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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 7:40:14 PM   
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Ahhhh, but your master would not know the extra ways to truly make you feel like a toy if he did not know you well enough to completely top you from the inside out.  To truly make a woman into your toy, you must know her hopes and her fears.  You can not do that with a stranger.


Maybe you can't, but that doesn't mean that others can't.  When he chooses to play with someone else and just wants to use them as a toy, it is for his pleasure.  He uses them in the way he wants, who they are is irrelevant to that.  What matters is that they consent to being used for his pleasure.  Not many are willing to do that after they see him play.

If he wants to play with someone and feel  the deep connection, then he will choose to play with Alandra or I.  However, he doesn't need a connection/bond with someone else in order to use them as a toy.  To compare the two is like comparing apples to oranges. 

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 8:42:13 PM   
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I had written on another thread about the need to see your sub as not just a toy.  Fellow Doms, don't get me wrong, she is there to serve and to please, but, to truly get the most out of her I believe that there must be a mental connection when vertical before play begins.  As such, she trusts you more and you explore her more fully.  I find that I simply get bored with subs who have nothing to themselves.  So my question to the Doms and the subs out there is:


to get the most?   Franky.. I don't care about getting the most... I am more interested in getting what I want.  I own a car... you know something I don't really care that it can go 0-60 in 15 seconds.. or even if it can.  I own that car because it serves what I want it to do.  So often we go into that show room to buy a car and generally for me I know what I want and what I want to spend.  But.. so often it comes with this and that I don't really care for one way or another.. but it's just part of the package.  I go and get cable for my TV and damn.. there are more channels that I don't ever watch but.. I have the package I have because it has the ones I do want.  Who knows.. maybe I might find one of those extra useful some day.. maybe I will develop a want for it.  But in the end.. I am not interested in watching every channel on my TV... using every option on my car.. I am just going to use what I want.

I find it rather Ironic that some Doms are so busy trying to get the most of their sub... that I wonder who is domming who.  I can just image " oh master I can do this too"... as master runs to sub and uses this new option that sub has revealed.  That just isn't me.... I use what I want.... "what you can suck a golf ball through a garden hose?.... well dear... if I ever get my golf ball stuck in my garden hose I will call you... but for now bend over!"


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To the Doms:
Which play is better and more satisfying to you?  Do you prefer to have the totally disposable little toy?  Or, do you find that breaking in one that you actually care for as a person is more of a challenge and produces more of a gain?  I suppose that the way that I phrased that indicates my preference...


neither is more generally satisfying or better than the other... what is best is the one that will give me what I want!  It doesn't get much more simplier than that.

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To both:
Obviously both have thier place depending on the scene and the appetite, but which really makes it for you?


neither makes it for me...  What makes it for me... is the scene that gives me what I want!

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 9:00:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Your philosophy is certainly in direct counterpoint to my own.  I find it interesting that you feel that you do not get what you want by taking the time to know your sub well.  I hear you, and I am not trying to put you down in any way.  In counterpoint though, I submit that you did not get what I was going for.  A violinist wants to play a certain piece.  To do so, he must know and respect his instrument.  A strange instrument does not respond to his touch the way *his* instrument does.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 9:36:15 PM   
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Your philosophy is certainly in direct counterpoint to my own.  I find it interesting that you feel that you do not get what you want by taking the time to know your sub well.  I hear you, and I am not trying to put you down in any way.  In counterpoint though, I submit that you did not get what I was going for.  A violinist wants to play a certain piece.  To do so, he must know and respect his instrument.  A strange instrument does not respond to his touch the way *his* instrument does.


Clearly you didn't hear or understand it... not sure why.... it was rather straight forward.

NOwhere did I say or imply that I do not get what i want by taking the time to know my girls well.   I find it amusing that you can even jump to this kind of conclusion...  I have to wonder if you are so closed minded on your own opinions that you can''t actually hear anything but your own ideas.

to be clear!!! I get what I want when I choose to play with someone... the connection is rather irrelevant!.... But, what I want is rather diverse... I been in a relationship with Alandra for 20 plus years.. and Kyra over 3 1/2 years... I have played with more than a few others about a dozen plus maybe two... lost count not sure..... in all the Scenes I have had with all these people...I recieved what I wanted from them... because when I play with someone... I will get what I want.  I don't need to know everything about them.... I only need to know that this instrument is capable to play the piece of music that I want to play.  A talented Top can take an instrument and pull out of it the music he wants.   So often I see Tops that just can't pull much out of a bottom.  It has nothing to do with the bottom and everything to do with the talents of the Top.  Granted... some bottoms just can't play certain pieces of music for one reason or another... just like some Tops can't play certain bottoms for one reason or another.

