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trealeon -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:04:11 PM)
Wow... this thread is still going... look what you started Lockit!

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trealeon Wow... this thread is still going... look what you started Lockit! It's been an awesome topic so far, don't ya think.

trealeon -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:10:31 PM)
I'm just glad I got my 2 cents in early.

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:12:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trealeon I'm just glad I got my 2 cents in early. lol

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:14:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: agirl It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with......... I'll die without you. I have finally discovered true love-you. I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me. Time stops when you hold me in your arms. It's all good stuff....lol agirl Precisely!! And far too often, the "poets" are left to spew unopposed. John The 'poets' will spew for as long as there is someone willing to buy into it AS a reality. There is a plentiful supply of people willing to do so. People get off on the idea..... not just D/s folk... ''Bend me, shape me, anyway you want me Long as you love me, it's all right Bend me, shape me, anyway you want me You got the power to turn on the light Everybody tells me I'm wrong, to want you so badly But there's a force driving me on, I'll follow it gladly So let them laugh, I don't care-are All I want is you by my si...ide'' It's all in the motivations and what you're willing to accept. I have to admit that I tend to think it's often a case of...* Bend me, shape me, anyway you want me, Cos at least if I know that, you won't be shagging anyone else....lol I really can see the poetic idea of being what someone else wants* ....for a period of time, and sometimes, it's a mutual game that both people get a lot of satisfaction from. I roll my eyes at some people's expressions of their devotion and lurve for their Masters.. and yet, I feel a lot of the same things for mine. I'm all smug because 'mine's' based in reality and MY devotion and adoration is *different (LOL) etc etc .....but who's to say their's isn't? agirl

SimplyMichael -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:20:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Without engaging you in a lengthy debate over what you wrote and/or meant... welcome back to the reservation. John John, he didn't leave the "reservation" you simply distorted what he was saying into absurdity. Nobody is arguing that you can make a short woman tall but considering the heated protestations here over things as simple and reasonable as "I want you to lose weight" and "I want you to stop your addiction" I think this is all very much in the real of the possible. The fact that many don't have the chops to make it happen and not all submissives are willing to surrender that much control in no way detracts from the fact that this sort of molding takes place all the time. Another act of molding would be making someone truly embrace being poly, that is certainly molding and while it is often done poorly and we see the mistakes listed here quite often, that is certainly and area of molding another that does occur and I think many would say that is a fairly major change. Certain sex acts I think would fall under this catagory, turning someone into a toilet or craving ass-to-mouth play would be a huge limit for some, that said, there are people I know who have not just gotten someone to perform those acts (from the point of being hard limits) but have been successful in getting people to actively fantisize and crave them as a fully internalized fetish. Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common.

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:29:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael quote: ORIGINAL: Rover Without engaging you in a lengthy debate over what you wrote and/or meant... welcome back to the reservation. John John, he didn't leave the "reservation" you simply distorted what he was saying into absurdity. Nobody is arguing that you can make a short woman tall but considering the heated protestations here over things as simple and reasonable as "I want you to lose weight" and "I want you to stop your addiction" I think this is all very much in the real of the possible. The fact that many don't have the chops to make it happen and not all submissives are willing to surrender that much control in no way detracts from the fact that this sort of molding takes place all the time. Another act of molding would be making someone truly embrace being poly, that is certainly molding and while it is often done poorly and we see the mistakes listed here quite often, that is certainly and area of molding another that does occur and I think many would say that is a fairly major change. Certain sex acts I think would fall under this catagory, turning someone into a toilet or craving ass-to-mouth play would be a huge limit for some, that said, there are people I know who have not just gotten someone to perform those acts (from the point of being hard limits) but have been successful in getting people to actively fantisize and crave them as a fully internalized fetish. Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common. Maybe I'm mistaken, but he meant welcome back to CM I think.

camille65 -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:36:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common. If people would stop pulling the meaning of 'molding' to the very extreme I betchya that it would be seen as something fairly common, but folks love to hang onto their viewpoint especially when it makes themselves feel special. Ironically many of those same people are the same ones that insist they haven't blinders on and see reality.

