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Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 8:14:49 PM)
There are other triggers to establishing your mindset when you are with your dominant. Mine just happens to be pain. What's yours?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 8:15:24 PM)
Connection. Consciousness.

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 8:33:43 PM)
That does happen for me too at times, but very rarely. Usually only after sensory deprivation or sleep deprivation. There was one time, where girl was so relaxed, that girl was unaware as to what was happening to her until girl was told to open my eyes. But like girl said, such moments are rare. Most of what girl has read has to do with physical stimulus but perhaps there are other types. Why the thread was started. Something girl enjoys to talking about. Another example, Ch'i breathing can establish a mindset where such speeds the natural healing processes. Tao breathing can relax the mind so that a meditative state can be reached, tranquility and transcendence is the result. usually helpful if you ever tried astral projection or as some native americans has spoken about, dream walking. All are examples of achieving a mindset. Are such things achievable or just an illusion. Certainly invite anyone to post their experiences. Does any of these things help you connect more or less with your dominant or your sub/slave when you are together?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 9:27:01 PM)
I don't "try" astral projection, it's something I've always just done and not lost the talent of as I grew older. That's the difference between me and a lot of people who practice things. I don't want to go to some sacred headspace. I want that sacred space to BE with me and me with "it" all times and in all ways. It's nothing special, it's just what "is." I'm certainly not against practicing and enjoying the wonderfulness of being. Simply that people get too caught up in the side effects to realize that what you're experiencing is nothing but who you are always. The illusion is the idea that you had to "get there" to begin with. My experiences of myself help me connect with everything, and connecting with everything helps me connect with myself. The ds and kink just happens to be that part of the prism that catches in my seive.

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 9:36:01 PM)
So you understand what girl means then. Some would say it is achievable. Others would say that its an illusion. And others like you, have always been there. But for you, don't you realize also, that since you are there. Is it not possible to help others get there as well? Depending on who you are with determines if a mindset is possible. There are those here in CM, girl has chatted with, it would be very easy to establish the mindset that creates a connection. Where others, unfortunately, unlike you and my self have constructed barriers that resist such a conveyance. They are too centered upon the physical and what is tangible to have such a connection, Everything is perceived as being only skin deep. Do you agree or disagree with such an observation?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 9:39:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae Is it not possible to help others get there as well? If that is what we choose. quote: Depending on who you are with determines if a mindset is possible. There are those here in CM, girl has chatted with, it would be very easy to establish the mindset that creates a connection. Where others, unfortunately, unlike you and my self have constructed barriers that resist such a conveyance. They are too centered upon the physical and what is tangible to have such a connection, Everything is perceived as being only skin deep. Do you agree or disagree with such an observation? I find it funny that you talk about being too centered on the physical when you started this thread completely focusing on imposing external physical pain. Physical is as divine an experience as any. See the problem? The moment you decide something is "not divine" is the moment you separate from divinity. We should resist those things which are not true to ourselves, or what we choose to be not true to ourselves. "What you resist, persists" as they say and if you keep coming up against the same sorts of people, it might be that you need to look at what you are resisting in yourself first. My words are more lofty than my reality :)

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/1/2008 10:06:58 PM)
Girl doesn't think it's just pain that can establish the mindset. There are other ways to achieve it as well. Must this thread be so linear. Can we not post about different aspects of achieving the same conclusion? Yes, of course, the thread was initially started, based upon a physical example. But, do you not agree that there other experiences that could also contribute to establishing a mindset?

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 4:00:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae It is a mystical experience for me and also quite magical. For me its a mystical experience. Pain becomes sensual. Sweety, if that gets you through your day, believe what you wish. The truth is it is simply a chemical high produced by your own body.

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 4:46:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae For me its a mystical experience. Pain becomes sensual. Others may not believe me, but of course, that is their choice. Of course I believe that it's a mystical experience - for *you.* That's the key word there. I don't know much research you've put into BDSM, pain as pleasure and pain as it relates to spiritualism but, again, there are faiths and practices that regard pain as a way to become closer to G-d. That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. That you are "in" on this secret that the rest of us should want help in achieving. It works for you - be happy for that and realize that what others have works for them. Most likely we "fly" just as high as you, only we take our pleasure in different ways.

