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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 5:52:50 PM   
RainydayNE


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intersting fantasy, but the reality is just too crappy

For you perhaps 



meh. you wanted opinions

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However i'm curious to others views on this subject bad and good.

 
so there you go.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 5:56:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RainydayNE

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ORIGINAL: missturbation


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intersting fantasy, but the reality is just too crappy

For you perhaps 



meh. you wanted opinions

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However i'm curious to others views on this subject bad and good.

 
so there you go.


Hmm !!
Yes i asked for opinions good and bad.
I saw your reply more as a statement of fact. Thats why i replied the way i did. No biggie, well not to me anyway.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 6:43:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello again, missturbation
I do believe that this is something you could do and do it well, if it is what you want. Like I mentioned before life is for taking risks. I would hope if you decide to do this, you will let a few people know, or post your decision. Though that isn't necessary, I do confess I am nosey:)

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:10:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: missturbation
I know there are a whole host of issues that could be raised with being sold into slavery. I know it definately would not be everyones cup of tea, understatement perhaps? However i'm curious to others views on this subject bad and good. Every fancied being sold yourself? Ever fancied buying a slave? Is it just to close to something out of a novel for you? Any other thoughts?

Sure, hot fantasy, old fantasy.

But I'd never be assured I'd be able to see my family or go online.  And I really don't think I have skills worth much more than labor, or administrative stuff and if they want sex they could buy someone hotter than me.  Just isn't practical.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:26:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read about a cool slave auction event that I believe was held at the Citadel in SF.  Now selling a slave for real money is almost definately illegal even in San Fran in a BDSM club with consenting adults.  At the Citadel they have dungeon money.  This is funny money, but it can be used all year long for various fun activities.  I think the auction happens in January, so that you can get a lot of dungeon money early in the year.   A master will auction off his slave for with certain rules and time constraints.  Less rules and constraints could lead to more dungeon money and a more realistic fantasy.  The slave must perform whatever their Master auctioned away to the highest bidder. 

This sort of auction could be a lot safer way for someone to fulfill this fantasy.  It certainly caught my interest.  I don't care what someone say.  Once you are sold into a real slave ring you will probably never get out.  Why would they ever let you out?

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:35:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh sure, faux slave auctions are common and can be a great way to have a fun evening.  Nowhere close to actually being sold- for slavery or any other service.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:36:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		ResidentSadist, thank you for that wonderful story about the old Armenian slave...

Personally, as the T-shirt from Cafe Press says, "If the Marketplace were real, I wouldn't be here."

The fantasy world described in the Marketplace series is as ideal as I've found on this subject, keeping in mind that the Owners described in the books are all quite wealthy and can afford to purchase one or more slaves for hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of several contracts. The slaves' money is invested for them for when they decide to retire after one or more contracts; they also have health care and the Owners are carefully vetted and required to live up to their responsibilities. Too bad it's not for real!

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:41:31 PM   
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I don't have any romantic attachments to the idea of being auctioned off. It's part of my issue with the word slave - I grew up where I walked past a real slave block where people were torn from their families as part of business just to get some ice cream. These images of the past are burned too firmly in my brain to think "slave auction" and have any sort of positive response.

There is nothing fun or appealing about this idea to me. It strikes me as a great way to never be heard from again and, at best, a good way to spend two years living with someone I don't like and may hate. It feels like a waste of time and that's something I can't abide by.

Of course, I'm sure that through this thread a lot of people have said they'd love to do it and perhaps some people have done it and had great experiences with it. But not for me.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:43:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Every slave ring that you hear about getting busted has the same story.  Girl in one country is promised a bunch of fake crap and then shiped to another country where she is forced into prostitution.  Then various measures like passports, greancards, debts, and brute force are used to never let the "slave" out with their life.  Since the internet the real slave trade has exploded.  Mostly its girls from poor countrys going to developed countrys, but there is also a lot of shipping slaves between developed countries as well.  It is easier to keep the girls enslaved after shipping them to another country.  It is easier to capture victims in the first place by promising things that you have no intention of giving.  It is unlikely to me that this random person you met plans on following a different script than this tried and true story I just laid out.  Protect yourself.  There are ways to make this fantasy very real without becoming an enslaved whore that is not getting half of the money when the time comes to be paid.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 7:48:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WhatUrSeeking

Every slave ring that you hear about getting busted has the same story.  Girl in one country is promised a bunch of fake crap and then shiped to another country where she is forced into prostitution.  Then various measures like passports, greancards, debts, and brute force are used to never let the "slave" out with their life.  Since the internet the real slave trade has exploded.  Mostly its girls from poor countrys going to developed countrys, but there is also a lot of shipping slaves between developed countries as well.  It is easier to keep the girls enslaved after shipping them to another country.  It is easier to capture victims in the first place by promising things that you have no intention of giving.  It is unlikely to me that this random person you met plans on following a different script than this tried and true story I just laid out.  Protect yourself.  There are ways to make this fantasy very real without becoming an enslaved whore that is not getting half of the money when the time comes to be paid.


seriously.
people say lots of things all the time, and if the only way to verify it is to put yourself in a position where, if you need to get out, you can't, it's just waaaay too dangerous

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 8:11:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		i meant to comment on this post much earlier in the day but got sidetracked by life.  Go figure.  *chuckle*

i only skimmed through the responses to your op thus far, so if i seem repetitive in any way, i apologize.  Now that that little disclaimer is out of the way:

i'm too much of a pragmatist to give even the idea of such a 'fantasy' as you describe any validity while maintaining a straight face.  Or maybe i'm just too much of a fan of the human condition to find any "thrill" in such fantasies that seem to devalue an individual's humanity.

