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Venatrix -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:19:14 AM)

You don't get hard watching Polish tractor movies?  I was going to invite you over on Saturday night for this very thing, but *only* if you had an erection.  I want to make it perfectly clear, though, that this would be a strictly non-sexual erection.  It would only be an "I want to be friends with you" erection.




GigglingGoddess -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:25:34 AM)

I generally only want to know when I'm intentionally doing something that would make him hard. For example, I might say a few suggestive things when I talk to him on Skype, and I suppose it's satisfying to know that I hit the right buttons (which isn't very difficult). When I'm with him, he usually doesn't even have to tell me, though, because I just grab his crotchal region and find out. As for hearing it from another guy, especially one I don't know, it's just rude and creepy. That's when you know the message is just wank material for him. There are much more sophisticated and appealing ways to compliment someone than telling them they induce boners. "You're so beautiful I could just blow a load right now." Amusing, maybe, but crude.
Not that I reply either way, because it's clear in my profile I'm only looking for friends.




PeonForHer -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:27:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

You don't get hard watching Polish tractor movies?  I was going to invite you over on Saturday night for this very thing, but *only* if you had an erection.  I want to make it perfectly clear, though, that this would be a strictly non-sexual erection.  It would only be an "I want to be friends with you" erection.


I don't do "friendly", V.  I'm British.  I'm an upright chap and my manners are always stiffly formal.




Venatrix -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:32:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I don't do "friendly", V.  I'm British.  I'm an upright chap and my manners are always stiffly formal.


Oh, for heaven's sake.  How hard is it for you to be a bit flexible?  Being an upstanding soul is admirable, but having an elevated sense of self-worth is a bit much, and you shouldn't be so rigid about such things.




hopelesslyInvo -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:41:24 AM)

opportunity never forces a person to act. 

these fools make complete asses of themselves without a moments hesitation, or ever even realizing it, and most likely without caring if that were the case. 

no view of beauty is ever going to be due cause for such lewd behavior.  expected though it may be, it will continue to be inappropriate when uncalled for, and appearances alone is not calling for that behavior. 






PeonForHer -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:50:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I don't do "friendly", V.  I'm British.  I'm an upright chap and my manners are always stiffly formal.


Oh, for heaven's sake.  How hard is it for you to be a bit flexible?  Being an upstanding soul is admirable, but having an elevated sense of self-worth is a bit much, and you shouldn't be so rigid about such things.


I don't do "flexible" either, V.  Don't be disgusting.

OK, I'll be serious now.  I've seen samples of these emails that dominas get and I take the point - partially.  Category A) is a callow youth, or even callow older man, who thinks that he's complimenting a woman on how sexy she is when he mentions his stiffy.  These will, to some some extent, be assuming that you'd be as delighted to hear that they're stiff as they'd be delighted to hear that you're 'wet' at reading their own profiles.  They might not understand that this is still an 'unstylish' assumption, even though the women concerned are dominant and have thus, they presume, broken away from all kinds of conventions. 

Category B) however, is aggressive and forceful.  It's the equivalent to the catcalling and whistling of men who heckle women who walk past a building site.  I've seen these sorts of mails, too. 

I suspect that the biggest complaint is of these category B) type mails. The key thing for me is that women don't ever do mails like that.  They're never aggressive.  It's  a huge difference and it's that, I think, that alienates the women who are written to in this way.




Venatrix -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:52:01 AM)

I couldn't agree with you more.  Because there's absolutely NOTHING more important going on in my life than getting worked up over someone's boorish behaviour. 




Venatrix -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 10:54:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The key thing for me is that women don't ever do mails like that.  They're never aggressive. 



That, my dear, is complete, unadulterated poo. 




PeonForHer -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 11:07:49 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The key thing for me is that women don't ever do mails like that.  They're never aggressive. 



That, my dear, is complete, unadulterated poo. 



No, you're talking bollocks, now, V.  

Well, OK, if they're being aggressive, then it just doesn't feel that way to me and I suspect most males.  This is the old, old, old thing: men - for the most part, I reckon, just aren't threatened by women in that way.  They want women to be sexually aggressive.  Perhaps they assume, wrongly, that dominant women have worked that out.

I've had more than a few mails from women I've never spoken to saying they want to stripe my back (or equivalent).  Am I offended?  Of course I'm not.  Far from it.

I've a feeling that a hundred years from now, those women who are into D/s will look at threads like this and think, "how quaint".




mystickoolaid -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 11:11:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DiurnalVampire

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha


Ladies, when you receive an introductary email that says "I got hard looking at your profile," do you think "creep" or "right on!"?