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 5:34:55 PM)
That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. -------ouchies. Skepticism was invited for the subject of this thread, not of me, and yet that is the skepticism and scrutiny receives. Obviously the only posts that people seem to want, at least to my perception is perhaps using a dewy-decimal system, where a paragraph begins as introduction and that each sub-paragraph gives explanation to something mentioned in aforementioned sentence, example: (1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.1a, etc) with of course footnotes and margin notes, classifications and definitions, perhaps even a glossary at the end of such a post so that you may check my references. Yes, girl is being a smart a$$ and of course someone will come forward saying the girl is reacting aggressively. Does it matter what girl believes. It was supposed to be a thread to discuss fore or against being in a mindset. But obviously such a discussion of philosophical and spiritual nature is lost here in the forums. Apologies for even starting, total waste of my time and yours. Trust in the goddess or be forever lost in the shadows and embraced by darkness.

thornhappy -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 5:50:32 PM)
Was that last line rhetorical, or stating what will become of us (lost in the darkness)?

oceanwynds -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 5:54:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. -------ouchies. Skepticism was invited for the subject of this thread, not of me, and yet that is the skepticism and scrutiny receives. Obviously the only posts that people seem to want, at least to my perception is perhaps using a dewy-decimal system, where a paragraph begins as introduction and that each sub-paragraph gives explanation to something mentioned in aforementioned sentence, example: (1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.1a, etc) with of course footnotes and margin notes, classifications and definitions, perhaps even a glossary at the end of such a post so that you may check my references. Yes, girl is being a smart a$$ and of course someone will come forward saying the girl is reacting aggressively. Does it matter what girl believes. It was supposed to be a thread to discuss fore or against being in a mindset. But obviously such a discussion of philosophical and spiritual nature is lost here in the forums. Apologies for even starting, total waste of my time and yours. Trust in the goddess or be forever lost in the shadows and embraced by darkness. Hello Aszhrae Time is never wasted unless you are judging it. Philosophical and spiritual nature comes through in many avenues even in the mundane. I been living in the realms of spirit for most of my life. It is me, as well as the mundane aspects of me. It is through balance that we begin to achieve life in the illusion that we live. Not everyone will choose to see through the eyes that you look through. You might not choose to look through their eyes. We all have choices. There have been many dangling conversations to the superficial lines throughout life, and it is up to us to take as we will or not. To tell someone to trust in the Goddess or be lost in the shadows is absurbed. The shadows are part of us and guide us. It is through going through the shadows that we can learn to embrace ourself. It is not through pointing fingers at others for not 'getting' it that blinds us into our own stupidity. Done that and had it done to me. I see these boards as an adventure and a journey that I have chosen to take. Not all posts do I agree with, but it is not for me to boo hiss them. Spiritual conversations are plenty and can be found on many boards and chatrooms, and even in those there will not be agreement. It is all good. blessings oceanwynds

NuevaVida -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 6:27:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. You obviously haven't read a lot of her posts, long term. quote: -------ouchies. Indeed. quote: Skepticism was invited for the subject of this thread, not of me, and yet that is the skepticism and scrutiny receives. Obviously the only posts that people seem to want, at least to my perception is perhaps using a dewy-decimal system, where a paragraph begins as introduction and that each sub-paragraph gives explanation to something mentioned in aforementioned sentence, example: (1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.1a, etc) with of course footnotes and margin notes, classifications and definitions, perhaps even a glossary at the end of such a post so that you may check my references. This is the second thread I have been involved in, in which you responded extremely negatively to those who disagree with you. No one spoke of you personally here, just that they do not experience what you have and see it differently. But if you want to get technical, references are cited. Glossaries define words. And yes, now I'm being a smart-ass. quote: Yes, girl is being a smart a$$ and of course someone will come forward saying the girl is reacting aggressively. Does it matter what girl believes. In the big cold world, yes it matters to you what you believe. It doesn't always matter to others. And yes you are reacting aggressively (my belief) whether you believe that to be the case or not. See, this is why the threads you start end up with you as the subject - you seem to turn them there by taking things personal and making things personal. quote: It was supposed to be a thread to discuss fore or against being in a mindset. But obviously such a discussion of philosophical and spiritual nature is lost here in the forums. And that mindset was discussed. But when others disagreed with the ability to achieve the mindset you spoke of, you got upset. If you truly believe the ability to discuss philosophy and spirituality is not achievable here, I suggest you use the search function and read to your heart's content. Perhaps you will feel otherwise and not make such insulting statements. quote: Apologies for even starting, total waste of my time and yours. Quite honestly, I wasn't going to read this thread, based on some of the ways you reacted in your last thread. But I decided to give the benefit of the doubt and try again. It wasn't a waste of my time because it was my choice to do so. But I don't think I will be doing that again. quote: Trust in the goddess or be forever lost in the shadows and embraced by darkness. What does this possibly have anything to do with your OP? And when did you become the decider of who lives in darkness and who does not? Are you trying to create a religious/spiritual beliefs debate? There are a lot of very enlightened people in this world - happy and at peace and spreading joy - who do not have a belief system in a goddess. I really suggest you take a step back and think about how you represent yourself if you want to be received differently than you are.