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:36:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: Stroke "Mold me. Make me whatever you want me to be." And this is what I scoff at. Please explain how this is possible. Don't prattle on about wanting to be so submissive as if all it takes is desire. Tell me how one person can be made into whatever someone else wants, regardless of whatever limitations may exist for their own capabilities. John Oftentimes people SAY Mould me. Make me whatever you want me to be but it's usually folowed by the unspoken * as long as I want the same. I ALSO would like to be what M wants me to be ......... because he wants me to be what I* want. For all that's been said ....... the word conjures up images for people that either cause distain, contented acceptance or nothing much at all. It's just a word........but like many words, it gets loaded with emotional connotations. You can only develop into what is possible......you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, no matter how much you want it..Dom or sub. It's a poetic, romantic notion.along with......... I'll die without you. I have finally discovered true love-you. I will go with you to the ends of the world as long as you keep loving me. Time stops when you hold me in your arms. It's all good stuff....lol agirl Maybe a more realistic thng to say would be Mold me and help me be the things you want. These kind of statements are wrong to use. Mean what you say or don't say it.. Don't leave it up to others to figure out what you mean by that. Sure it's romantic, but it's also lip service and I'd rather have the truth. Don't tell me you'll be wth me forever..tell me you want to be with me forever. There's a difference and it's still romantic. I wouldn't even say help me be the things you want....because I want to be what I want. I wouldn't BE with someone that wanted to make me what THEY wanted. It doesn't interest me in the least. The point I was making is that it goes awry when people aren't talking the same language. It does seem a little OTT to be suggesting in initial mails or interaction that you want to be moulded ......before you know who the hell you're asking to DO the moulding. It's the kind of language that only works when both people have the same phrasebook. Romantic language has it's place, that's why we like songs and lyrics, poetry and prose. I don't EVER hear any of it in regards to me, mind you...lol. agirl

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:41:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael John, he didn't leave the "reservation" you simply distorted what he was saying into absurdity. Michael, I didn't see it that way, but beauty and the beholder and all that. quote: Nobody is arguing that you can make a short woman tall but considering the heated protestations here over things as simple and reasonable as "I want you to lose weight" and "I want you to stop your addiction" I think this is all very much in the real of the possible. I welcome debate over what I've said, but please don't make me defend what others have said. I never complained about those very reasonable examples. Nor did I mention anything about making the short into the tall to Stroke. That was a previous conversation, and the two should not be confused. quote: The fact that many don't have the chops to make it happen and not all submissives are willing to surrender that much control in no way detracts from the fact that this sort of molding takes place all the time. This is an entirely different argument than the assertion that someone can be molded into whatever another wishes them to be. I note that folks make the assertion, or implication, and then either run like mad in the other direction when it's challenged or shut themselves tighter than a clam at a beach party. quote: Another act of molding would be making someone truly embrace being poly, that is certainly molding and while it is often done poorly and we see the mistakes listed here quite often, that is certainly and area of molding another that does occur and I think many would say that is a fairly major change. Certain sex acts I think would fall under this catagory, turning someone into a toilet or craving ass-to-mouth play would be a huge limit for some, that said, there are people I know who have not just gotten someone to perform those acts (from the point of being hard limits) but have been successful in getting people to actively fantisize and crave them as a fully internalized fetish. All well within the boundaries of realism. All within the limitations that people have, which differ from individual to individual. quote: Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common. Within the context of personal limitations, I agree. Given the fact that you stipulated as to the existence of those limitations, evidently you do as well. John

SimplyMichael -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:44:34 PM)
Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide?

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:46:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Again, the wreckage on this path is considerable, the skeletons of fantasy and dashed dreams along it are intimidating but there are those who have gotten through to the other side to show this can and is something quite doable, it just isn't common. I think it's quite common.....it's just people call it something else. agirl

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:50:32 PM)
quote: I wouldn't even say help me be the things you want....because I want to be what I want. I wouldn't BE with someone that wanted to make me what THEY wanted. It doesn't interest me in the least. The point I was making is that it goes awry when people aren't talking the same language. It does seem a little OTT to be suggesting in initial mails or interaction that you want to be moulded ......before you know who the hell you're asking to DO the moulding. It's the kind of language that only works when both people have the same phrasebook. Romantic language has it's place, that's why we like songs and lyrics, poetry and prose. I don't EVER hear any of it in regards to me, mind you...lol. agirl Well I try to find females that fit me as close as possible..and I mean pretty close. Yet I have seen things in a female that I wasn't fond of and I thought could use some work.So I set up ways to change those habits, attitudes or what have you. I do the same with myself. I wouldn't want a person that was me me me either. There are those who would agree that they didn't want to be with someone who wanted them to be something for them, those would be the first to have an attitude when the first hint of change is brought up. The bottom line is, I'm in charge and if I decide there are things that you need to work on..then you need to work on them. If you don't trust me to make decisions that are best for Us, Me and you then we don't need to be together.