It just might be that you are limited in the type of music you can play unless you know your bottom... Frankly, this is not surprizing since many individuals... particularly bottoms feel this way.  But... not everyone is cut from the same cloth and can only walk this path.  I do known bottoms that will be left wanting after a Top has played them... even though the Top is well aware of what the bottom can do.  I have known Tops that can use a bottom and be done with her like she is snack and only stirred the Tops cravings to greater heights.  Your ideas are good for you.. but I find them naive and something from someone of moderate experiences at best.  Since, one with enough experince or maybe just enough wisdom will understand that there are many roads to Rome... no one road being better than the other universally.. hopefully it is best for those tht choose to travel the road they are on.  Unfortuantely,  more than a few have travelled the wrong path for themselves.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 9:53:19 PM   
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I tried playing with a stranger - it left me feeling cold and unfulfilled and won't be happening again.  Don't get me wrong - this was a very good, very experienced Top.  It just didn't work for me.

I do play casually, but only with people I know well.  That way we have an emotional connection and that makes the play much more satisfying.

But the best play is with 'my' Dom - someone I'm striving to please, and who I know cares for me.  Even if I'm being used like a toy by this person, I know it's part of the bigger game and I can join in with enthusiasm.  Sometimes it's very personal, very intense, very focussed and totally mind-blowing.

But then again, that's just me.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 10:22:10 PM   
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Clearly you didn't hear or understand it... not sure why.... it was rather straight forward.

NOwhere did I say or imply that I do not get what i want by taking the time to know my girls well.   I find it amusing that you can even jump to this kind of conclusion...  I have to wonder if you are so closed minded on your own opinions that you can''t actually hear anything but your own ideas.

to be clear!!! I get what I want when I choose to play with someone... the connection is rather irrelevant!.... But, what I want is rather diverse... I been in a relationship with Alandra for 20 plus years.. and Kyra over 3 1/2 years... I have played with more than a few others about a dozen plus maybe two... lost count not sure..... in all the Scenes I have had with all these people...I recieved what I wanted from them... because when I play with someone... I will get what I want.  I don't need to know everything about them.... I only need to know that this instrument is capable to play the piece of music that I want to play.  A talented Top can take an instrument and pull out of it the music he wants.   So often I see Tops that just can't pull much out of a bottom.  It has nothing to do with the bottom and everything to do with the talents of the Top.  Granted... some bottoms just can't play certain pieces of music for one reason or another... just like some Tops can't play certain bottoms for one reason or another.

It just might be that you are limited in the type of music you can play unless you know your bottom... Frankly, this is not surprizing since many individuals... particularly bottoms feel this way.  But... not everyone is cut from the same cloth and can only walk this path.  I do known bottoms that will be left wanting after a Top has played them... even though the Top is well aware of what the bottom can do.  I have known Tops that can use a bottom and be done with her like she is snack and only stirred the Tops cravings to greater heights.  Your ideas are good for you.. but I find them naive and something from someone of moderate experiences at best.  Since, one with enough experince or maybe just enough wisdom will understand that there are many roads to Rome... no one road being better than the other universally.. hopefully it is best for those tht choose to travel the road they are on.  Unfortuantely,  more than a few have travelled the wrong path for themselves.
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After re-reading your post, you are correct that I possibly jumped to an improper conclusion.  For that I apologize.

However, your tone leaves much to be desired.  One might get the impression that you are implying that I leave my subs unsatisfied, which is rude to say the least.  Surely, you do not think that I will be impressed or cowed by such bluster.  It shows a rather intense degree of insecurity on your part to react so violently to the polite tone that I have used.

As to the many roads to Rome, and your other butchered highway metaphors, I am duly un-impressed.  If one can not discuss different views without getting into a pissing war, there is little point.  I put out my view.  You have put out yours. I never set out to insult you.  You however come at me with insults and frankly poor writing.  In many ways we are saying the same thing - the operative difference is in what it is that we want and how we go about taking it.  If you have your house in order, which I do not doubt, then good for you.  It is unwise of you however, to believe that other views - other paths to Rome, to use your metaphor - are ineffective. 

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 11:08:03 PM   
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However, your tone leaves much to be desired.  One might get the impression that you are implying that I leave my subs unsatisfied, which is rude to say the least.  Surely, you do not think that I will be impressed or cowed by such bluster.  It shows a rather intense degree of insecurity on your part to react so violently to the polite tone that I have used.


actually.. it is more contempt for individual such as yourself that like to come out on to the boards and make a big splash about how things should be or are in this Lifestyle.  Individuals like yourself are dime a dozen... and you will either learn that your way is your way and not THE way... or you will move on like so many before you and many more to come.

