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undergroundsea -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 9:35:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze
I don't get that at all, I think the OP was friendly and courteous to the men who responded, because her sexual preferences are not men doesn't mean she dislikes them.


We might have read different posts then. I do sense a chip on the shoulder. It is not because her sexual preference is not men, but because of the negative energy I have sensed in her references or comments to men.

Cheers,

Sea




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 9:47:17 AM)

I am sad that this thread has so much longevity.  Can NO ONE think of something else to talk about? 




darchChylde -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 9:47:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VeryCurious07

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ORIGINAL: beeble

That you should try to force this closed-mindedness on everybody else in this forum by seeking to suppress the contribution of men here is repugnant.  That you should try to paint people's objections to this as men repressing you and disrespecting your sexuality is disgusting hypocrisy.  Fuck you.



while I agree with some of the things you say, is there really a need to be so disrespectful and flame the woman for her views? I get that you don't agree with her, but you accuse her of being disrespectul and then you post this?


Actually, when one demands respect and moves on to treat others with disrespect; well both action prove that the person is unworthy of respect.  I find beeble's response to be very appropriate to the situation.

edited to add:  as i don't know FloridaMistress personally, I would like to say that I do not mean to say that she is entirely unworthy of disrespect but that the attitude she has shared in this thread has done little to help her cause and possibly even hurt it.  Besides, many of us can be an ass when it comes to a subject we feel passionately about; I know I have certainly been guilty of this.  So I don't entirely fault her for it, but yes; her tone in this thread truly invited disrespect.




RedMagic1 -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 9:51:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am sad that this thread has so much longevity.  Can NO ONE think of something else to talk about? 

Well, I was going to challenge Madame4a to a merkin-modeling contest.....[;)]




FloridaMistresse -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 9:54:01 AM)

Well it seems that the tack of this thread is to take a personal attack on Me. To tell Me what I am, feel, lack in My life, have experienced etc, even though not one person on this board knows Me or My life or those in it. I can assure you that My life is rife with fulfillment, but I do not need to justify that to an online forum. If you want to disagree with My views, I totally support that. However,I have never attacked anyone personally, simply shared My views, which quite frankly I am entitled to.
I came onto these boards for some constructive feedback to an issue I wanted to address in My real life, so that I could enhance O/our relationship ( My slaves and Mine) seemed harmless enough. I wanted a certain POV, again did not think that was anyones business but My own,  did not think that I was a bad person for wanting a certain POV. I still don't.  If the flavor of these boards is to personally attack those that do not agree with you,(denied, F--- You, chip on your shoulder etc.) then I have truly made a mistake.
Ciao~




LadyPact -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:05:45 AM)

Not to stir what is already a steaming pot, but I am curious about something.

Would there have been a difference if, in the real basis where all of this came from, it would have been specified that the subject matter was about same sex D/s?  If the content would have stated that this question was coming from the basis of a F/f dynamic, might that have changed who responded to the question in particular?  Does the sexual orientation change the view?

One thing someone pointed out was the question of was the real issue gender or which side of the kneel a person was on.  Personally, I've learned just as much from male Dominants as I have female ones.  In fact, it's probably been more.




PeonForHer -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:09:00 AM)

FM,

Point of info - I did apologise, above, for that "denied" earlier.  It was indeed rude of me to have put it that way.

When all's said and done, these CM boards are populated by some of the most intelligent, knowledgeable and open-minded people I've ever seen.  In fact, I can't think of any other site that comes close to it.

Why don't we all start again?  Whatever your views, or those of others, on this present matter, I'm sure you'll benefit a lot by posting and talking to people here.  And I've no doubt others will benefit from your words, too.






sirsholly -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:12:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FloridaMistresse

quote:

ORIGINAL: beeble

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FloridaMistresse wrote:
What this thread really smacks of to Me is what I and many other gay women get from men constantly: "Oh you really would enjoy sex with me if you tried it. you do not know what your missing honey, you need a real man to fix that itch baby. Oh Mistress I would please you like no one else ever has I promise. "

No.  If you want to use this analogy, use it correctly.  Requesting that no men post to the thread you started is not equivalent to saying, `I am a lesbian so I don't want to have sex with men.'  It is equivalent to saying, `You must all be lesbians and none of you may have sex with men.'

Who you have sex with is entirely your choice.  It is a choice I respect and which I would never try to influence.  However, your refusal to even consider thant men might be able to offer an insight is closed-minded, sexist and sad.  That you should try to force this closed-mindedness on everybody else in this forum by seeking to suppress the contribution of men here is repugnant.  That you should try to paint people's objections to this as men repressing you and disrespecting your sexuality is disgusting hypocrisy.  Fuck you.

beeble.



