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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:23:59 AM   
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For me to not be emotionally connected to someone and want to serve them, wouldn't have been an issue years ago. Okay, even though I wasn't into BDSM, I didn't need to feel emotionally connected to be with someone way back then. However, I needed to at least want to choose who i planned on being with. Actually after losing my husband, I didn't think I would emotionally get involved again. Figure if I wanted sex I just find someone that interested me without strings attach. Oh wait, I did do that with Sir, but then my heart took over.

There are a lot of people in the world, even in CM, that I personally wouldnt want to serve. There are certain aspects of a person that will be a real turn off to me, both physically and mentally.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:26:31 AM   
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Human Trafficking  is a big problem more then you can imagine,If you really want to buy a slave you can if you know where to look,Come on like this one are usually front for a prostitution ring, Many subs share this same fanstay..Slave auctions at major events work well for charity,my wife Diane auction Trigger the human horse for rides at an event to raise money for a breast cancer awareness group..

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:26:50 AM   
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Honestly, I've considered purchase under the terms you've mentioned... unfortunately, the couple of places I actually heard about have been talking in the neighborhood of $300-400,000 per purchase...

In terms of the 'human trafficking issue', the two groups I spoke with were providing, basically, a resource to connect consensual s-types interested in going to 'the block' with those interested in that kind of s-type. For the most part, they dealt in Gorean and Medieval-type folks. If it weren't so expensive, I would have explored further, but I'm not in a position right now to invest that kind of up-front money (not that a servant wouldn't potentially be worth that, but frankly, purchase of such isn't on the top of my priority list -- so I'll have to do it the slow way or do without, which is also fine).

Neither of the places offered me the option of buying a lifetime contract up front -- the first contract was for a year, renewable for 2, 5, or 10 years. After 10 years, the lifetime contract became an option.



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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:30:18 AM   
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I'd be paranoid about the guy getting busted for his "Slave ring", putting you in danger of getting written up for prostitution or some crap. I mean come on... if you have a slave ring, do you really go out and tell people on the internet about it?


Lol you have a good point but there again any pro on here could be up for getting prosecuted for prostitution too. I guess hes about as worried as the pros here are.


I'm no pro but I beleive the laws are directed towards those who have sex for payment..not those who beat ya.. where that's a whole other legal matter lol



Some pros have sex funnily enough.
Some slaves sold will have sex funnily enough.
Some pros beat / are beaten.
Some slaves sold will get beaten.
It is possible just as all pros are not sexually involved with their clients that a slave may not have sex in their contract.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:31:07 AM   
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For me to not be emotionally connected to someone and want to serve them, wouldn't have been an issue years ago. Okay, even though I wasn't into BDSM, I didn't need to feel emotionally connected to be with someone way back then. However, I needed to at least want to choose who i planned on being with. Actually after losing my husband, I didn't think I would emotionally get involved again. Figure if I wanted sex I just find someone that interested me without strings attach. Oh wait, I did do that with Sir, but then my heart took over.

There are a lot of people in the world, even in CM, that I personally wouldnt want to serve. There are certain aspects of a person that will be a real turn off to me, both physically and mentally.

oceanwynds


Ideally I would want the connection and I don't mind holding out for it buuuuut if a female was serious enough to do something like this full time. It would be a good sign to me that she was of the right mindset for me.


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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:34:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

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Do I have a bid on a lovely brunette in chains called Misstubation?  Do I hear $500?
Next on the block will be GT.


I'd make a lousy slave...

"You want what??... you're legs ain't broke.. get it yer own damn self!"


Oh oh, i do that too to some people. Crossing off being a slave.

Sir says i am too much Aries, pushy:) 

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:36:05 AM   
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Opps right you did! Like someone said I'd worry about his connection to the whole thing.

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As i said in the op he gets half the original fee.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:38:06 AM   
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Change "Sold!!" to 'slave' and I spent a considerable amount of time with those claiming it was their "fantasy". As in the case of "sold" when reality sets in, that doesn't meet the expectations of a Harlequin novel - the fantasy sours fast.