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As to the many roads to Rome, and your other butchered highway metaphors, I am duly un-impressed.  If one can not discuss different views without getting into a pissing war, there is little point.  I put out my view.  You have put out yours. I never set out to insult you.  You however come at me with insults and frankly poor writing.  In many ways we are saying the same thing - the operative difference is in what it is that we want and how we go about taking it.  If you have your house in order, which I do not doubt, then good for you.  It is unwise of you however, to believe that other views - other paths to Rome, to use your metaphor - are ineffective. 


Well.. I am not concerned about your impression.. positively or negatively.   If you feel insulted... well that is your issue not mine.  Nor do I think it neccessary for you to apologize... since I don't see a need for it... but maybe you do.

Yes... I very much understand that there are various roads... and I hope people choose the road that is best them.  I know many of the roads.. but most importantly.. I know the road that is best for me.  What others think is the best road for them is for them to decide... I don't care.  But.. I will not sit by and listen to someone that attempts to project a one way... they get my contempt and nothing more or less.

For example.....
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  I believe that there must be a mental connection when vertical before play begins. 


this speaks of one way that it is hard to even begin to swallow.  Fact is... It obviously true to say that "you believe that you require a mental connection before play begins"  However.. this is not true for everyone... It's true for many as I said.. but not everyone.  There are many other things that are possible.  Maybe you don't intent to communicate in this manner... but after reading several of your posts... it is clearly your style.  I akin your style to the zealot preacher speaking his beliefs that he thinks everyone should believe.  Actually.. this style is not so uncommon... particular when someone reaches a point that they are finding what works for themselves.. but they are just forgeting that not everyone works the same way as they become so absorbed by there own self awareness.  I dare say that many if not most of us have went through this stage at one time or another... and hopefully it is a short stage... otherwise it can be very frustrating to our friends around us.  To long stuck in that rut... one might find the friendship becoming thinner and much more difficult to make new ones.

In the end... Take what you want from these forums and leave the rest... life is much to short to get all emotional feeling insulted from a forum such as this.  But.. I suppose some have thin skin... I forget that sometimes... since mine is not so thin.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/18/2008 11:21:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Then perhaps we should call a stance of non-aggression.   You are quite correct that message boards are not worth the fight.  Though seriously, when you speak of zealotry, I am entertained at the irony.  Perhaps, you speak a little strongly about how you do it.  To say that having a mental connection before play is "hard to swallow" is certainly an entrenched view of your own.   You have your subs and I have mine.  I run my house the way I see appropriate.  You surely do the same in yours.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 12:40:26 AM   
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Frankly your tone in this post is a touch insulting...and im in no way referring to KoM...thats between the two of you...may the better man win....woulda packed popcorn if id known there'd be a duel today...

Here is why i find insult in your post....
Simply because you may not be able to illicit the full extent of what you want from a toy doesnt mean she has no depth. i only play casually with people that i have seen play...this is because i cant count on the intellectual acuity i require in "my" dominant to be the same acuity level as everyone else on the dungeon floor...but until i find this elusive creature; play, i will. i need to know, not only, if i have what this top needs to get from me...but also, if he has the talent to bring that up in me with no emotional attachment other than being friends in the dungeon.
i have played with truely sadistic artists and i have played with men who own toys...What an artist can draw out of me in 2 hours is leagues apart from what the other can. If i believe him to be accurate, intuitive, perceptive and willing to use what information he has to better the scene as a whole...i can fly as high as he wishes to take me and crash gracefully to the floor at his feet. (i cling desparately to the graceful part of that statement, as i am generally halfway passed out at that point) i dont need to know the name of his favorite pet he had as a child and the disposition of said pet to enjoy him beating my ass to a pulp...nor does he need to know the name of my prom date and whether i put out and what happened the next day, to accept his punishment.

A scene can be artwork or it can be refridgerator magnet food....i am the paint and the canvas and the end result....i am not the brush or the arm or mind behind it. i can be as beautiful as he can make me or i can be untouched, unphased and generally unimpressed/unimpressive. Where does the fault lie if i come out the other side completely unphased and unchanged?

my role as toy is fulfilled when i step up to the cross...where he takes me, depends entirely on him.


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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 6:19:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DoctorJeep

Then perhaps we should call a stance of non-aggression.  


call it what you will... It matters little to me.