Thats always creepy in my opinion. I dont like being looked at as a sex object and nothing more. If the only thing you can think to send to me is a message about your hard cock (or worse... a picture of it) then you are already thinking with the wrong head and you ahve lost my interest.

DV


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Venatrix -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 11:13:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

The key thing for me is that women don't ever do mails like that.  They're never aggressive. 



That, my dear, is complete, unadulterated poo. 



No, you're talking bollocks, now, V.  



Usually, yes, but not in this case.  You see, you made a fairly blanket generalisation.  Most of the time, there are enough exceptions to make blanket generalisations unadulterated poo.  In my years on this planet I've come across a fair number of sexually aggressive women, and that's by my rather liberal standards.  Just 'cause they ain't chasin' you doesn't mean they don't exist. [;)]




PeonForHer -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 11:24:50 AM)

Just 'cause they ain't chasin' you doesn't mean they don't exist. [;)]

Ok, but I wasn't talking about lesbian sexually-aggressive women, V.  Do try to keep up. 




AAkasha -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 11:51:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer



I suspect that the biggest complaint is of these category B) type mails. The key thing for me is that women don't ever do mails like that.  They're never aggressive.  It's  a huge difference and it's that, I think, that alienates the women who are written to in this way.


I consider myself to be pretty tactful, and I can say I have written some fairly aggressive, downright sexual emails, even to semi-strangers.  But I know that men are generally ok with it. Is it a double standard?  Probably.  Do I care? Not really.  If I am going to objectify a man without knowing him, I know I'm taking a risk; I also know that MOST men find it very, very hot to be seen as a sex object.    I don't do this very often and when I do, I still make sure I am doing it with a fair degree of tact or class (I am thinking real life examples now, not so much Internet or email, because s I have been guilty of both). If I were fully bi-sexual, though, I would never approach a woman in this way; why? Because I know it's not effective, in most cases. Know your audience!

A carefully placed, "My panties are wet right now. Because of you." or "I just masturbated thinking about you," from a woman to a man, when you at LEAST feel there's a spark, can be good.  But maybe I'm talking in circles here, because the thing is, I DO make sure there's a degree of chemistry, even if it's eye contact and a smile, and his body language, mannerisms tell me he's going to be good with that kind of thing.  I get a read on a person before manhandling them. I spent a lot of time learning to "read a room" and pick out the guys who I could click with on matters of this kind, and clearly there are some men that would be offended by such talk.  Not so many, though.  And not in the circles I run in.

Email? ehh. Different. Sure, in a moment of femdom lust, or after a few cocktails in my crazier youth, I might have fired off a very explicit email to a man who did not know me and perhaps it was too forward. I don't usually do that though because *most smart men would assume it's a guy pretending to be a woman if I was so crass and blatant*!

Once I sent a very sexually suggestive email to an escape artist I saw online.  It was fairly graphic. He liked it.  But I was just being honest. :)

Akasha




Lockit -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 12:26:14 PM)

 

If I am lookin hot as my fifty year old domme ass can, walking down the street or in a super market or even an adult book store, does a man have a right to speak suggestivily or show me his body parts? Call me a prude or whatever you want, but I am going to have to disagree with the picture being here to sexually entice men.  If I don't have a picture, does it mean I wasn't trying to sexually entice them?  I have a picture to show people, including men who I am, but that does not mean even because we are at a site that caters to bdsm'ers that someone has a right to be aggressive, assualting, rude and sexual with me. 

Back in the day, they used to judge a woman who dressed sexy and if she got raped, men got off.  Some pictures are sexy and one will I am sure get more shit from emails and men here, but I am not in any kind of outfit, not showing boobies... and nothing suggestive and I get a lot of mail that isn't cool.  I don't look at anyone but the one doing it and think what an idiot, he is going to do well here and close the email. 

Okay I expect it, I don't get upset about it and do laugh about it, but if someone asks a question about it and I give my take on it, does that mean I am complaining?  Does that mean I am unrealistic?  Does it mean any or all things?  No, it means I have an opinion on the topic.

If I want to make fun of lil trolls and socially infant type males with a stiffy, I am allowed, but I don't email them and tease or mess with them... unless they email me first sometimes. 

I love you V... but on this one I have to disagree or hope you are joking! lol




PeonForHer -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 4:33:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer



I suspect that the biggest complaint is of these category B) type mails. The key thing for me is that women don't ever do mails like that.  They're never aggressive.  It's  a huge difference and it's that, I think, that alienates the women who are written to in this way.


