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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 6:20:26 PM   
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Hitler was a Great Leader.

Most would be offended by that statement...but in fact, history shows without any influence...he was.



I can't tell whether you're serious, or whether you're joking there... to argue that someone was, or is, a 'great leader', you've got to give examples of the great and wonderful things they've achieved, preferably not at the expense of too many others. Good luck (I say this in the benevolent hope that your post was, indeed, tongue in cheek :-) .


"Great" is a word in every dictionary...it's clearly defined.

It's not up to me to clarify the definition....it's been defined...and Hitler met it.

He was a "Great" leader in most definitions.

He was also evil.

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 6:53:52 PM   
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It's not up to me to clarify the definition....it's been defined...and Hitler met it.

He was a "Great" leader in most definitions.



Okay. In your opinion, he met the definition of being "a great leader". It's a fantastical opinion, but you're not alone in having it. I, for one, do not share it.

And Hitler didn't smoke, did he? Unless you count inhaling gas chamber fumes as smoking  ?

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:03:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm a strong advocate for preservation of freedoms and rights, and think that we are legislating away many of the rights we once took for granted.  That said, I also have asthma and just walking down a hallway where someone is smoking has the potential of sending me to the E.R and can even be life threatening.  I have to admit, I'm very happy to walk down those hallways without worry, and am not the least bit disturbed that I don't come away stinking of smoke.  While I think many of the bans on smoking go a bit too far, I can't help but wonder at what point is a smoker's right to smoke more viable than an asthmatics right to breathe?

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:05:31 PM   
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Smoking is a health hazard. 


This is what bothers me the most.

If Tobacco is such a hazard, then why are we allowing it to be produced and then taxing it so high?

To drastic?

Then why do we allow it sold by the pack, the can, the pouch or singular cigars?

If it is so hazardous, why not tax it at $10 a pack or $20 or $50 a pack?  Why can we walk into any grocery, drug, liquor, 7-day, store or gas station and buy it?
Sort of answered your own question there,didn't you sport.

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:05:53 PM   
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Smoking is a health hazard. 


This is what bothers me the most.

If Tobacco is such a hazard, then why are we allowing it to be produced and then taxing it so high?

To drastic?

Then why do we allow it sold by the pack, the can, the pouch or singular cigars?

If it is so hazardous, why not tax it at $10 a pack or $20 or $50 a pack?  Why can we walk into any grocery, drug, liquor, 7-day, store or gas station and buy it?
Are you actually trying to say smoking isn't a health hazard?  Really?

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:09:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

Hitler was a Great Leader.

Most would be offended by that statement...but in fact, history shows without any influence...he was.



I can't tell whether you're serious, or whether you're joking there... to argue that someone was, or is, a 'great leader', you've got to give examples of the great and wonderful things they've achieved, preferably not at the expense of too many others. Good luck (I say this in the benevolent hope that your post was, indeed, tongue in cheek :-) .


"Great" is a word in every dictionary...it's clearly defined.

It's not up to me to clarify the definition....it's been defined...and Hitler met it.

He was a "Great" leader in most definitions.

He was also evil.

Lookie I am a bit confused.How would Hitler meet any dictionary's definition of great...even if we remove all the unspeakable horrows he visiten on Jews ,Gypsies,Homosexuals and countless others.Even if we confine the conversation to his leadership of the German people....he led them to ruin and destruction...how does any of that qualify as great?

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:11:55 PM   
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It's not up to me to clarify the definition....it's been defined...and Hitler met it.

He was a "Great" leader in most definitions.



Okay. In your opinion, he met the definition of being "a great leader". It's a fantastical opinion, but you're not alone in having it. I, for one, do not share it.

And Hitler didn't smoke, did he? Unless you count inhaling gas chamber fumes as smoking  ?


According to Wiki..."Adolf Hitler was a heavy smoker in his early life—he used to smoke 25 to 40 cigarettes daily—but gave up the habit, concluding it was a waste of money"

If he thought it was a waste of money back then, I wonder what he would have thought about todays prices?

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:14:46 PM   
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According to Wiki..."Adolf Hitler was a heavy smoker in his early life—he used to smoke 25 to 40 cigarettes daily—but gave up the habit, concluding it was a waste of money"



:I wonder if that contributed to his greatness?

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:17:23 PM   
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Kittin... I agree with much of what you say, manners wise but what bothers me is that the free market is not allowed (no pun) weed out itself and that in places like bars (in many states) for example, where children have no business, one cannot smoke a cigarette, a legal and heavly taxed product.

The point mde about bars is that the bartenders, wait staff, etc. can't escape the smoke.



Bartenders and wait staff are not slaves, nor are they well-paid.  Easy enough to work elsewhere if'n smoking cheeses you off. 
 
I am sick to death of being told I must accomodate the 'ultra-sensitive'.  Get a f**king grip already.
 