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You are quite correct that message boards are not worth the fight.  Though seriously, when you speak of zealotry, I am entertained at the irony.  Perhaps, you speak a little strongly about how you do it.  To say that having a mental connection before play is "hard to swallow" is certainly an entrenched view of your own.


A feather is a poor choice of tools to bring down a wall, particularly if one is pressed for time.  It's been my experience that the tool that is most effective and efficient tool to use when faced with the zealot preacher is something that is as narrow and focused as they are.   Usually I don't expect much results beyond them going the other direction.  Which suits me fine since I have nothing but contempt for there general attitude in the first place.  But, every now and again the wall splits and one can look at using different tools that involve more of the soft touch.

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You have your subs and I have mine.  I run my house the way I see appropriate.  You surely do the same in yours.


Yes... I have a couple girls.. based on your profile... I was lead to believe you were looking and didn't have one in the toy box.  But yes you seem to gather the point that everyone has their own way.. but there is no one way that is the best for all... only the best for that person.  However, if you want put out a logical position of why there is a One way for all!  I am interested in listening... though I am not hopeful such position will ever be sound but it maybe amusing.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 6:19:23 AM   
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Well said again, I am not arguing the use of the "You are my toy" session.  I am arguing however, that even those sessions require the other in order to reach thier full potential.  You can not top a stranger the way you can top a devoted sub.



While I will concur that the processes are different for topping a stranger for single-scene play and long-term development of service discipline, you give the impression here that one is substantially -better- than the other. Perhaps for you this is the case, but like most things that come up on boards that hold such a broad range of people practicing WIITWD, that opinion is not universal.

I do not need to 'get into' my bottom's head to have a profound experience in a scene -- it really can be all about the body, the beauty, and the blood, with both of us in our own little worlds (within the boundaries of my responsibility to make sure the bottom is ok while we play -- even at that point where xhe isn't hooked in to good decision-making space). That's one of the things that I really -love- about casual play... I can get into the blood and the -art- of it. With our own servants, the connection itself slows things down... because I'm already -in- my servant's head, I'm much more aware of little nuances of behavior that slow me down and cause me to spend a lot of the scene time that I'm playing with a long-term disciple "in our heads".... when I'm topping someone I only play casually... a 'toy', if you prefer the term... one advantage to -both- of us is that it is really a distinctly physical/super-physical experience... the head is out of the picture (both the bottom's and my own) except in admiration of the art that we create together in flesh and blood... and that really kind of takes on a life of its own.

While something may be preferred by one individual or a group of individuals, that does -not- mean that it is automatically -less- preferred (or should be less preferred) by everyone. Though I think it's really cool to hear what other people enjoy, I think it's -not- so cool to hear other people comment about how it can "never be the same" or "never be 'real'" unless you do it the way that they prefer. I can tell you that, whether it's a one-time toy, or a long-term servant, it is every bit as real in both situations... it is -different-, but different does -not- imply "better" or "worse"... it is what it is, and it is good, either way.


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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 7:03:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		To the Subs:  Would you rather be chewed up and spit out or, would you rather have a Dom who sees you and into you where you have developed a more serious bond?

to be repeatedly chewed up and spat out would suggest that a sub might have some 'self worth' issues to work on - i cant imagine anyone wishing that for themselves on an on-going basis.
 
some subs (early on) may have a problem submitting to being used - but usually that wears off when they understand that to be used is in some deep core way, answering their need to submit on that level (not for all but for some).  to enjoy it successfully i think, a sub needs to be pretty strong and sure of who they are.  done well it can be very very settling and cathartic.
 
a more serious bond is always good - it can lead to so much more, push deeper levels through trust and expand limits that possibly a stranger would be unwilling to take someone - but id still want to be used by my M.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 7:05:37 AM   
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my role as toy is fulfilled when i step up to the cross...where he takes me, depends entirely on him.


Exactly.  I get that even though I have not played with anyone other than him. 

If someone wants to be or use a toy without the mental and emotional connection, then playing with someone you have a connnection with cannot fulfill that desire.

It is different and it is unrealistic to expect it to be the same. 

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 7:14:50 AM   
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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 7:23:04 AM   
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To the Doms:

Which play is better and more satisfying to you?  Do you prefer to have the totally disposable little toy?  Or, do you find that breaking in one that you actually care for as a person is more of a challenge and produces more of a gain?  I suppose that the way that I phrased that indicates my preference...

As an observer to this thread, it seems not only your preference, but your opinion that it should be everyone's preference. Did you ask the question for the sake of arguing what others prefer?

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To the Subs:  Would you rather be chewed up and spit out or, would you rather have a Dom who sees you and into you where you have developed a more serious bond?