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:51:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide? That's a bit of a silly question as half the possible things for one person would be impossible for another.....or might be possible with a certain person being the moulder and perhaps not another person. agirl

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:57:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys Maybe I'm mistaken, but he meant welcome back to CM I think. In the interest of honesty, it was a reference to the fact that his latest post no longer (in my opinion) espoused an unrealistic dynamic to "molding". John

agirl -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 1:58:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys quote: I wouldn't even say help me be the things you want....because I want to be what I want. I wouldn't BE with someone that wanted to make me what THEY wanted. It doesn't interest me in the least. The point I was making is that it goes awry when people aren't talking the same language. It does seem a little OTT to be suggesting in initial mails or interaction that you want to be moulded ......before you know who the hell you're asking to DO the moulding. It's the kind of language that only works when both people have the same phrasebook. Romantic language has it's place, that's why we like songs and lyrics, poetry and prose. I don't EVER hear any of it in regards to me, mind you...lol. agirl Well I try to find females that fit me as close as possible..and I mean pretty close. Yet I have seen things in a female that I wasn't fond of and I thought could use some work.So I set up ways to change those habits, attitudes or what have you. I do the same with myself. I wouldn't want a person that was me me me either. There are those who would agree that they didn't want to be with someone who wanted them to be something for them, those would be the first to have an attitude when the first hint of change is brought up. The bottom line is, I'm in charge and if I decide there are things that you need to work on..then you need to work on them. If you don't trust me to make decisions that are best for Us, Me and you then we don't need to be together. Absolutely. When you're with someone compatable, these things aren't anything like as tricky as they seem on paper. There are parts of me that M isn't fond of....if they are troublesome and unhelpful to us getting along nicely, then he'll have a chat and lay out the benefits of sorting it out. On the other hand , there are parts of me that he isn't fond of but knows that to rid me of them would destroy quite a lot of other things that he rather likes. It's knowing what you've bitten off and liking the overall package. agirl

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 2:01:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide? Michael, I have no interest in developing some kind of list of possible and impossible definitions of molding. That would be like developing a list of SSC and non-SSC B/D and S/M activitities. It simply cannot be done because it is so reliant upon the individual. My only purpose in taking issue here was to recognize that "molding to whatever a Dominant desires" is not possible for the very reason that it ignores the abilities and limitations of the submissive/slave. And having done that, I can sleep soundly tonight. :) John

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 2:01:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: agirl quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide? That's a bit of a silly question as half the possible things for one person would be impossible for another.....or might be possible with a certain person being the moulder and perhaps not another person. agirl That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to.

Rover -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 2:04:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys That's kinda stretching it. I bet there's a good long list of things that everybody could do just don't want to. But even that is a limitation. You can't make someone like what they do not like, or do what they refuse to do. No matter how much you try to mold them. John

Icarys -> RE: Mold me? (12/3/2008 2:04:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael Okay fine people can't be molded into the impossible but can be into the possible, now you can play among yourselves as to the meaning of possible. Care to actually list what you feel are things that cannot be possible, not the outlyers but those things that you feel are close to being possible but lie just across the divide? Michael, I have no interest in developing some kind of list of possible and impossible definitions of molding. That would be like developing a list of SSC and non-SSC B/D and S/M activitities. It simply cannot be done because it is so reliant upon the individual. My only purpose in taking issue here was to recognize that "molding to whatever a Dominant desires" is not possible for the very reason that it ignores the abilities and limitations of the submissive/slave. And having done that, I can sleep soundly tonight. :) John That's not true John. Just for the sake of debate name something that one could do and another couldn't. Not that you won't be right about that specific thing but I'm curious as to what you think that might be.

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