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ProtagonistLily -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 5:52:22 AM)
quote: Well this is a situation that I wish you to consider.... Your Dominant gives you instructions to get a Room as a particular Hotel. Pay Cash when you check in. He also instructs you to go to the room... call him at his home with his cell that he has left for you with the room number that your at... and wait. After you followed the above instructions he arrives at the hotel and knocks on the door.... it is late in the evening.. you been there several hours waiting for him. He tells you to stripe and lay on the bed. After you have done as such... he does the following.. Ties you to the bed... gags you... then he takes out of the bag a.... electrical cord... that is spliced in one end... the ties the postive and negative wires to your nipples... bare wire. He then takes the other end of the cord and plugs into the wall plug. Now in the middle is a switch box with a switch... the wires are going into this box...... He looks at you... "I give you five minutes to flip the switch".... what action do you take as he stands there facing away from you looking at his watch. _____________________________ Knight of Mists Mmmmm.....mindfuck. We had a really fun mindfuck thread last year and this particular one reminded me of something Darthbetta posted. As I read down the list of replies, clearly Mindfuck, as a kink, ain't for everyone so to speak. If we are talking about MY Dom, and not some random guy who I met on the internet, I'd flip the switch. I'm property, and from where we sit, you protect the property. That does not preclude doing elaborate mindfuck. Standing outside of this scenerio, it's easy to look at it objectively and make a determination based on the fact that my heart isn't beating a million miles an hour, my breathing is pretty regular and my endorphine's aren't pumping through me. For those of you who've lost your minds and think this is some kind of 'abusive' idea, I encourage you to actually engage in some SM. For those of you who think this is a 'joke', guess again. If you have a Dominant that is willing to do the creative work to stage elaborate mind fuck scenes, as far as I'm concerned, he's a keeper. Happy holidays to all, Lily

fyreredsub -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 5:54:33 AM)
lolol, good one. i'm not doing either...[8D] quote: ORIGINAL: caitlyn Is this before or after we fall to our death in the boat going over the waterfall? [;)]

ProtagonistLily -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 5:59:02 AM)
quote: KoM, this seems contrary to the Dom's duty to protect the submissive from harm. i don't know what to make of it; that he is really an abusive man and she is just now discovering it; that he concealed his sadism and now hopes she is a masocist? i am confused. camdystripper Candy, honey, it's a mind fuck. It's an elaborately staged scenerio to screw with someone's head. They are most fun. But this is not something I would do with someone I didn't know, and didn't know well. This type of scene is something you grow into with someone, at least from where I sit. Remember, the poster said that the person doing this was "your Dom". In order to be my Dom, and not some guy I know who's dominant, you have to have earned that right. (I know, shocking as it must seem, I feel that in order to be able to own me, a Dom has to prove he's worthy of owing me.) I guess if people are happy sitting around waiting for their prince to show up and filling the time judging other people's kinks, more power to you. But it's sort of like trying to tell someone they are nuts for liking a particular kind of food when you've never tried it for yourself. In WIIWD, experience does count. Lily

KnightofMists -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 6:15:41 AM)
I love thoughts like the one I have posted... it one of those that really doesn't have a right answer... for they are just a reflection of our own perspectives of others and our situations. To Flip... yeah many might just do the flip... no self-respecting Dom/Master would ever harm their property... Not to Flip .... one of the most common directives/rules that any Dom/Master has for their sub/slaves is to always protect their property.... If one truly believes they would be harmed then they do not flip the switch. However, one does have to ask why didn't I flip the switch. We often claim that trust is the most important aspect of the relationships in D/s, so why is it that the trust wasn't enough to flip the switch. It is important to consider that we in relationships are always making this same choice... flip the switch or not. We are faced with considerations of Trust over Risk all the time. We often make these choices blindly without even considerations of the risks..... sometimes the risks are very apparent to us... and the sub/slave will have to take a step deeper into the relationshp... trust alittle more... and hopefully will be reward for that increased trust. Kyra and I shared much with each other before she actually visited me. We both flipped and didn't flip the switch of various occassions as we built the trust between us. She made the decision to fly across the continent to see me... a huge flip of the switch so to speak.... and we have been flipping the switches ever since... sometimes we stare at the switch alittle struggle to take that next step. But, no one is going to flip the switch unless they see the Trust to be more than the Risk. Of course I will add that some are reckless in flipping the switch.. there considerations of the risk is minimal. In fact, they are self-destructive.... you see these types of people all the time. They jumping without considerations that should be made.... and more times than not we all these people a "train-wreck" waiting to happen. I think we all know one or two of these people. The other extreme is someone that can never trust in the relationship. They will look at someone with suspicion and always looking to have one foot out of the door as they trying to make the relationship work. They are waiting for the person to give them a reason to end the relationship or even expecting that is the way it will be. Often these are people that been hurt so badly in relationships they look upon all others with bitterment and even contempt. The sad thing is many of them don't even see this behavior that is so apparent to everyone else. As a final note, This situation actually happened with someone I know... it wasn't something that came from my kinky mind G. She choose not to flip the switch!

