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marie2 -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 3:56:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists Of course, with anything.. the proper tool is needed I need a "tool" to make me a very good girl. marie, I believe they call that a "miracle". John !!! O Ye have little faith.

tormentedtears -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 4:23:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee i would rather have an honest exchange of sympathy/empathy...than be pitied because i just cant deal with this cold hard world...If i have a problem and i let the dominant know about it, i dont even necessarily want him to fix it...altho that would be nice once in a while and maybe when i grow up and get one of my own, ill do that. But for now i just need an ear to hear that im in crisis....a hug to let me know that im not physically alone in my fear....and someone to watch over me while i dig myself out of whatever hole i managed to dig for myself. [sm=soapbox.gif] steps off her soapbox and fixes her skirt, lowers her eyes and composes herself Wow... that would be the perfect relationship... listening, empathizing & standing witness with hugs.... A wonderful goal, don't You think? tt

persephonee -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 4:52:26 PM)
Well, yes, but you forgot to mention the ass play. Other than that, yes, perfect.

SirPrizeSD -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 5:16:37 PM)
As usual, different words mean different things to different people. In my opinion, molding a person in the long term does them an injustice. Teaching them how to act in ways that please me or what to anticipate and how to dress for My pleasure are not really forms of molding a person. But...to some, that could reach their fetish. Some like to believe they are sacrificing their identity to serve...even if just for a moment just as some role play for a scene. I have forced a subbie to act a certain way for a weekend....a way that was totally different than the way she would normally behave. Was this molding her? Well...yeah....for the short term. And you know what....we both liked it! <evil grin>. In the long run, however, I believe a persons self worth and happiness come from being proud of the person they are...and knowing that others can love and appreciate that person. I would think that the constant feeling that you had to change your inherent instincts would be very hard to live with for a prolonged period.

KnightofMists -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 6:13:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists Of course, with anything.. the proper tool is needed I need a "tool" to make me a very good girl. ooooooohhhhhh well.. guess that leaves me out... when I use my tool on a girl... well she tends be very naughty G

marie2 -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 6:26:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 quote: ORIGINAL: KnightofMists Of course, with anything.. the proper tool is needed I need a "tool" to make me a very good girl. ooooooohhhhhh well.. guess that leaves me out... when I use my tool on a girl... well she tends be very naughty G Fuck. I just can't win around here.

KnightofMists -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 6:54:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 Fuck. I just can't win around here. oh but language like that... there is hope for you in the naughty world cum and join the dark side G

Stroke -> RE: Mold me? (12/2/2008 7:40:03 PM)
This is not a matter of brainwashing. It is not a matter of losing one's sense of self or personality. It is about a sub/slave who has such a strong desire to please that she has placed herself completely into the masters hands. She has completely surrendered herself and has said to him, "Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be." I have seen alot of scoffing in this thread regarding molding. What I see is someone extremely submissive who wants to please strongly enough to want to be whatever her master desires. She craves his control strongly enough to become his clay as she places herself on his potters wheel and says "mold me". This isn't fantasy and it isn't brainwashing. Many have it within them to give themselves over this way to the right person. It can be a beautiful relationship and often is.

cjan -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 5:25:12 AM)
Yes, between a potter and his clay.

dawntreader -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 5:56:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: persephonee ....i would rather have an honest exchange of sympathy/empathy...than be pitied because i just cant deal with this cold hard world...If i have a problem and i let the dominant know about it, i dont even necessarily want him to fix it...altho that would be nice once in a while and maybe when i grow up and get one of my own, ill do that. But for now i just need an ear to hear that im in crisis....a hug to let me know that im not physically alone in my fear....and someone to watch over me while i dig myself out of whatever hole i managed to dig for myself. Greetings persephonee :-) That is exactly the way i feel as well! And i also like what tormentedtears said: standing witness with hugs.... Infact, this indeed is my situation now and i can tell you the strength and love i feel from him is what is pulling me thru this very big hole i have dug. And he knows how important it is for me to conquer this challenge for myself - vital to my growth experience in this lifetime and to his and my future... As to the submissive of victim mentality...i have no tolerance but i do empathize. i remember a relationship and a very dark time when i was willing to give up a substantial chunk of who i am to be rescued...thank goodness he could not fulfill his "promises" and i learned to become my own "knight in shinning armour". As to molding...i prefer to be inspired as i am now by the love of a man - to become what we both need for the relationship and the dynamic~

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 6:00:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke "Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be." And this is what I scoff at. Please explain how this is possible. Don't prattle on about wanting to be so submissive as if all it takes is desire. Tell me how one person can be made into whatever someone else wants, regardless of whatever limitations may exist for their own capabilities. John

Stroke -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 11:17:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke "Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be." And this is what I scoff at. Please explain how this is possible. Don't prattle on about wanting to be so submissive as if all it takes is desire. Tell me how one person can be made into whatever someone else wants, regardless of whatever limitations may exist for their own capabilities. John John, there are always limitations. It is an extremely rare thing for someone to be molded into EXACTLY what someone wants and I never intimated that someone could be. What I am saying is that without the sub/slaves desire to be molded that it cannot happen, and that it is her craving for control that makes molding possible. It comes from her desire to please. Whether he has inspired her to achieve that level of submission, or whether she is naturally that submissive, without her longing to please, it won't happen. But I do know of relationships where it has happened. Where a sub/slave feels so submissive towards someone that she wants to be everything that he wants her to be. That desire is not all that uncommon. Achieving it is. Stroke

