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Dnomyar -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 5:59:07 AM)

Make drugs legal. Stupid fucking ideal. Just what kind of work are drug addicts supposed to do. Have you ever worked with someone high on drugs. The commercial this is your brain on drugs is true. Putting them in rehab is a total waste of time. Learn to read a newspaper and see how many of them get out of rehab and commit more crimes. Give them 5 years prison time to get rid of the drugs in their system.



LadyEllen -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 6:06:02 AM)

That argument would hold up better if one didnt have to work with people coming into work stinking of booze and obviously still intoxicated from the night before or spending the lunch hour (whatever that is) in the pub. This is a sacking offence in many companies. 

And then there are those drug tests many companies are so fond of imposing on their employees - fail and get fired. So even if legalised, one couldnt actually use most drugs and keep a job - putting us straight back into the same place as now but by a different route - enormous criminal activity surrounding the use of drugs that the addict must still pay for but to do which he has no regular income.

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rulemylife -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 6:19:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Make drugs legal. Stupid fucking ideal. Just what kind of work are drug addicts supposed to do. Have you ever worked with someone high on drugs. The commercial this is your brain on drugs is true. Putting them in rehab is a total waste of time. Learn to read a newspaper and see how many of them get out of rehab and commit more crimes. Give them 5 years prison time to get rid of the drugs in their system.


You're operating under the assumption that everyone who uses drugs deemed illegal is a drug addict. 

Do you also believe everyone who drinks is an alcoholic?



TheHeretic -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 6:54:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

Make drugs legal. Stupid fucking ideal. Just what kind of work are drug addicts supposed to do. Have you ever worked with someone high on drugs. The commercial this is your brain on drugs is true. Putting them in rehab is a total waste of time. Learn to read a newspaper and see how many of them get out of rehab and commit more crimes. Give them 5 years prison time to get rid of the drugs in their system.



      Right...  Because adding a criminal record and having them spend years locked up with violent felons is a great way to turn them into productive members of society.

       I'm going to have to get back to this list of nonsense, and bullshit talking points.



Lynnxz -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 7:10:26 AM)

Eh, I don't want all drugs legal, it's a pain to deal with people who are under the influence of whatever... then again some of them might just be royally stupid.

It's not that every person who uses drugs is an addict... it's that people on drugs, regardless of how often they use them, are still obnoxious when you have to deal with them.



Termyn8or -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 7:47:33 AM)

Dnom, the government does not have the right to tell us what to put in our bodies.

As far as working, nobody in their right mind goes to work drunk or high. There is a time and place for everything. It is up to a responsible adult to know when to say no. Last time I was offerred coke I said no, of course everybody's jaw dropped especially since it was a free turnon. I had to work the next day, plain and simple. They were even more taken aback when I stuck around, one guy "I can't believe you can stick around here and watch us, just drinking beer".

I think learning to say no isn't quite enough, you have to learn to really mean it when you say no. Personal responsibility, something that can't be legislated nor enforced. At least by the government. The laws of nature will take care of it. Call it power of will or strength of character or whatever you want, alot of people lack it. Maybe they need a nanny government to tell them what is good and what is bad, but I don't.

The point is, if dealers come into this country to sell something, there is a buy arrainged. They got forty kilos they are not on a streetcorner, they know where they are going and no matter how tough they are they simply hope for the deal to go well, that nobody tries to rip anybody off and cause a bloodbath, and they get home in one piece. They know that no matter how tough they are, they could run into someone tougher.

So I don't say legalize, I say get the government's nose out of where it does not belong. Then they can just ship the stuff UPS, write a check, and some would actually pay taxes, why ? No matter how much they make they might want to, say, buy a house. Well maybe not but it's a damn sight better than how they play cops and robbers now. Plus the fact that the government never had the power to make any drug illegal. The proof of that is in our own Constitution.

Hey, we can't have people painting their houses green any more. It is unsightly and has an impact on society. It brings down home values in the area and that decreases tax revenues. It hurts everybody so we need a law. Oh wait, we can't make a law about that,,,,,,,,,, I got an idea let's just amend the Constitution.

Reference : Prohibition.

T



UncleNasty -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 8:10:47 AM)

There was a book written in the 90's called "Ain't Nobodies Business if You Do" that dealt with the absurdity of "consentual" crimes. The author covered the issue of drugs extensively and with lots of supporting information. I know of no one that has read the book that is still in favor of a continued war on drugs.

It is available online for free at http://www.mcwilliams.com/ 

He rips to shreads many common misconceptions and does a great job of ripping the religious right a new one too.

Uncle Nasty



Vendaval -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 12:26:42 PM)

D,
 
You do realize how expensive it is to keep an addict in jail or prison? Your tax dollars at work. In my state we spend more on prisons than we do for schools.  Are you really aware of how many functioning junkies and drunks go about their daily lives at work, home and play?  I an not say this is a good set of behaviors.  I am saying we need to find better methods of dealing with addiction and addicts.



pahunkboy -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 1:49:06 PM)

I am amazed that they keep finding another tunnel per the border.

US policy buildt this mess.  It will get worse.   We extracted most value out of those terrible'  (gags) people.

Anyone who dabbles in party stuff, has blood on their hands.