MHOO314 -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 6:53:02 AM)
caitlyn---Rule #1-- a Mistress never breaks a sweat in manual labor (or breaks a nail)--so you would not paddle dear, you'd have your slaves do it--(while your nails dried)--smiles

orfunboi -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 7:25:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists Well this is a situation that I wish you to consider.... Your Dominant gives you instructions to get a Room as a particular Hotel. Pay Cash when you check in. He also instructs you to go to the room... call him at his home with his cell that he has left for you with the room number that your at... and wait. After you followed the above instructions he arrives at the hotel and knocks on the door.... it is late in the evening.. you been there several hours waiting for him. He tells you to stripe and lay on the bed. After you have done as such... he does the following.. Ties you to the bed... gags you... then he takes out of the bag a.... electrical cord... that is spliced in one end... the ties the postive and negative wires to your nipples... bare wire. He then takes the other end of the cord and plugs into the wall plug. Now in the middle is a switch box with a switch... the wires are going into this box...... He looks at you... "I give you five minutes to flip the switch".... what action do you take as he stands there facing away from you looking at his watch. i'd flip the switch....if i didn't trust her enough to know i would be ok, i wouldn't be with her in the first place :)

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 8:04:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists He looks at you... "I give you five minutes to flip the switch".... what action do you take as he stands there facing away from you looking at his watch. I don't get it, so I'd just give him a confused look. Does he want me to flip it within five minutes? Or does he want to see if I WILL flip it within five minutes? Is he giving me an order to flip it? I can tell you I certainly do not WANT to flip it. But in all likelihood, if he ordered me to do it, I'd take a few seconds to steel myself up and then do it.

justatoy2 -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 8:33:26 AM)
ita a classic mind fuck. Would a girl do whatever her Master asks without question? Knowing me i would probably reach for the switch to switch it, with tears falling down my face, and he would stop me before i reached it. I have been in similar situations, and my Master so loves a good mind fuck. I have to admit i love it and hate it at the same time. Its a great question Knight. Bravo.

truesub4u -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 10:43:24 AM)
KOM, I read your post, i answered the thread. And I just now read your return on this. And I know now what you were seeking in that post. Do I trust my Master? Being new to each other..... not fully yet. Still building here. But more so everyday. I guess I am one of those that look to see if there's a problem, or over analize and bring up one. One foot in the door to make it easier to escape so to speak. Because of past relationships, experiances on many levels... or not enough levels... and either I have or have been disappointed. But I at least can be open about this to Master, and get his help and working this out. Slowly but surely. Oh and thanks for the great mind fuck there. It's given me something else to think on and talk with Master about.

Wildfleurs -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 11:26:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Prunesquallor What no one has considered is that the box might contain a timer which will close the contacts after five minutes have elapsed. This can only be stopped if the sub demonstrates her unquestioning obedience by flipping the switch, which will turn off the timer. This is why I'm not a fan of mind fucks. If the dominant is so desperate to see the submissives obedience that they have to cobble together a lie to test them.... then I'm not thinking that highly of them. I've found that life and my owners whims test me enough without him having to make up tests. C~