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 11:46:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke "Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be." And this is what I scoff at. Please explain how this is possible. Don't prattle on about wanting to be so submissive as if all it takes is desire. Tell me how one person can be made into whatever someone else wants, regardless of whatever limitations may exist for their own capabilities. John Oftentimes people SAY Mould me. Make me whatever you want me to be but it's usually folowed by the unspoken * as long as I want the same. I ALSO would like to be what M wants me to be ......... because he wants me to be what I* want. For all that's been said ....... the word conjures up images for people that either cause distain, contented acceptance or nothing much at all. It's just a word........but like many words, it gets loaded with emotional connotations. You can only develop into what is possible......you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, no matter how much you want it..Dom or sub. It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with......... I'll die without you. I have finally discovered true love-you. I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me. Time stops when you hold me in your arms. It's all good stuff....lol agirl

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:02:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke But I do know of relationships where it has happened. Where a sub/slave feels so submissive towards someone that she wants to be everything that he wants her to be. That desire is not all that uncommon. Achieving it is. Stroke I agree that the desire isn't that uncommon. If I said it to M he'd probably ask * What is it that you think I want?*. Romantic language has it's place and I use it myself. It's an emotional interface and an expression of feelings IN a poetic sense. Some people really DO buy into the poetic and can't seperate it from reality but the majority of adults can. There's not a lot of point dismantling this kind of thing. agirl

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:03:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke John, there are always limitations. Agreed. Reality dictates that this is so. quote: It is an extremely rare thing for someone to be molded into EXACTLY what someone wants and I never intimated that someone could be. Actually, you did when you said... "What I see is someone extremely submissive who wants to please strongly enough to want to be whatever her master desires." You placed no limitations on that statement, and in the context of this discussion (which has centered on whether those limitations exist or not) I accepted you at your word. quote: What I am saying is that without the sub/slaves desire to be molded that it cannot happen, and that it is her craving for control that makes molding possible. At great risk of sounding like William Jefferson Clinton... it depends upon what your definition of "it" is. If "it" is anything the Dominant wishes, then "it" is fantasy. If "it" is limited by the ability of the submissive/slave, then it's realistic. quote: It comes from her desire to please. Whether he has inspired her to achieve that level of submission, or whether she is naturally that submissive, without her longing to please, it won't happen. It may come from her desire to please, or it may come from her desire to achieve a vision of herself and the Dominant is simply a means to an end. Or it could be one of an endless list of possible motivations. There is no uniformity of motivation in Leather. Of course, you may believe that if the motivation is not to please the Dominant, then she's not a "real" slave? Huh? (this is not even a thinly concealed trap, it's an enormous hole in the ground with neon lights and pungy sticks clearly visible at the bottom). quote: But I do know of relationships where it has happened. Where a sub/slave feels so submissive towards someone that she wants to be everything that he wants her to be. That desire is not all that uncommon. Achieving it is. Sure, if the Dominants objectives are within the submissive's/slave's capabilities and they're sufficiently motivatied.... the submissive/slave can achieve all that is asked of them. That stands to reason. John

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:05:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with......... I'll die without you. I have finally discovered true love-you. I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me. Time stops when you hold me in your arms. It's all good stuff....lol agirl Precisely!! And far too often, the "poets" are left to spew unopposed. John

Stroke -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:28:08 PM)
John, you have taken what I have said and gone off on an odd tangent. I never said that complete perfect molding was achievable, I said that the desire to be molded was. This thread was based on the phrase, "mold me". I saw many scoff at the very idea of it. I find that in itself odd that those that partake in an alternate lifestyle should scoff over a submissive/slave's desire to be molded. My comments concentrated on the desire that some feel to be controlled to that extent. I applaud those that have the ability to put themselves into anothers hands and ask to be shaped by them. It is a level of submission that few will ever know. No holding back. No preconceptions. Just because someone desires it, doesn't mean it will work for them. How much "molding" is achieved depends upon those involved. But you'll never know until you have tried. Stroke

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:32:05 PM)
Without engaging you in a lengthy debate over what you wrote and/or meant... welcome back to the reservation. John

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:47:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke "Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be." And this is what I scoff at. Please explain how this is possible. Don't prattle on about wanting to be so submissive as if all it takes is desire. Tell me how one person can be made into whatever someone else wants, regardless of whatever limitations may exist for their own capabilities. John Oftentimes people SAY Mould me. Make me whatever you want me to be but it's usually folowed by the unspoken * as long as I want the same. I ALSO would like to be what M wants me to be ......... because he wants me to be what I* want. For all that's been said ....... the word conjures up images for people that either cause distain, contented acceptance or nothing much at all. It's just a word........but like many words, it gets loaded with emotional connotations. You can only develop into what is possible......you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, no matter how much you want it..Dom or sub. It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with......... I'll die without you. I have finally discovered true love-you. I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me. Time stops when you hold me in your arms. It's all good stuff....lol agirl Maybe a more realistic thng to say would be Mold me and help me be the things you want. These kind of statements are wrong to use. Mean what you say or don't say it.. Don't leave it up to others to figure out what you mean by that. Sure it's romantic, but it's also lip service and I'd rather have the truth. Don't tell me you'll be wth me forever..tell me you want to be with me forever. There's a difference and it's still romantic.

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 12:51:22 PM)
quote: At great risk of sounding like William Jefferson Clinton... it depends upon what your definition of "it" is. If "it" is anything the Dominant wishes, then "it" is fantasy. If "it" is limited by the ability of the submissive/slave, then it's realistic. And my agreement with you would depend on what you mean by ability. Most humans can do whatever they want to. Do they have the will or the desire to go after what it is they say they want.

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