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plantlady64 -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/26/2005 6:45:05 AM)

Hello There,
I can respect that High Monogamy (as you put it) works for you and is the correct choice for you. I hope you can respect those that have open relationships or poly rleationships are doing what's right for them.
It's not always about something being wrong in the relationship that makes you seek sexual partners other than your one.
My Master and I share our hearts and home. We know we are the main couple in our relationship. We have others who know we are in love that we play with. They are aware this is play time and no deeply rooted mated relationship is being built but rather a deep friendship.
This type of relationship with intimate other friends works for us well.
We actually feel you have to trust deeper, communicate more fully, and respect each others desires more when you have an open relationship than when you do when you have a 1 on 1 deal.

Prior to February I though and felt much like you did candystripper. If my guy cheated or saw another that was a deal breaker for me. I spent my whole life as a nymph without a lover to quench my needs or desires and though it had to be this way for me to be a good girl.
Last New Years my resolution was to do what makes me happy as long as it didn't hurt someone else. Till then I was sacrificing my wants and meeting all those around me's needs, but not being sure I allowed myself my own choices. I wanted to be who everyone else thought I should be.

Well things changed dramatically during this past year to say the least. I am now happier than I've been in my whole adult life. Part of this is knowing I'm free to follow my desires and urges.

My Master and I also don't feel our hearts are rooted in our crotches. Just because you have a scene or sex with someone else does not mean your love in your permanent relationship is any less that it was. It means you have more of a chance of finding balance you seek.
SIncerely,
sub suzanne




liljoy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/26/2005 7:12:58 AM)

suzanne,
i just wanted to say thank you for that post. i've never understood open relationships and you did a very good job at explaining yours to me. It's still not for me but now i understand it better.

This is one of the biggest reasons i enjoy this board so much. It gives me a chance to see the world through others eyes and understand them better.

Thanks again
lil_joy




plantlady64 -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/26/2005 9:49:02 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: liljoy

suzanne,
i just wanted to say thank you for that post. i've never understood open relationships and you did a very good job at explaining yours to me. It's still not for me but now i understand it better.

This is one of the biggest reasons i enjoy this board so much. It gives me a chance to see the world through others eyes and understand them better.

Thanks again
lil_joy


Hello lil joy,
Thanks for your note.
I too value these boards so I can understand others perspectives.
I am glad I could be of assistance for you.
Sincerely,
sub suzanne




caitlyn -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/26/2005 11:32:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: candystripper
There may be more lessons to parse out of the thread; but it contains so much ugliness i don't plan to spend alot of time working at other questions i might ask.


Remember the abuse threads? There are times when you just need to learn to laugh the hardest, when you are hurt the most.

Forgive me it my advice is out of line. [:D]




brightspot -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/26/2005 11:39:29 AM)

quote:

Well, I don't know about everyone else...but my Christmas was really good. Had some friends over, my daughter let it be known for another year that yes, she rules this house ...we had some good food, good conversation


I had a wonderful Holiday weekend.
Spent time with MsN's big Italian family, you talk about a lot of food!
Lot's of wonderful, funny conversation too.
Everyone welcomed me with open arms, felt really good, now I just have to try and figure out who belongs to who, I am getting good at the names though[:D].
Everyone here in Chicago is happy of course because the Bears won!

Hope ya'all had some fun!


*Brightspot




cloudboy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 3:02:14 PM)


>High Monogamy??!! This type of term Disgust me.... it's no better that the references,Those universal claims that Slave is better than Sub... Bi is better than straight.... that Poly is better than Monogamy, Men are better than women. Fact is we have our individual perferences that are best for us as an individual... But when we use terms and label that imply valuations better and beyond those of others...... These type of self-serving one-up-man-ships terminologies reflect an intense defensiveness and even prejudical view upon others.

I know a few people that will not be involving themself in this discussion, a thread that is fundamental flawed before it even begins. <

Although I have problems with her terminology and assumptions (I have not formulated a respone), I would just say that Candystripper is only describing her IDEAL relationship. If "high monogamy" is her ideal, then naturally everything else except that will be flawed. I don't think this is "disgusting" as much as it is axiomatic.