There is a time and place for both, in my world.


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Obviously both have thier place depending on the scene and the appetite, but which really makes it for you?



I personally want a connection, for a long term situation. That would be mentally and emotionally fulfilling to me. For a short term or casual situation, it may not matter.

I'm still curious as to the point of your thread, though, since you're disagreeing with what other people prefer for themselves.

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 7:45:39 AM   
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To the Subs:  Would you rather be chewed up and spit out or, would you rather have a Dom who sees you and into you where you have developed a more serious bond?

Ideally i would like both. A serious bond with one person and to get chewed up and spit out by another. Only problem is im not poly so therefore i dont think i could balance them both - go figure.
 
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Obviously both have thier place depending on the scene and the appetite, but which really makes it for you?

Both, im torn between a rock and a hard place


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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 7:51:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida


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To the Doms:

Which play is better and more satisfying to you?  Do you prefer to have the totally disposable little toy?  Or, do you find that breaking in one that you actually care for as a person is more of a challenge and produces more of a gain?  I suppose that the way that I phrased that indicates my preference...

As an observer to this thread, it seems not only your preference, but your opinion that it should be everyone's preference. Did you ask the question for the sake of arguing what others prefer?

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To the Subs:  Would you rather be chewed up and spit out or, would you rather have a Dom who sees you and into you where you have developed a more serious bond?


There is a time and place for both, in my world.


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Obviously both have thier place depending on the scene and the appetite, but which really makes it for you?



I personally want a connection, for a long term situation. That would be mentally and emotionally fulfilling to me. For a short term or casual situation, it may not matter.

I'm still curious as to the point of your thread, though, since you're disagreeing with what other people prefer for themselves.


My point was twofold:
1. simply to start a lively discussion. Because I was bored.
2.  To get a feel for where people stand on this.  Let's get real, my present sub is shortly going to go off career wise to the other coast.  I am looking for a certain type of young lady.

These are message boards.  I am looking to engage in an entertaining discussion.  It seems that some on here are ready to take offense instantly.  I am actually not on any mission to convert anyone to my point of view.  However, once I stated my point of view I thought that I would at least discuss it's merits when someone else stated equally strongly an opposite view. 

As to duels - meh - I have no need to become emotional with anyone over what should be in essence a conversation.



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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 8:16:07 AM   
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Then perhaps we should call a stance of non-aggression.  


call it what you will... It matters little to me.

Well then fine, we can have the part where I laugh at this foolishness.

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You are quite correct that message boards are not worth the fight.  Though seriously, when you speak of zealotry, I am entertained at the irony.  Perhaps, you speak a little strongly about how you do it.  To say that having a mental connection before play is "hard to swallow" is certainly an entrenched view of your own.


A feather is a poor choice of tools to bring down a wall, particularly if one is pressed for time.  It's been my experience that the tool that is most effective and efficient tool to use when faced with the zealot preacher is something that is as narrow and focused as they are.   Usually I don't expect much results beyond them going the other direction.  Which suits me fine since I have nothing but contempt for there general attitude in the first place.  But, every now and again the wall splits and one can look at using different tools that involve more of the soft touch.

If what you are talking about here is in regards to a sub, and what you are doing under different circumstances, then I actually agree with you.


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You have your subs and I have mine.  I run my house the way I see appropriate.  You surely do the same in yours.


Yes... I have a couple girls.. based on your profile... I was lead to believe you were looking and didn't have one in the toy box.  But yes you seem to gather the point that everyone has their own way.. but there is no one way that is the best for all... only the best for that person.  However, if you want put out a logical position of why there is a One way for all!  I am interested in listening... though I am not hopeful such position will ever be sound but it maybe amusing.


I have told you explicitly that I was not trying to "convert you."  Hence, all of the you have your house, I have mine talk.  But if you honestly think that you are going to come on here and preach to me (and you are, obviously, but poorly doing so)  I am entertained.  You perhaps should look at the psychology of projection.  

Now, as to my personal affairs, which you really are not invited to speculate about.  It turns out that my sub is quite brilliant and that she is going off to get a PhD - on the other coast.  I will miss her greatly.  And no, since I do value her as a person, I am not going to order her to stay here and serve me - even though I could.   That said, I am  interested in finding an intelligent young lady.


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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 8:20:57 AM   
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Hmm, methinks that it's time that the good doctor ( /snort ) went back to school


You imp..... Trying to fan flames....   tsk...tsk...

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RE: A semi philosophical question. - 11/19/2008 8:24:23 AM   
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