I consider myself to be pretty tactful, and I can say I have written some fairly aggressive, downright sexual emails, even to semi-strangers.  But I know that men are generally ok with it. Is it a double standard?  Probably.  Do I care? Not really.  If I am going to objectify a man without knowing him, I know I'm taking a risk; I also know that MOST men find it very, very hot to be seen as a sex object.    I don't do this very often and when I do, I still make sure I am doing it with a fair degree of tact or class (I am thinking real life examples now, not so much Internet or email, because s I have been guilty of both). If I were fully bi-sexual, though, I would never approach a woman in this way; why? Because I know it's not effective, in most cases. Know your audience!

A carefully placed, "My panties are wet right now. Because of you." or "I just masturbated thinking about you," from a woman to a man, when you at LEAST feel there's a spark, can be good.  But maybe I'm talking in circles here, because the thing is, I DO make sure there's a degree of chemistry, even if it's eye contact and a smile, and his body language, mannerisms tell me he's going to be good with that kind of thing.  I get a read on a person before manhandling them. I spent a lot of time learning to "read a room" and pick out the guys who I could click with on matters of this kind, and clearly there are some men that would be offended by such talk.  Not so many, though.  And not in the circles I run in.

Email? ehh. Different. Sure, in a moment of femdom lust, or after a few cocktails in my crazier youth, I might have fired off a very explicit email to a man who did not know me and perhaps it was too forward. I don't usually do that though because *most smart men would assume it's a guy pretending to be a woman if I was so crass and blatant*!

Once I sent a very sexually suggestive email to an escape artist I saw online.  It was fairly graphic. He liked it.  But I was just being honest. :)

Akasha



Well A, the most sexually-aggressive email I've ever had was from one of the gentlest sorts of dominas of my acquaintance.  She was very embarrassed about it afterwards and probably still isn't convinced that I loved that email and for all the reasons to which you're alluding. 

Yes, I agree, there's a double standard.  Yet I've seen one or two samples of the sorts of very aggressive emails sent to dominas who are friends of mine - and they do take a different tone.  A tone that's somewhere between "I want to fuck you!" and "fuck you, bitch!".  It's peculiar and I've never really understood it.

BUT - to a certain extent, I think boys will be boys just as pups will be pups.  The former will always over-focus on their dicks just as the latter will always bark and poop.  I'm afraid I can't ever imagine a day, no matter how far in a more gender-equal future, when they're not going to be . . . shall we say . . . unhampered by style and panache when approaching the targets of their lust. 

As a total aside: here, in the UK, there's the institution of the "finishing school".  These are for the daughters of rich people who've finished their academic schooling and are designed to teach girls how to be "young ladies".  They're all about teaching style, etiquette and manners.  Yes, yes, I know, how quaint.  But my point is: if such schools need to exist, then I've always thought boys need them way more than do girls.  It'd help their future love lives a great deal, I'd say.




MistresseLotus -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/25/2008 5:56:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Ladies, when you receive an introductary email that says "I got hard looking at your profile," do you think "creep" or "right on!"?

Akasha

I think "Oh crikey.. get a life".




SlaveBlutarsky -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/26/2008 3:42:00 PM)

This thread is making me hard. [:)]

Just kidding.

I subscribe to the belief that you don't email a Domme something you wouldn't say to their face, so if I'm emailing someone for the first time, I'm not throwing out my hardness level, or anything along those lines. I'm a very conservative person when it comes to that type of stuff, so it's certainly not something I'd discuss upon meeting someone for the first time. I rarely even talk about sexual stuff at all until asked or it's been brought up by my audience. 




Politesub53 -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/26/2008 4:49:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Ladies, when you receive an introductary email that says "I got hard looking at your profile," do you think "creep" or "right on!"?

Akasha



I am stunned some guys even do this. Firstly, it lacks class, and secondly, it lacks class. Does it ever work ?

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  The best rule of thumb?  Keep it to yourself, that's my opinion.  Like all things, you'll get the green light when she asks you, "Do I make you hard?" or "Are you turned on right now?"  Otherwise, to bring it up, you might shoot yourself in the foot.


Very good advice Ma`am. Either stick to the above, or use past sessions as a guide. I can imagine stating I am hard only to be told " And your point is ? "




PeonForHer -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/26/2008 4:59:59 PM)

I wonder if "Your profile gave me a tumescence" would work any better? 

OK, it'd still show that the writer's a ouanquer, but it'd at least show he's one who can use a dictionary.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: When is it ok for a submissive to tell you he's hard? (11/26/2008 5:01:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Ladies, when you receive an introductary email that says "I got hard looking at your profile," do you think "creep" or "right on!"?
Akasha



I am stunned some guys even do this. Firstly, it lacks class, and secondly, it lacks class. Does it ever work ?



That's because you are POLITEsub!  [;)]  The internets are not a noted breeding ground for class or manners. 




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