Wolfie648 -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 11:34:33 AM)
quote: Well this is a situation that I wish you to consider.... Your Dominant gives you instructions to get a Room as a particular Hotel. Pay Cash when you check in. He also instructs you to go to the room... call him at his home with his cell that he has left for you with the room number that your at... and wait. After you followed the above instructions he arrives at the hotel and knocks on the door.... it is late in the evening.. you been there several hours waiting for him. He tells you to stripe and lay on the bed. After you have done as such... he does the following.. Ties you to the bed... gags you... then he takes out of the bag a.... electrical cord... that is spliced in one end... the ties the postive and negative wires to your nipples... bare wire. He then takes the other end of the cord and plugs into the wall plug. Now in the middle is a switch box with a switch... the wires are going into this box...... He looks at you... "I give you five minutes to flip the switch".... what action do you take as he stands there facing away from you looking at his watch. If the sub trusts the dom, they 1) ask to have their arms untied if they are tied and then 2) flips the switch. I honestly hope that the wires inside the box do not close the circuit when the switch is flipped. Not being an electrician tho' I don't know if that would short anything out at the wall or in the box, potentially creating a fire hazard? If flipping the switch does close the circuit I'd say someone didn't take their sanity pills that morning. The question is does the sub trust the dom or not? Nice mindfuck here keep up the good work :-) D (owner of j)

Yourkitten -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 3:21:32 PM)
Im Dr_SMXtreme, current Master of yourkitten... I have just read this post and could not believe that somone would be ignorant enough to place electrical wires that is plugged into an electrical outlet, to a sub's nipples that crosses the heart. I have been in Emergency Services for going on 18 years and know that if you put that amount of electricity across the body like that you can put the heart in to ventricular fibrillation, ventricular tachycardia or asystole. either one of these rhythms can be detrimental and lethal to any sub placed in this position. this is not a matter of whether a sub will or wont throw the switch, but a matter of if the sub knows its a matter of their LIFE or DEATH. any master who would put their sub in this position is inconsiderate and dangerous and needs to stay out of the BDSM world. and I dont want to hear the BS about "well, the sub should trust their Master".. because if the Master was anytype of Master at all, you know you do not play nor kid around in that manner. unless you have a defibrillator, IV solutions, BVM's, oxygen and all the drugs you need to work a CARDIAC ARREST.. this is something you should not evern remotely attempt to do. as far as any other responses.. I dont care.. I pick up enough and see enough death and dying and stupid people from doing stupid stuff that it DOES NOT MATTER!.. so, with that said.. play it safe, smart.. and I wont have to pick you up and explain to your family how you died with an electrical cord tied to your nipples and plugged into a wall witha switch!!

IrishMist -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 3:42:49 PM)
/shudders violently Always hated mind fucks... Still do for that matter [&:]

jamesthehumanrug -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 7:58:16 PM)
greetings misty knites,greetings, i dont know.... what box does it go ,to again?! i did'nt know a guy has a box so to speak... according, to psychology and the volumes ,of knowledge: it depends ,on if we have uniforms ,on ,or not, in other words; we'd be zapping the hell out, of anybody ,if we were'nt stripped ,of our uniforms. it's fifty plus yrs of science you're arguing, with,not me...., if i found ,out anyone was zapping me ,without my express consent ;i would beat them dead ,for their crimes ,against hostages, and, me;no matter who the heck it is ;that's how i feel -right now-.... who and ,how ; remains the question, that's how zappers i had occasion to encounter so far are still alive , since ,that's my current torture situation going ,on ,almost 2 years; zapping me is mayhem; torture, and ,maiming;sneaky cause certain evil cowards can dish it out but, can't take it ; worse i'd let real mob headhunter-doms take care ,of their problems permanant ,if i don't ..... think ,about this...., altho i'm a humble slave; how do you skin a person like this alive? cheese slicer, and, a known sadists in the mob, or freeze, with dry ice ,and ,get an imported hitman, or stretch em, out then tear away the baggy skin ,but i want this zapper .....get me? consent ;play; consensual;is one thing ,but, left ,to the criminally-insane; let me ,at them right, now.......merry-xmas and ,seasons greetings !,to you and all of yours....and, to everyone ...a magic good night on the holidays...

clover -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/24/2005 9:34:56 PM)
If it were MY Domme...yeah, I'd flip. But that's almost 4 years of trust talking.