Most with these fantasies have never seen or met a 'slave' let alone appreciate what's involved in being one - sold or volunteered. It doesn't mean doing what is in your fantasy - if means doing what your owner says, all the time, in real time. In other words it means reality. Very few want that reality or would live it 24/7.

That's not to say the other side of the flogger is any different. "Ownership" is a full time commitment equal to the commitment of the slave. Just as few want that 24/7 responsibility.

Sure - it was always FUN for a day, a weekend, an extended 10 day 'experiment'; but its been my real life, real time experience to hear; "You really want to do this ALL the time!? Wow - I can't/won't!" Now I happen to believe and find it necessary for there to be an emotional and mental connection, but that is not required and I acknowledge that there are many very successful and happy Master/slave relationships where emotions and a mental connection do not play a part in the dynamic. I can see a case made for an emotional connection being a hindrance, but that preference and determination is up to the 'Owner'. Entering into that 'sold' status as a 'slave' is that part of the 'fantasy' over a long period of time and without hope that the condition will change and the 'evil' 'cruel' Owner will come to love his 'pet'? That very well could be the first idea beaten out of you as an 'owned slave'. Remember, committing to be sold it's not up to you who buys you - your new 'Owner' determines the dynamic. Unless of course, this fantasy requires a written contract controlling what can, and can't be done; however in that case its more a 'conditional lease'.

I've often said that beth has never been more 'free' in her 'slavery'. (Taken in the context of lifestyle slavery and NOT to be confused with the #1 definition that involves fundamental non-consent'.) However, even at the OP's top end or any dollar amount of 'insurance'; how many would live the "sold into slavery" life knowing some of what will be required such as:
  • Limited family contact
  • Job/career limitations
  • No control over finances
  • Relocation
  • Food/Drink restrictions
  • Speech restrictions
  • Clothing restrictions
  • Public exposure
  • 24/7 Personal Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates
  • 24/7 Sexual Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates
  • Body Modification
  • Daily work tasks
  • Fulfillment of the Owner's fantasies
  • No Limits
  • No Safe-word
  • No time limit

Now there is no representation of any 'standard' being presented here - just an attempt to add a little reality into the fantasy; and a little advice from a person who did seek and had too many failures to be considered an 'expert' even with consideration to my current self defined 'success'. You better know, and I mean know intimately, the partner coming to you representing whatever 'ideal fantasy' you have in mind. Trust is critical and must be reciprocal without compromise, and without any room for compromise down the road. Good luck finding that.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:43:12 AM   
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Thank you Merc, fantastic post.
The only thing that would / does stop me from going into being sold is my UM. I could not bare to be parted from her for any length of time.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:45:00 AM   
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Too expensive for Me, but if there's a sale, I'll keep the checkbook handy.

roflmao!

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:47:18 AM   
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I don't know if I classify it as "slavery" since you'd be getting paid for it. Although I never really thought about it, I am not so sure I'd want to purchase a slave unless they had a money back return policy. I mean what if they just do not work out? Then what? Your stuck with a slave you don't want for two years? No, I will keep the one that I have, I don't have to pay for him and his contract is forever.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:47:37 AM   
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No way to guarantee no stds. No way to ensure your personal safety.

And most of all, assuming you aren't being shipped out of the country in a box, it isn't legal. You could walk out on day 1 simply by threatening the police if he didn't let you go.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:49:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation
Ever fancied buying a slave? Is it just to close to something out of a novel for you? Any other thoughts?

I have paid referral fees for compatible slaves. 

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:49:32 AM   
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This thread is spoiling my fantasy...




