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ORIGINAL: MissIsis

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ORIGINAL: Kindandcruel
A Master has an in-depth understanding of psychology, physiology of the human body, understands responsibility and integrity, understands who he is, has an extensive amount of life experience, does not have temper tantrums, thinks before he administers any punishment, knows when to stop the play, knows the difference between childish behavior and internal resistance, know there is more to training than just beating and punishing a slave, and that sex is only a small part of the whole. 

I have to say I do agree with this.  There is playing around, but I have met few who aspire to what is written above, & I highly respect those that do.  No, there are no classes to get there, no seminars, no degrees.  Getting to that place, & this is only my opinion, takes a certain amount of life knowledge from that school of hard knocks.   It takes screwing up, & learning to admit mistakes, and learning how to not make them again.  And yes, some young people are much older than their years, but I don't see many who have the kind of wisdom & temperance that Kindandcruel is referring to.

Well maybe its just me but I know a lot of younger people who have all the qualities mentioned above and then some. I know people my age who not only embrace all those things but do so without the cynisism or elitism that some of these posts have in them.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

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ORIGINAL: MissIsis
Getting to that place, & this is only my opinion, takes a certain amount of life knowledge from that school of hard knocks. 

I can understand how this may appeal to a great many people.  In turn, can you understand how a great many people would view this as a personal preference (that may or may not reflect the reality of an individual) that seeks to define all "Masters" (and power exchange relationships), and why we may dismiss it as the expression of one man's ideal?
 
John

Yes, I did put on here, that it was "only my opinion".

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Long live sex!  I frankly get tired of the anti-sex brigade and do my best to have sex at clubs as often as I can.  Back when my partner was local, I was jokingly called "the naked dom" because I got naked so often when I played and fucked at parties.  Now that I have someone local again, I look forward to reviving a bit of that reputation.

As an aside each to their own and yes i know i don't have to go in a club where sex is acceptable and i don't.

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I still sort of amazed the historical misconceptions of the history involved.

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

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I still sort of amazed the historical misconceptions of the history involved.

I'm always amazed it matters so much.
Old, new, sex, no sex, young, old - who gives a fuck as long as we are all happy doing it our own way.

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ORIGINAL: Rover

Seriously, the issue here is one of superiority and ignorance.  That's why it's so difficult to understand. 
 
Those with a need to feel superior (maybe a self-esteem issue?) portray one type of power exchange relationship as *better than* another type (or all other types).  It's just another version of the "one true way".  I often find this common amongst folks newer to BDSM, but it can be found elsewhere as well.
 
Often times it's justified by portraying it as some "purer", more "traditional" form of BDSM that has its origins in the distant past.  And that would be great, if it had any truth to it.  But it's just a fabrication.  Of course, you know that and I know that, and it gets rather tedious trying to teach those who don't know about it.
 
Jay Wiseman gets quite a kick out of my penchant for the term "consensual ignorance", and that's what it is.  People who don't want to know the facts, because they only get in the way of a good story.
 
John

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
*giggle* Us darn young whippersnappers...

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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Maybe because you are young yourself so therefore would know more younger people?

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Around his knee? Can't I be on it?

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefiance

I'm just confused by where the acccountability is?  If 'you' want protocol -  incorporate it.  Unless 'you' have a follower's mentality, and/or require a generic group approval, what difference does it make what others are doing or what the median mindset is? 

Edited to add disclaimer:  'you' in these post is the generic you, not in response to Darcyandthe.dark. or any person(s) in particular. 

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I believe you have hit the nail on the head there Winsome.  It is the case that many people are followers or want to seem like they are leaders.  Not only that, but most people want to be in the best and be seen in/to be the best.  If it wasn't, then there would not be a need for any seperate movements, no need for the whole label debate, no need to suggest that one thing was/is better than another.  Particularly if those people have either been around for a while or if they are new to the whole place.
 
Accountability is pretty much nil when you can blame things on something you can try and seperate yourself from.
 
the.dark.

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FR ~
What I find most astounding are that people that advocate these so called 'old ways', you know, the days when protocol was the be and end of all and everyone was professionally trained etcetcetc... (yes said very tongue in cheek) are usually the first in line advising younger people (ergo - those under the age of 29) to not get into anything serious too fast, that they should experiment and not rush head long into things.  That they should watch out for frenzy and getting collared too fast.  That they should test the waters, experiment and yes - play around!  Get a feel, try everything .blah.blah.blah.
 
It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you do not.
 
the.dark.

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ORIGINAL: WhiplashSmile2

Oooooo... Ooooooooo... new label....  "the leader follower Dominant"...  it's a bit like how all the kids wear the same kinds of clothes to prove how original and different they are, doing their own thing.