But I fully believe a person owns his own body.  All of it.   How is it different that "they" can put fluoride in drinking water, and talk of adding stantins to the water, so many meds are found to be toxic.....  ask your DR if blowme pill is right for you. 

on the happy note-  my drug dealer just lowered the price on all my drugs!!!!  (jumps for joy- over market economy)





Vendaval -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 2:05:35 PM)

OK, what is a "blowme pill", hunkboy?  Is that a reported aphrodesiac or just a placebo?  And I am going to pretend you mean the local pharmacy with that last comment. 


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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
ask your DR if blowme pill is right for you. 

on the happy note-  my drug dealer just lowered the price on all my drugs!!!!  (jumps for joy- over market economy)



rachel529 -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 5:04:05 PM)

it costs 23 cents to make a pack of cigarettes.  thats plastic wrap, cardboard box, papers filter and tobacco.  if you put, say, a 10 dollar tax per pack and filled them bastards with weed, we wouldnt have a national debt.  who wouldnt buy 20 joints for 20 dollars?  its just economics.  plus weed is easier and cheaper to grow than tobacco...



rulemylife -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 5:10:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

Eh, I don't want all drugs legal, it's a pain to deal with people who are under the influence of whatever... then again some of them might just be royally stupid.

It's not that every person who uses drugs is an addict... it's that people on drugs, regardless of how often they use them, are still obnoxious when you have to deal with them.



I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say here.

Is it that only obnoxious people use drugs or is it that drugs make people obnoxious?

I'm also curious as to your definition of "on drugs".  I guess you can say if someone was high he was "on drugs", but is he still considered "on drugs" after he straightens out the next day?   



MasterG2kTR -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 5:14:33 PM)

The only reason the marijuana is not made legal is quite simple. The government cannot control it and tax it. If they could control the growing, processing and distribution of it, it would be legalized in a heartbeat. The reason they cannot control it?.....Anyone can grow it almost anywhere!!

It's all about the revenue.....if you're having fun, the government wants to make sure you pay for that fun.



BbwCanaDomme -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 5:17:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

I'm not sure exactly what you are trying to say here.

Is it that only obnoxious people use drugs or is it that drugs make people obnoxious?

I'm also curious as to your definition of "on drugs".  I guess you can say if someone was high he was "on drugs", but is he still considered "on drugs" after he straightens out the next day?   


Personally, I find people who use drugs regularly to be obnoxious...but I think that's because people who opt to use drugs regularly start out as obnoxious. If someone smokes weed like, once a month, generally they're tolerable while high. Ditto with coke/cigarettes/alcohol. But if they're doing it every day they're usually annoying as hell.

I'm saying this as someone who has never even smoked a cigarette. I have no issues with people who use substances socially, and I think that if the drug trade was government regulated instead of just outright banned, North America would be in much better shape.



rachel529 -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 7:03:37 PM)

who would go to the trouble of growing it if it were available at the corner gas station?

you can make your own wine, beer, or liquor at home.  almost everyone i know buys most of it from the store.  including those who brew the 'shine, or make their own wine...



TheHeretic -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 7:07:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MasterG2kTR

The only reason the marijuana is not made legal is quite simple. The government cannot control it and tax it.



    Poppycock.  By the same logic, gov't is unable to tax or regulate beer.  People will be thrilled to leave the underground/criminalized market.  Of course you can grow/make your own, but it is a pain in the ass.  I could make my own bourbon too, I suppose, but I like opening the cupboard on a nice variety, and having a gallon of Jack in case of company.  A medical marijuana dispensary in California might have 20-30 different grades and varieties to choose from.

    

     Marijuana is illegal for a lot reasons.  At this point it is as much habit as anything else. 



rachel529 -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 7:14:20 PM)

lets try property seizure, and heres the good bit.  if weed were legal, we wouldnt need as many police.  or dea.  or fbi.  no more millions spent on upgrading police to shock troops with machine guns and body armor.  read:  decreased tax revenue, cop and federal agent layoffs, and a huge unnecessary bureacracy.  the goal of any government agency is to expand itself, so it gets more money, and the members of the agency get pay raises...  thats why it isnt legal...



Termyn8or -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 7:32:46 PM)

Pot is illegal because of lobbying by the oil and drug companies.

T



TheHeretic -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/24/2008 8:14:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dnomyar
Just what kind of work are drug addicts supposed to do.



 
        If you are taking the position that any user is an addict, How about George Washington, Father of His Country?  The only reason one "separates the male from female hemp" is to keep the seeds out of the smoking bud.  Seed oil was one of the products you grew it for commercially.  He did ok.

       An addict in the actual sense of the word?  Someone who has let drugs become the most important aspect of life, but keeps it out of the gutter?  They build GM cars and trucks, Dnom  [:D]   Really.  Functional addicts and manufacturing go hand in hand.  Some say the job demands it.  Skilled trades, too.  Mechanics, electricians, plumbers, machinists, carpenters.  These fields are filled with people who just kinda stay a bit altered.  In lower numbers, you'll find them everywhere, to the highest (no pun intended) levels.  Doctors, lawyers, cops, firemen, software engineers... Name it.  People spiral in from wherever they are at the beginning. 

      



Termyn8or -> RE: Escalating drug wars in Mexico and the US border (11/25/2008 7:44:11 AM)

Didn't I read somewhere that our Constitution is written on hemp paper ?

T



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