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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:21:49 PM   
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According to Wiki..."Adolf Hitler was a heavy smoker in his early life—he used to smoke 25 to 40 cigarettes daily—but gave up the habit, concluding it was a waste of money"



:I wonder if that contributed to his greatness?


Well people follwed him for a reason, though I could never understand it. Maybe he got so god awful bitchy after quitting, that they followed just to shut him up.  I'm thinking an assault weapon from the other thread would have been a lot more effective.

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:24:05 PM   
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In your opinion, he met the definition of being "a great leader".




         I'm sort of with Kitten on this (doesn't happen often, does it, Love?)  It would be pointless and counterproductive to pretend that Hitler was not an extremely effective leader, but choosing the word "great," is a matter of opinion I don't share.

        
            

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Kitten, I am going to preface this by saying, Hitler is the most terrible human being I can readily bring to mind.  But he was also regarded as an exceptional speaker, and motivated many people to do many things they would not do otherwise.  This, to me, is effective leadership, or "great" if you will.  It makes him no less evil to acknowledge this.  In fact, to recognize this, is to perhaps open our eyes to ways we could be manipulated to commit atrocities in the future.  Some people think Hitler was a great leader because they agree with him and would like to see his policies put into place here.  Some of us see what he did, and what he was, as both incredible and horrifying.  But yes, calling him "great" is inflammatory at best.

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:26:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only thing contributing to "his greatness" is revisionist history.Hitler was a psychotic thug who through a perfect storm of events was ,to the horror of untold millions, able to grab the levers of an industrial nation.Nothing more,nothing less.

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:27:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am personally very glad they are banning cig. smoking from more and more public buildings. 

I am trying to figure out what's the point about they are legal and heavily taxed, so is alcohol,  legal and heavily taxed, and you are not allowed to drink legally in many public areas and places that sell same have to be licensed to do so.  So the excuse its legal and you pay taxes on it  -- is not a reason you should be able to smoke where and when you choose.  There are many legal products you are not allowed to use wherever and whenever you wish.

Smoking goes beyond the smoker's personal space and starts invading others personal space. Think of it this way, as an example, would you like it if all the people who walked with hot coffee continuously allowed it to spill out and splash on everyone passing them?  Or if people decided to continuously throw their liquids in the air so it rained down all over you all the time, causing it to stain your clothes or burn your skin (hot drinks) or make your clothes smell for the rest of the day because of some smelly concoction someone was drinking?  Its the same concept.  Its about what someone is doing that is invading your personal space with what they are doing.  Smokers may think its no big deal because they already stink and live with the effects of smoking.  But those who don't smoke may not wish to stink of smoke or have trouble breathing etc.

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:27:48 PM   
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Maybe he got so god awful bitchy after quitting, that they followed just to shut him up. 


That's actually quite cute :-) .

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:30:41 PM   
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Smoking is a health hazard. 


This is what bothers me the most.

If Tobacco is such a hazard, then why are we allowing it to be produced and then taxing it so high?

To drastic?

Then why do we allow it sold by the pack, the can, the pouch or singular cigars?

If it is so hazardous, why not tax it at $10 a pack or $20 or $50 a pack?  Why can we walk into any grocery, drug, liquor, 7-day, store or gas station and buy it?
Are you actually trying to say smoking isn't a health hazard?  Really?



Some folks who smoke will become ill.  Some won't.  Folks who imbibe alcohol risk their liver -- you cannot live without a liver, Racquelle.
 
Folks make choices all the time about what risks they're willing to take for pleasure.  I have a girlfriend down south into cave diving -- talk about dangerous!
 
Why shouldn't *L* get to make a choice about *my* risks just like everyone else?  I happen to choose pleasure over fear.  If it someday kills me, well, everyone has to die of something.
 
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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:31:00 PM   
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        I'm sort of with Kitten on this (doesn't happen often, does it, Love?)  It would be pointless and counterproductive to pretend that Hitler was not an extremely effective leader, but choosing the word "great," is a matter of opinion I don't share.




Must the full moon, Rich :-) .

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:31:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm sure the Nazis had traffic laws too.  Doesn't mean there's a connection between societies that have traffic laws and Nazis.  I hear the Nazis ate strudel.  Hmmm I eat strudel, guess that makes me a Nazi!

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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:34:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		And some of those bars and pubs have closed because of a decline in patronage. Guess those bartenders and wait staff are pretty protected now. I was in the club business for a while and never heard  a bartender or wait staff complain about cig in a bar or club.


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Kittin... I agree with much of what you say, manners wise but what bothers me is that the free market is not allowed (no pun) weed out itself and that in places like bars (in many states) for example, where children have no business, one cannot smoke a cigarette, a legal and heavly taxed product.

The point mde about bars is that the bartenders, wait staff, etc. can't escape the smoke.



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RE: Anti Smoking... Nazis? - 11/12/2008 7:47:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf...I was in the club business for a while and never heard  a bartender or wait staff complain about cig in a bar or club. 
  You know, except for the ones who circulated the petitions, and filed the lawsuits and stuff.

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