The trouble she is obviously having, tho, is that people are not necessarilly monogamous by nature in her experience. So her ideal remains elusive.

For me the question is, how flexible should monogomy be? Do you really love someone by expecting them to only love and have feelings for you ---- for an entire lifetime? Is "high monogamy" just another word for possession or exclusivity?

I don't think there are any easy answers, but the easiest route would be simple formula of:

1. Find "THE ONE"
2. Get married
3. Remain in love at all times
4. Live 40-50 years and feel utterly contented in one's only, exclusive relationship.

The trouble with making the above an IDEAL is how it is so at odds with real life, real people, and the passage of time (years).

At the last wedding I attended, I posed a question to my friends, "Why isn't marriage a time of mourning? Fuck, this means AJ will never get to strike up another strong connection to another womean for the rest of his life. Why do we even think this is a good thing?"

Right now, I am married "with permission." I don't consider this the ideal thing, but what do ideals actually have to do with our actual lives? They can be an inspiration, true, but they can also be bane as well.

One thing I will say about being married with permission, my emotional well being is not all on one significant other. She does not have to be everything for me and visa versa. Next, one is permitted a modicum of newness (new relationship energy), adventure, and freedom with which "high monogamy" are all antithetical.

And as some final food-for-thought I enclose the following view:

> Parents, teachers, and concerned adults all counsel against premature marriage. But they rarely speak the truth about marriage as it really is in modern middle class America. The truth as I see it is that contemporary marriage is a wretched institution. It spells the end of voluntary affection, of love freely given and joyously received. Beautiful romances are transmuted into dull marriages, and eventually the relationship becomes constricting, corrosive, grinding, and destructive. The beautiful love affair becomes a bitter contract.

The basic reason for this sad state of affairs is that marriage was not designed to bear the burdens now being asked of it by the urban American middle class. It is an institution that evolved over centuries to meet some very specific functional needs of a non industrial society. Romantic love was viewed as tragic, or merely irrelevant. Today it is the titillating prelude to domestic tragedy, or, perhaps more frequently, to domestic grotesqueries that are only pathetic.

Marriage was not designed as a mechanism for providing friendship, erotic experience, romantic love, personal fulfillment, continuous lay psychotherapy, or recreation. The Western European family was not designed to carry a lifelong load of highly emotional romantic freight. Given its present structure, it simply has to fail when asked to do so. The very idea of an irrevocable contract obligating the parties concerned to a lifetime of romantic effort is utterly absurd. <

Mervyn Cadwallader
Writing in THE ATLANTIC, 1966




cloudboy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 4:02:36 PM)


Over-sensitive people dicker/take offense over word choices. It was clear to me you were trying to establish a new more clear standard of an ideal relationship for you. Just b/c you chose "High Monogamy" never meant (to me at least) that you were classifying yourself as superior or your own ideal as everyone else's.

Funny, when you try and set higher standards and make distinctions, oftentimes you upset the establishment.

The problem I see for you, is that love often finds you and you do not find it. In such a case, it becomes difficult to dictate terms or control the arc love takes.

I think a mistake people make is the idea of forcing love, when it might simply be better to follow it. afmvdp made reference to this idea when he said, "Love, despite what some people try to force others to believe is not of a limited supply, it is boundless and endless."




cloudboy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 4:15:18 PM)


Could anyone tell me what "WIITWD" stands for?




ModeratorEleven -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 4:28:17 PM)

What It Is That We Do. It's a catch-all meant to be all inclusive without stepping on any overly-sensitive toes.

XI




cloudboy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 4:32:49 PM)


Boy, this post really made me think. I appreciate your analysis, point of view, and "putting of self" in your writing.




JohnWarren -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 5:05:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Could anyone tell me what "WIITWD" stands for?


what it is that we do

Unbrella statement for our kind of things; since some people have been pulling apart BDSM, others have reverted to the earlier term




cloudboy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/30/2005 5:08:39 PM)


I sent this post to my Mistress (she does not post here) and she had the following reply. Might I say before I put it in, that I think my Mistress is extremely grounded, wise, open minded, adventuresome, experienced, sensible, and incitefull. Whenever I have decisions or judgments that challenge me, especially of a social nature, I constantly think WWMD (what would Mistress do.)