I see you have resorted to the male level of respect that I have so grown to expect.


this speaks volumes.[8|]




beeble -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:17:13 AM)

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beeble wrote:
That you should try to force this closed-mindedness on everybody else in this forum by seeking to suppress the contribution of men here is repugnant.  That you should try to paint people's objections to this as men repressing you and disrespecting your sexuality is disgusting hypocrisy.  Fuck you.

VeryCurious07 wrote:
while I agree with some of the things you say, is there really a need to be so disrespectful and flame the woman for her views?

I feel that my remarks were appropriate in the context and I stand by them.  Specifically, that context includes an awful lot of careful explanation by me (and others) of why the OP is unreasonable in her expectations of how a forum such as this `should' work, an awful lot of sexism and role-based prejudice on the part of the OP and, to top it off, accusing me of repression when I argued against her statements that, because she is not interested in the opinion of men, men's views should be suppressed from whole threads.  In most contexts, as I think my posting record here demonstrates, I would not post in that way.

quote:

I get that you don't agree with her, but you accuse her of being disrespectul and then you post this?

I believe that it is appropriate to express my disrespect for a specific person, based on specific actions taken by that person and specific views held by them, especially when that person was the one who raised the issue of respect in the first place.

beeble.




stella41b -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:19:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FloridaMistresse

Well it seems that the tack of this thread is to take a personal attack on Me. To tell Me what I am, feel, lack in My life, have experienced etc, even though not one person on this board knows Me or My life or those in it. I can assure you that My life is rife with fulfillment, but I do not need to justify that to an online forum. If you want to disagree with My views, I totally support that. However,I have never attacked anyone personally, simply shared My views, which quite frankly I am entitled to.
I came onto these boards for some constructive feedback to an issue I wanted to address in My real life, so that I could enhance O/our relationship ( My slaves and Mine) seemed harmless enough. I wanted a certain POV, again did not think that was anyones business but My own, did not think that I was a bad person for wanting a certain POV. I still don't. If the flavor of these boards is to personally attack those that do not agree with you,(denied, F--- You, chip on your shoulder etc.) then I have truly made a mistake.
Ciao~


What did you expect? That we'd all fall into line and collectively respond with 'Yes Ma'am, right away Ma'am'? A tad unrealistic, don't you think?

You came in as you came in, if you choose to take it personally then please feel free to do so, but you've got to admit that your issues concerning men stand out like a sore thumb and this is what everyone is objecting to, they're not attacking you as a person. Does having such an issue make you a bad person? No, it just makes you someone with an issue, that's all. Good people have issues too.

Yes you are entitled to your views, and you've had just as much audience as everyone else here, you've had the constructive viewpoints you wanted, you've had other views which you didn't want, other views you didn't agree with, and a few flames thrown in for good measure. Welcome to the message boards, this is what being on the message boards is all about.

So why the fight and the struggle? Why the confrontation? What are you trying to prove? What is it that we're not reading in your posts? What is the part of the message that we're not getting? Do you know? Can you explain it?

So now it's gone from a few posters to all the male posters and now to everyone, right? We're all wrong and you're right? Is that it? We're all against you, right?

I've got some advice here, and that advice is to take a chill pill. I mean this most sincerely, chill out, relax. Yes these boards are far from perfect and if you go around looking for negativity you will find it without much effort. But if you focus on the positive you might actually find that this is one of the most welcoming and supportive message boards you can find on the Internet.

And please don't take this personally.




MsStarlett -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:28:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b
And please don't take this personally.


Well... She can take this personally.... FM is now the very first female to make my "Ignore this asshat" list.  And I will not look at any threads started by her, even to see what my friends are saying.  I don't believe in fighting on the internet.  I chose to disagree with this person.  This is a wonderful Free Country and a Free internet.  She may chose to believe anything she wants.  I just chose not to waste any more of my time trying to be sympothetic with her. 




beeble -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:32:39 AM)

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FloridaMistresse wrote: I have never attacked anyone personally


quote:

FloridaMistresse wrote: I see you have resorted to the male level of respect that I have so grown to expect.

FloridaMistresse wrote: What this thread really smacks of to Me is what I and many other gay women get from men constantly:  "Oh you really would enjoy sex with me if you tried it. [...]"





undergroundsea -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:43:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


I appreciate your post to promote positive energy and support your motion ;-)

Cheers,

Sea




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 10:44:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am sad that this thread has so much longevity.  Can NO ONE think of something else to talk about? 