As a matter of practicality, i think participating in a "real" slave market  is taking a huge gamble with one's safety and well-being.  (Assuming your emailer was being sincere about the so-called "slave ring" and not just some wanker living out an online fantasy.  i always find such emails more than a little suspect, myself.)  It may be a one in a million chance; but what if the highest bidder turns out to be a mysogynistic (sp?) nutcase (for lack of a better word, atm) who feels that having paid for your service includes the right to dispose of you as he pleases.  It would be pretty hard to collect your half of the proceeds if you're 6 ft. under.  That's the dark side, yes.  But, it's a side that a wise person would not ignore...or at least, should not.  Paricularly if buyers are not screened before purchase for violent history, etc.

Ultimately, i think i agree with you that this is one of those things that's fun in fantasy; but maybe not such a good idea to try to make a reality, unless it's a reality that you have some control over.  Much safer to be auctioned off at a charity event with specific guidelines and folks you know are just having fun, if that makes any sense.  It may not be quite the same; but it could still be a thrill.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 8:36:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beyound all the legal and moral stand points...... the slave sale is a hot fantasy......

I picture myself a lady of power, and breeding, dressed in leather and silk, walking the line of naked slave offerings, stopping every know and again to inspect one, running my gloved hand across their flesh, tapping their leg with my crop, reading the place card that is attached around their neck that lists their skills.
Haggling with the dealer after I have found one or two that fit my needs, clamping a large heavy iron collar around their necks and leading them to the horse trailer they will be transported to my home in.
and well it goes from there...... but yes just a fantasy I do think it would be fun to live it for a day or two, but after that I think the dynamics would change.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 9:04:13 PM   
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  • Limited family contact
  • Job/career limitations
  • No control over finances
  • Relocation
  • Food/Drink restrictions
  • Speech restrictions
  • Clothing restrictions
  • Public exposure
  • 24/7 Personal Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates
  • 24/7 Sexual Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates
  • Body Modification
  • Daily work tasks
  • Fulfillment of the Owner's fantasies
  • No Limits
  • No Safe-word
  • No time limit


Just pondering these things has my heart pounding out of my chest...okay, i can breath now.

Truth be told, i think this is a common fantasy.  i can't tell you how many dreams i've had where i was sold or given to a couple. 

But, in reality doing this may just land a male slave in a work camp in some other country, with never a hope of s&m outside of the possibility of working badly.  i truly wonder how many women end up as forced prostitutes from this type of stuff.  High risk... 

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 9:34:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: auburnvixen
ResidentSadist, thank you for that wonderful story about the old Armenian slave...

Personally, as the T-shirt from Cafe Press says, "If the Marketplace were real, I wouldn't be here.

-snip-

I am glad you thought the story was wonderful.  That encounter truly helped shape my life.  The woman was a radiant force and she had been through the opposite of a Marketplace fairy tail life. 

She had both wealthy and poor owners.  She served her own Armenian people as she was supposed to and she was forced to serve the Turks that captured her.  To me, it seems if you are raised to be a slave, it is a natural occurrence to serve your people.  However, to be captured and forced to serve the very same Turks that slaughtered 1.5 million Armenians in an attempted genocide must have taken some focus and willpower on her part.  Her survival instincts, civility and attention to culture were an amazing balance. 

She took her lot in life and made the most of it and herself.  The ability to maintain hope, capitalize on opportunity and remain true to yourself in the face of adversity is a powerful set of personal tools.  She was like the Buddha and Scheherazade wrapped up in one person.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 9:36:50 PM   
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Change "Sold!!" to 'slave' and I spent a considerable amount of time with those claiming it was their "fantasy". As in the case of "sold" when reality sets in, that doesn't meet the expectations of a Harlequin novel - the fantasy sours fast.

Most with these fantasies have never seen or met a 'slave' let alone appreciate what's involved in being one - sold or volunteered. It doesn't mean doing what is in your fantasy - if means doing what your owner says, all the time, in real time. In other words it means reality. Very few want that reality or would live it 24/7.

That's not to say the other side of the flogger is any different. "Ownership" is a full time commitment equal to the commitment of the slave. Just as few want that 24/7 responsibility.

