or a response which some may find as an afront to their sensibilities ?

I ask this, as a project I am working on, so far has met with some concern from my peers. I quested why it causes concern and met with the response that what I was attempting to do was very much on the edge of my peer's comfort zone and perhaps even moving into territories outside of their comfort zone. I explained that comfort zones like people are different and what I consider as acceptable may very well differ from many, but that is not an indication that I am wrong. The past is with me, I have always self censored my work, thinking about the response from others, as it is not my wish to insult, but , as a result I have found my work to be lack lustre and not a true interpretation of what I had in mind, I have in the quest to moderate actually dissapointed myself. This current project, it is my aim to not self censor, but to just do and bugger the consequences, as I need to do what I need to do for myself to be true to myself.

The current project encompasses such subjects as the duality of sex and death all wrapped up in freudian psychology, a visceral interpretation on what I see as something human kind cannot live without. Perhaps what I do is psychological, even political, but is there anything wrong in that, is it wrong to challenge sensibilities and attempt to let the spirit soar free ?

Art is not just about beauty. It is about being human, being alive. My favorite painting by Picasso is 'Woman Descending a Staircase'. I love Dali and Hernomus Bosch and other painters whose works are very disturbing.

I'm sorry to hear your peers are giving you a rash, Aneirin.

Ever heard of the New College and the Ringling Arts Center in Sarasota, Florida? One of the most beautiful cities I have ever seen. The Ringling Family -- the circus folks -- acquired one of the largest collections of Salvador Dali's works and helped found the New College.

Emigrate over here, Aneirin. We need you. LOL. You'd love Saratsota.

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RE: Artists - 11/13/2008 8:38:15 PM

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Should, or can art be provocative, can it's application be used to stimulate feelings or a response which some may find as an afront to their sensibilities ?

The current project encompasses such subjects as the duality of sex and death all wrapped up in freudian psychology, a visceral interpretation on what I see as something human kind cannot live without. Perhaps what I do is psychological, even political, but is there anything wrong in that, is it wrong to challenge sensibilities and attempt to let the spirit soar free ?

Of course art can be provocative. Should it? Depends on the person, on the inspiration, on the interpretation. To one, something may track as an affront, to another divine. Taste in art is divergent, much like we as people. Perhaps the reference to definition of evocation of emotion is a potential unifying force? Though, arguably, it can be divisive as well. We are all different but interconnected, imo.
I think your premise of the Freudian eros/thanatos urges in work is fabulous; I believe we are truly ruled by sex and death; the two forces are the Universe and all things come full circle, to some perpetually a wheel turning. Freud was sometimes wacky but with the sex/death thing, I believe he hit the nail on the head. For if not these urges, than what rules man or woman?
I see nothing inherently good or bad about challenging sensibilities. I live my life in as true a fashion as I can, I do my best to walk in light, I generally try not to harm anyone or anything; undoubtedly and sometimes pointedly, I affront people but that is generally not my intent, in fact the vast majority of the time, quite the contrary, though, again, I believe in deliberacy. This, imo, is the same thing that can be manifest in art. You are deliberately engaging in an exploration. I wish you well in your travels,
Davan

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