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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:51:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

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ORIGINAL: oceanwynds

For me to not be emotionally connected to someone and want to serve them, wouldn't have been an issue years ago. Okay, even though I wasn't into BDSM, I didn't need to feel emotionally connected to be with someone way back then. However, I needed to at least want to choose who i planned on being with. Actually after losing my husband, I didn't think I would emotionally get involved again. Figure if I wanted sex I just find someone that interested me without strings attach. Oh wait, I did do that with Sir, but then my heart took over.

There are a lot of people in the world, even in CM, that I personally wouldnt want to serve. There are certain aspects of a person that will be a real turn off to me, both physically and mentally.

oceanwynds


Ideally I would want the connection and I don't mind holding out for it buuuuut if a female was serious enough to do something like this full time. It would be a good sign to me that she was of the right mindset for me.



Understandable Icarys, but at that time in my life, I was just a year into being a widow and didn't know I had it in me to become emotionally involved again. Couldn't offer that, if I didn't know, and happy that I found out I still could be emotionally involved again. What a wonderful gift that I discovered.
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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:53:31 AM   
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No way to guarantee no stds. No way to ensure your personal safety.

And most of all, assuming you aren't being shipped out of the country in a box, it isn't legal. You could walk out on day 1 simply by threatening the police if he didn't let you go.


Personally i would want certificates of clean health to prevernt the risk of stds. I dont see that being any different in paid slavery to non paid.
Ensuring safety, can you ever really ensure it?
Anyone can walk out on day one paid or not.
Your points are valid but no more valid for a paid slave than a non paid slave.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:54:13 AM   
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No way to guarantee no stds. No way to ensure your personal safety.

And most of all, assuming you aren't being shipped out of the country in a box, it isn't legal. You could walk out on day 1 simply by threatening the police if he didn't let you go.


Likely that threat wouldn't go over too well, as the laws protecting sex workers are crap anyway.


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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:56:54 AM   
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This thread is spoiling my fantasy...





There is no reason to let it spoil your fantasy. I've plenty of fantasies that I know without a shadow of a doubt have very low odds of happening. Doesn't make day dreaming about them any less fun.


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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 11:06:57 AM   
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As a boy, I encountered a real slave…

I am part Armenian and have met nonconsensual slaves that had been captured by the Turks during the invasion from 1915 - 1918.  I was amazed at their stories.  Those stories and the innate charm of the belly dancers (ex slaves) I met are part of what inspired my lifestyle interests in my youth. 

I recall one story in particular.  At the age of nine, while I was at an Armenian ethnic festival, I peeked into the belly dancing troupe’s tent.  In the middle of the tent, at the most elegant dressing table there, I saw an older woman that was literally covered in tattoos.  The tattoos ranged in size from as small as a business card to the size of a playing card.  She had back to back rows of these tattoos running up and down both her legs and arms all the way to her wrists and ankles.  All the other younger dancers had only a few tattoos, none reaching past their knees.  But they all treated the heavily tattooed woman with the highest amount of respect. 

I was enthralled just watching these dancers move about getting ready for their next show.  The grace, elegance and sensual self awareness they exhibited compared to the average person would be like comparing the grace of cat to a dog.  There was something magical in the essence of these belly dancers and it had me fascinated and captivated as I watched them dress and prepare for the stage. 

Eventually the older woman saw me standing in the open seam of the tent.   She addressed very me politely and earnestly asking what I wanted.  Her voice caressed me with tones of sincerity and respect.  Her eyes met mine with unabashed openness and vulnerability.  Although she was my elder by 40 or 50 years, and I was in her territory which meant it was I who should have obeyed her, she addressed me as a subservient and humble woman that was making a sincere inquiry of an adult man.  I did not know it then but, she addressed me as a polite slave would address any young Master. 

I responded instinctively to her respect and with all sincerity I asked her why she had all those tattoos?  That old women had a slave’s heart and she offered to answer my question while inviting me in to come in and sit with her on her dressing table bench.  I was mesmerized as she began to speak.  She stopped working on her hair and gave me all of her attention.  Words cannot convey how the world around us disappeared as we formed a very intimate and deep connection with our conversation. 

