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This is the thing: the baloney that Hitler 'got Germany back and running again'. Hitler had no defined economic policy, he nationalised industry, relied on slave labour, imported stolen food from occupied countries, bled his country dry with his enormous military spending, and you call that a success? We have different notions of what constitutes success: I'm just grateful he didn't have the opportunity to continue with his insane program.
Yes, I have no overt desire to speak German, so I suppose it's for the best that Hitler didn't succeed in taking over the rest of the world, not just the majority of Europe.
As to the rest of it.
Yes, Hitler nationalized industry. Oooohh, such a terrible thing to set some of the highest standards in manufacture and production ever in the history of industrialization. Hitler turned what was basically a giant scrap heap into one of the best run, best managed and most productive manufacturing systems the world has known. Pretty big accomplishment, since only the Romans, accomplishment to accomplishment, are able to surpass them. Even towards the end of teh war, when we were bombing his munitions and ball bearing plants almost hourly, Hitler was capable of producing more in a given day than all of America, and we were lead by the fearless and resolved Rosie the Riveter.
As to his 'economic plan', considering that he was cranking out the absolute best of the best when it came to tanks, namely the Panzer and the Tiger, and planes, especially the Me-102, I'd hazard a guess that since he was at war with the rest of the world at that moment, his economic plan was to build more tanks and planes faster and better than everyone else. Everyone applauds Lee Iacocca for doing the exact same thing to the auto industry, but yet when Hitler does it, it's such a horrendous concept.
Relied on slave labor, you say?
Uhmm, how do you think the industrialization of the Northern part of this country functioned prior to and during the Civil War, since we all know what the C.S.A. thought about slavery itself?
DING DING DING
That's right, little Susie, indentured servitude, which is a fancy way of saying VERY low paid, time limited slavery.
His food stores, oddly enough, were quite stable before he turned his sights on Austria, which was 5 or 6 years after he took office. Nope, I think this whole concept of 'imported stolen food' is a bit of a misnomer there, but I could be wrong. Maybe he was doing blitzkreig raids over the borders and stealing corn and turnips from the poor, defenseless Pols.
And now for the last point.
Gernmany was not even close to being bled dry. Yes, the Panzer division ran out of fuel, but that is mainly due to the Russian campaign, not to his insistance of driving everywhere. The factories that we were slowly and surely reducing to so much rubble were not going to rebuild themselves over night. Of course his wartime monies were drawing short, but did you happen to notice that only East Germany, under the Soviet Bloc, actually stagnated and shriveled up, while West Germany, which had much more access to the funds the unified Germany had during the war, actually prospered? It's called trade and free enterprise. Naturally it took some time to retrofit the plants into something other than war machine juggernauts, but the same thing happened in the U.S. after the war. I notice that little tidbit somehow didn't make it into your argument.
You take a country with over a 50% unemployment rate, little to no industrial capabilities, wide spread starvation and a total and complete apathy over their continued future and in roughly a decade, turn it into a nation that accomplished what it did.
You do that, and I will say the exact same thing about you.
What I said is based on the merits of what he did with as little as he started with and what he accomplished because of it. It took the U.S. over a decade just to recover from a depression, not a total gutting of the entire country, as is what happened to Germany due to the Treaty of Versaille. Look at how utterly damning those accords were and the restrictions it placed on Germany after WWI.
I am not saying, and never will, that the man was a saint. Good gods, with all the prejudices he had against the Jews and the gypsies, it's a wonder the man didn't implode before he ascended to office. His insistance that Eva urinate on him leaves a lot to wonder in his mental structure and capacity. But judging what he accomplished in a purely analytical manner, you ca't help but marvel at what he did with Germany.
Did I mention that there was no price gouging allowed, and the penalty for such actions against the German populace was just as severe as the one for being gay or jewish?
The things he allowed to be done, or at least condoned, while in power were at the very least horrific. The things he accomplsihed with that power are staggering.
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