Sure - it was always FUN for a day, a weekend, an extended 10 day 'experiment'; but its been my real life, real time experience to hear; "You really want to do this ALL the time!? Wow - I can't/won't!" Now I happen to believe and find it necessary for there to be an emotional and mental connection, but that is not required and I acknowledge that there are many very successful and happy Master/slave relationships where emotions and a mental connection do not play a part in the dynamic. I can see a case made for an emotional connection being a hindrance, but that preference and determination is up to the 'Owner'. Entering into that 'sold' status as a 'slave' is that part of the 'fantasy' over a long period of time and without hope that the condition will change and the 'evil' 'cruel' Owner will come to love his 'pet'? That very well could be the first idea beaten out of you as an 'owned slave'. Remember, committing to be sold it's not up to you who buys you - your new 'Owner' determines the dynamic. Unless of course, this fantasy requires a written contract controlling what can, and can't be done; however in that case its more a 'conditional lease'.

I've often said that beth has never been more 'free' in her 'slavery'. (Taken in the context of lifestyle slavery and NOT to be confused with the #1 definition that involves fundamental non-consent'.) However, even at the OP's top end or any dollar amount of 'insurance'; how many would live the "sold into slavery" life knowing some of what will be required such as:
  • Limited family contact
  • Job/career limitations
  • No control over finances
  • Relocation
  • Food/Drink restrictions
  • Speech restrictions
  • Clothing restrictions
  • Public exposure
  • 24/7 Personal Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates
  • 24/7 Sexual Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates
  • Body Modification
  • Daily work tasks
  • Fulfillment of the Owner's fantasies
  • No Limits
  • No Safe-word
  • No time limit

Now there is no representation of any 'standard' being presented here - just an attempt to add a little reality into the fantasy; and a little advice from a person who did seek and had too many failures to be considered an 'expert' even with consideration to my current self defined 'success'. You better know, and I mean know intimately, the partner coming to you representing whatever 'ideal fantasy' you have in mind. Trust is critical and must be reciprocal without compromise, and without any room for compromise down the road. Good luck finding that.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 9:44:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking at the following points and how it measures up to girl's reality. For fantasy sake of course.



  • Limited family contact  : yes
  • Job/career limitations  : only high school, first mistress was met there, mistress was in college at the time, 6 years later, still no college, serve current couple that are now retiring, skills learned: master operates a home reno/repair business, girl learned to build houses, really can not see my self doing it for my self, for a mistress, defintely
  • No control over finances : mistress is an accountant, any monies girl has made working for master, went to mistress, gratuities and gifts for loyalty, own room, allowed to sit in front of the comp all night, providing girls chores are done and master does not need girl to labor for him the following morning
  • Relocation  : yes, relocated here where girl is now from lower canada back in '90
  • Food/Drink restrictions  : girl eats what is cooked for her
  • Speech restrictions  : with master in public, with mistress, girl is given a voice but only when master is absent
  • Clothing restrictions  : no
  • Public exposure  : no
  • 24/7 Personal Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates  : yes?
  • 24/7 Sexual Service to the Owner, or whoever he/she designates  : no
  • Body Modification  : no, well maybe, if you include scarring
  • Daily work tasks  : yes, daily chores
  • Fulfillment of the Owner's fantasies  : no
  • No Limits  : no
  • No Safe-word  : yes
  • No time limit : current couple is retiring, guess that means a time limit, since girl thought it would be her life with current couple.

This was for fantasy sake. How did girl do?


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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 9:46:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UmbraDomina

Beyound all the legal and moral stand points...... the slave sale is a hot fantasy......

I picture myself a lady of power, and breeding, dressed in leather and silk, walking the line of naked slave offerings, stopping every know and again to inspect one, running my gloved hand across their flesh, tapping their leg with my crop, reading the place card that is attached around their neck that lists their skills.
Haggling with the dealer after I have found one or two that fit my needs, clamping a large heavy iron collar around their necks and leading them to the horse trailer they will be transported to my home in.
and well it goes from there...... but yes just a fantasy I do think it would be fun to live it for a day or two, but after that I think the dynamics would change.


ok, that was HAWT!! mind if I borrow it?? *grin*


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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 9:52:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, if you ever DO do it, get yourself a good friend to do the haggling/selling I think... someone that will follow up on you and such would be nice I think.... besides you wouldn't have to pay them as much. 

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:44:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Am I the only one who thought this sounded like the setup for an especially bad Lifetime movie?
Single mother finds herself trapped in some bizarre prostitution ring masquerading as a fun kink group. Passed from man to man, abused and resold at rapidly decreasing prices (as she becomes increasingly "used"), the only thing keeping her alive is hope that she might one day return to her UM.

I'm seeing... Justine Bateman as the lead. Dakota Fanning as the Um. We'll call it, "Mommy, Read Me Another Gor Novel."

Seriously though, don't ever do that. I promise, it won't be sexy in real life. The only people interested in paying 20 grand for ownership of a woman are people you don't want to be left alone with.

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RE: Sold !! - 11/19/2008 10:49:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Coupleofwhats

Am I the only one who thought this sounded like the setup for an especially bad Lifetime movie?
Single mother finds herself trapped in some bizarre prostitution ring masquerading as a fun kink group. Passed from man to man, abused and resold at rapidly decreasing prices (as she becomes increasingly "used"), the only thing keeping her alive is hope that she might one day return to her UM.

I'm seeing... Justine Bateman as the lead. Dakota Fanning as the Um. We'll call it, "Mommy, Read Me Another Gor Novel."




haha :) neat

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