She pointed to a tattoo and told where she got it, then asked me about my nationality and my interest in the art of dance.  She explained that the “dance” was an art a woman or slave uses to please men.  As she told me of her tattoos, her owners and their locations, she recalled sale prices she fetched in the transactions.  She told me about being an Armenian slave when she was younger and showed me where the Armenian tattoos ended.  She told me the story of Turkish invasion and showed me how the styles of the Turkish tattoos were different. 

She would pause every once in a while at the recollections a special tattoo would bring.  I could see the joy and passion in her eyes as she would say that owners name and then speak praise of him with respect and how he treated her well.  She would speak certain owner’s names with such reverence it was obvious she worshiped their memory as told their story of her ownership.

She would tell of the Masters that had her trained to sing, or dance or “please a man”.  It was awesome… I was 9 years old and this 50-60 year old women had seduced my heart with her passion, her openness, honesty, vulnerability and willingness to serve my request by answering my questions.  It seemed the more questions I asked her about her experiences as a slave, the happier she became recounting her tales. 

Finally I asked her why she had so many tattoos and the others girls didn’t?  She paused.  It was a long pause and I could see her compose herself.  She explained that the more talents a slave had, the more valuable she was in trade.  Therefore a talented slave was likely to be traded more often. Then she pointed to one tattoo and explained how in Armenia she was traded for equipment to make a well and how it was her value that brought water to that village and improved everyone’s life there.  She explained how she learned as much as she could to make herself a more valuable companion for her Masters.  She spoke of how she used her mind and talents to express her heart in dance, song and conversation with her Masters.  As a young boy, to some degree, I think I fell in love with that old slave as much as I fell in love with what she represented. 

Although the connection we made was sensual, it was not sexual.  However, she came to one tattoo and spoke her owner’s name with such passion I could feel the sexual nature of her memory in the tone of her voice.  “Arman” she said… “such a man”.  He was such a “good man” and he was “so handsome” and he “treated me very well”.  She spoke of him and how he took such good care of her, providing tutors, the finest clothing and making her feel like a “his woman”. 

My intimate conversation with that freed slave, taught me that passion and service knows no bounds, no age or social status.  My mother had taught me the art of conversation at a young age.  I learned how to make a woman “feel” your interest by giving her your complete attention, hearing her desire and fulfilling it.  That was exactly what the Armenian belly dancer did for me.  She selflessly connected with me and gave me her full attention.  She fulfilled my desire completely. She served my request by answering my all my questions and showing me her slave’s heart and its history plotted on her skin by a map of tattoos. 

When we were done, I had traveled back in time to the very places in the desert villages, towns and cities where she got those tattoos.  I had met her owners, shared her emotions, tasted the Armenian sands, traveled the dusty Turkish roads and seen the silks, rugs and artwork in palaces fit for a sultan.  I had heard the music she danced to on palace stages and by tribal campfires.  She gave me her history.

My mother had also respected and studied the Armenian culture and some of the arts and talents that support it… like belly dance.  But my impressions of it through my mother’s research never prepared me for the sense of honor, pride and compassion that old slave held for the art of dance and slavery.  The way she spoke of her time and talents serving as a slave, her healthy and strong self image about her life as a nonconsensual slave that was taken as a prize of war by the Turks was commendable.  Her attitude towards life and her role in it was balanced and admirable. 

Having that old woman reach out with respect, share her life story, her passion and letting me see her heart changed my life and gave me the deepest respect and appreciation for slaves and the slave arts.  I hope this short story pays her the homage she deserves for the respect and quality she has brought to the art of slavery and dance through her life and contributions. 

…bless you where ever you are my sweet dancer.  Thank you.   
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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 11:13:59 AM   
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In the fantasy you are actually in control. In reality I doubt many would like it for an extended period of time. Yes this kind of thing does happen. No I do not like any of the people that are involved in it, that I have met. Contracts are not worth the paper they are written on.

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