girl4you2 -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/25/2005 12:54:36 AM)
edited: quote: ORIGINAL: Yourkitten Im Dr_SMXtreme, current Master of yourkitten... put that amount of electricity across the body like that you can put the heart in to ventricular fibrillation, ventricular tachycardia or asystole. either one can be detrimental and lethal a matter of their LIFE or DEATH. unless you have a defibrillator, IV solutions, BVM's, oxygen and all the drugs you need to work a CARDIAC ARREST.. you might need to add a scalpel with sharp blade, cauterizer, bone saw, spreader, and a manual on doing open heart massage as well. once the heart goes out of regular rhythm, you're not guaranteed to kick it back even with a fully staffed ER and OR, but you've a heck of a lot more chance than with a home defib kit and knowing cpr and first aid. i think the disclaimer for this should be that you don't mess with things that aren't a mind thing unless you are with someone trained and having privliges in a really close by ER and OR. informed and educated consent. i wish you well.

ExistentialSteel -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/25/2005 2:32:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: girl4you2 edited: quote: ORIGINAL: Yourkitten Im Dr_SMXtreme, current Master of yourkitten... put that amount of electricity across the body like that you can put the heart in to ventricular fibrillation, ventricular tachycardia or asystole. either one can be detrimental and lethal a matter of their LIFE or DEATH. unless you have a defibrillator, IV solutions, BVM's, oxygen and all the drugs you need to work a CARDIAC ARREST.. you might need to add a scalpel with sharp blade, cauterizer, bone saw, spreader, and a manual on doing open heart massage as well. once the heart goes out of regular rhythm, you're not guaranteed to kick it back even with a fully staffed ER and OR, but you've a heck of a lot more chance than with a home defib kit and knowing cpr and first aid. i think the disclaimer for this should be that you don't mess with things that aren't a mind thing unless you are with someone trained and having privliges in a really close by ER and OR. informed and educated consent. i wish you well. Geez, folks. I don't care if you are EMT's or whatever with the most extensive emergency equipment or a heart lung machine right in your house, it can still be fatal. Don't make it sound as if you can put someone in V-fib and pull them out of it if you are trained. It doesn't always work that way. Only use Tens Units or whatever below the waist. However, the whole point, as he explained later is that it is not really done. It is a mind fuck and trust test.

swtnsparkling -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/25/2005 2:43:58 AM)
quote: If you have a Dominant that is willing to do the creative work to stage elaborate mind fuck scenes, as far as I'm concerned, he's a keeper. Happy holidays to all, Lily i'm with you- a keeper Have i had a Dom whom i trusted that much to flip? You bethca! common sense also tells me, he isn't really wanting to kill me or have me fry myself lol and spend his life in jail. Mind Fuck- The Dom uses whatever means to heighten anticipation or heighten fear to intensify the subs reaction. IMO - mmmm what a rush edited: not awake yet and my copy n paste is messed up - Happy Holidays as well

Focus50 -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/25/2005 1:37:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists He looks at you... "I give you five minutes to flip the switch".... what action do you take as he stands there facing away from you looking at his watch. I don't get it, so I'd just give him a confused look. Does he want me to flip it within five minutes? Or does he want to see if I WILL flip it within five minutes? Is he giving me an order to flip it? I can tell you I certainly do not WANT to flip it. But in all likelihood, if he ordered me to do it, I'd take a few seconds to steel myself up and then do it. Well count me in with the dummies who don't get it, either! So I'd also expect to see a confused look on her face. This is what's called a mind-fuck?? I just can't get past the part of how she has any choice at all when bound.... Surely we're not talking about the kind of "bondage" some doms use where the sub probably could escape but "isn't supposed to"....? If I tied her to the bed in said scenario and gave such commands, all I've done is set her up to fail because she really is bound.... If this is classic mind-fuck, I'm content with being an unimaginative, non-keeper Dom.... lol Focus.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: To Flip or Not to Flip (12/25/2005 1:53:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Focus50 I just can't get past the part of how she has any choice at all when bound.... Focus I get the point of having a choice- when you're going to do a predicament bondage or sort of scene- give them a choice between one thing that you hate and another thing. Do you push the needles in deeper OR do you make the other girl scream by leaning forward? That I get. But I didn't see a clear choice here, or any directive at all. There's no conequences, just a blank situation.

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