Sorry for the Tolstian overlay, I can't help myself where she is concerned, but now I'll let her words speak for themselves.

Re: High Monogamy:

>I think the idea of High Monogamy can only happen either in the
passion of a new relationship, or a strict Ds one, where the
limitations of such a relationship could enhance feelings of
submission and emotional bondage.<

This is why I love my Mistress so. She never, and I mean never makes a mountain out of a anthill. She is responsive. She is direct. She is succinct. She sticks to the main point and central question. She rarely takes offense. God, I just love her. O, and might I add, I agree with her. (All these qualities help her put up with me quite well, as you can imagine.)




ImpGrrl -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 6:33:27 AM)



quote:

Personally, i want High Monogamy. That means first and foremost that He has chosen me to help create a space within this world that belongs just to U/us. It means He is really dedicated to our relationship, as am i.


Funny - that's exactly what we have in our non-monogamous (potentially poly) relationship.





ImpGrrl -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 7:00:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fyreredsub

serving,being owned by and collared to one Master is monogomous,
in every sense of the word


I don't understand this.

I serve Sir. I belong to him (we don't currently use the word "owned").

But we're *very* non-monogamous.





SelkiePet1 -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 7:02:36 AM)

WHY do so many in this thread have their knickers in a twist?

for god's sake, not ONCE did candy even suggest that what she was looking for was the ONLY way or the RIGHT away - all she said is what she would like! she used the term "high" ina way I understood clearly - becuase I know that reading theses boards (indeed many of the replies), the term "monogomy" is used fast and loose.

and befre you attack me - I have no issue with whatever turns your crank - any of you - as long you and yours are happy with therelationship.

but monogomy, no matter how you couch it - is a relationship betwen two people - exclusively -

why so many of you are so defensive I don't understand!

we are adults. what any of us choose do as consenting adults is no one's business - at all - in any way, means or form.

but candy's desires are just as legitimate as anyone elses.

I would never presume to decide for someone else what sort of lifestyle or what sort of relationship they should have - I'll leave that to the religious right! But what I do respect is each individuals' choice as to what works for them.
and I think that is ALL that candy was saying!




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 8:50:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SelkiePet1

for god's sake, not ONCE did candy even suggest that what she was looking for was the ONLY way or the RIGHT away - all she said is what she would like! she used the term "high" ina way I understood clearly - becuase I know that reading theses boards (indeed many of the replies), the term "monogomy" is used fast and loose.


Well selkie, let me see if I can explain something that I come away with in this post. A word, reguardless of how you try to change it's meaning, will still infer a certain implication. Lets take the word n#gger. Somewhere down the line, white elitist started using it as a derogatory term. It's use then became insultive to the point of violence. Now a days, a black man walkin down the street calls those closest to him this same word. But let a white man utter it and he'll be lucky if an ambulance will be called for him after the beating. So what am I saying here. I'm saying that just because you "try" to change the meaning of a word, it'll still "imply" it's original meaning and to constanly use the term is to insult those you use it in front of. The word in reference is "high" and the fact that it refers to her veiw being better then everyone else's. What should we come away with in this? If this term is used in a circle of friends that finds it acceptable, then by all means use it with them. If it is used in a circle that does not find it acceptable, then to keep using it is an insult and an afront to people.

But all in all, I find that the rest of your post to be acceptable.




Nendarye -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 9:18:59 AM)

Very well said




cloudboy -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 2:51:18 PM)


I agree with you, but it did generate a great thread, and for that she deserves a lot of credit. I like posters who try to push the edge a little and challenge others.




MrDiscipline44 -> RE: What is Monogamy? (12/31/2005 3:33:10 PM)

Oh thank you. I have my moments.




nymphoshaz -> RE: What is Monogamy? (1/5/2006 10:18:32 AM)

i have a male sub but he doesnt satisfy me sexually but i satisfy him......i am not a domme in the true sense of the word im just learning....but he does understand that he doesnt satisfy me and i have to look other places for sexual satisfaction.......you have to do what is right for you.........that may be diferent for different people but i know what works for me




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