Well, I was going to challenge Madame4a to a merkin-modeling contest.....[;)]



I KNEW you would come up with a solution!!  [:D]




CatdeMedici -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 11:31:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FloridaMistresse

How do you feel about men responding to a post on Ask a Mistress?

Should they respect that it is addresses to "A Mistress" not "A Male"

Or is it an open forum to too bad so sad they get to respond even though they are not the ones being asked?

Thoughts?  I would just respectfully ask that any responses are not bashing, be open share your thoughts and feelings, but please be respectful of one another.



I respond to "ask a Master" so I see nothing wrong with it, I don't see it as the ladies room but merely a different dominant preference.




LadyPact -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 12:16:44 PM)

Not so long ago, there was a thread in I can't remember which section.  It was from someone new who was entering the lifestyle for the first time.  This person happened to be starting out in the same location I did.  I am not male, nor have I ever kept girls, but I had information about times and places that he might receive what he was looking for.  Should My gender have prevented giving such knowlegde?




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 1:09:32 PM)

i skipped most of this thread's contents, so regardless, if i revisit something already made note of...

the mistress forum was the first one i ended up in, i didn't go looking for it, i didn't even know i was in it; i was on CM's front page perusing profiles and i noted that little box in the lower left hand corner had a post of interest to me that i felt like voicing myself about.  keep in mind this is something everyone on CM sees, not just people who expressly come into the mistress forum; all i saw was the thread title and the first lines of the latest post.  that box has lead me to many divisions and threads, but one thing holds true about that little box's contents; i didn't and still do not care where the thread may lie, if the topic is of interest to me i'll post on it.

after initially posting though, and coming to realize i was in fact in the forum entitled "ask a mistress", i did become somewhat leery about continuing to do so and made my way into "where i'm supposed to be".  despite my attempt to hang around the submissive forum though, i had an exceedingly small amount of interest in it, as it is predominately all female subs replying to questions regarding "masters" or questions of other female subs.  i didn't belong there, couldn't hardly relate to any of it, let alone have anything to contribute, and so i didn't care to hang around much; while the mistress forum on the other hand had many topics and people of interest to me which i could relate to, so time to time i would find myself posting here, yet still be timid of people's reactions in my doing so. 

in voicing my concern over the awkwardness i had one day, every mistress here that cared to comment invited me to feel welcome and continue to post, let me know i should feel free to do so in anywhere i'd like, and encouraging me to offer my input in other boards such as general and even "ask a master" of all places.  grateful for such response from many of the others here, i damn sure intended to continue to contribute whenever i felt i had something to, or believed others might like to hear; even though i was disheartened by a few people at one point and disappeared for a while [due to a circumstance both uninvolved with me being submissive or male, and by posters who did/do not frequent this forum].

for the most part though, it says "in the hope of receiving answers from that particular perspective", regardless of who is saying what, we are all providing them that because it all the perspective we all have.  beyond that, both the master and submissive/slave forum is so saturated by dominant men and submissive women, that this forum is pretty much the unintended home for people like me, and i think many of the mistresses realize it is that way too, as they very often will pose a question or though to the mistresses among them, as well as an adverse question to the submissives to give feedback on.  it's not as though "we" come on here and speak from the viewpoint of a mistress, we offer up our own advice/opinions/viewpoints/experiences in the forum which holds the most interest, pertinence, and relevance to us; it is after all the mistress forum for gods sake, it's going to draw "this" audience, and would likely be less interesting to everyone if it only consisted of a stark segregated crowd.

but really, the forums are a community of like-minded individuals engaging in conversation, this is the subforum in which we're able to find those who are even more closely like-minded, and despite the forum being titled "ask a mistress", "we" are no less entitled to post our thoughts than the "mistresses" are required to answer anyone's questions.  it's not a public service anyone is here to perform, we're all here because we want to be, to mull and muse under most circumstances, and anyone truly interested in getting "answers" should be happy to have the diversity this forum is provided, while the diversity we are afforded is still part of "the same crowd".




LadyEllen -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 1:16:46 PM)

The more philosophical question I've been pondering with regard to this thread is, "am I bovered?"

E




darchChylde -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 1:20:15 PM)

*read hopelesslyInvo's post*

Very well, and diplomatically put.

See, I can recognize diplomacy even if I seldom use it.




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: Should men be responding to Ask a Mistress? (11/18/2008 2:00:22 PM)

thanks~

lol, you know... at one point i used to wait to post in a thread to see if you would first?  that way i wouldn't be the only guy to do so, and because everyone here was always so accepting of having you around it made me worry less they would question my posting here.  you have to wonder what the hell was i so afraid people might actually say to do things like that.  [:D]




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