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 6:29:22 PM)
Trust in the goddess or be forever lost in the shadows and embraced by darkness. Actually that was in reference to my self. No one else. Again girl will just have to learn to be more specific, as girl has already found. Some are quick to offense, just as girl is at times. The thread was open to skepticism, but unfortunately for me, such an invitation is assumed that the individual was open to skepticism. Once more, girl will have to be more specific or others will see it as an invitation to be mean. Girl was hoping that this thread would lead to something beautiful and enlightening, but unfortunately it hasn't. It was intended to open possibilities, however, it hasn't for some. Those that it has opened possibilities or agreed that a mindset is achievable, have not posted in reply here but to me personally. Just wish they might have replied here also, but then again, they probably have already learned their lesson. Personal Opinion The lesson, keep your heart and spirit to your self as only the pleasures of physical gratification are all that matters. Expose your self and you offer your self up like a lamb upon the altar. There are knives in hand waiting to cut you and stab you. It is true, the shadows and the darkness girl senses, is within me, but it is within the forum as well, that it becomes continually touched and pulled forward. For me, my mindset, being submissive is spiritual, the pain my body endures makes me stronger. A subtle touch or the touch that stings, it is pleasure because it is by a mistress. Such is my mindset. If you believe that the mindset is achievable, that you have achieved it, maybe you might like to share how you achieved. Someone may want to try and do the same thing. (No, this is not about achieving subspace) If you are skeptical, that being of a mindset is only an illusion, explain why you think its an illusion. Why being of certain mindset is unachievable. The thread started with an example by me, a personal experience that girl chose to share. It was not meant to be the theme of this thread. Apologies if girl did not explain that properly. Post your opinions upon the subject of the thread, not of the submissive that posted it. Please and girl thanks you.

scarlethiney -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 6:33:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx quote: ORIGINAL: scarlethiney Pain is pleasurable for me. It does put me in another place mentally and at some point physically. I am able to tune out everything else during that session. I am high from the pleasure the pain gives me so much so that I don't notice that it's painful. It becomes about the intense sensation. So yes for me it can be akin to a meditative state. I am sure it is different for every one. But yes Aszhrae for me pain is pleasure. It is a huge turn on. scarlet Is it all pain, or sensual pain? Personally, when I stub my toe, have a toothache or a migraine, I do NOT feel pleasure! I think what the OP was discussing was what "I" would consider erotic stimulation that results from being whipped with a crop, a belt , a hand, a leather whip. I find those kinds of stimuli pleasurable and initially it stings like hell and feels good at the same time. At some point it is no longer painful just pleasurable. I think it's a given that no one finds a migrane, stubbing their toe or a toothache pleasurable. scarlet

oceanwynds -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 6:57:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae Trust in the goddess or be forever lost in the shadows and embraced by darkness. Actually that was in reference to my self. No one else. Again girl will just have to learn to be more specific, as girl has already found. Some are quick to offense, just as girl is at times. The thread was open to skepticism, but unfortunately for me, such an invitation is assumed that the individual was open to skepticism. Once more, girl will have to be more specific or others will see it as an invitation to be mean. Why do you see it as mean? Why judge others opinions as mean or good? Is there a reason for this? People have opinions and we are the ones who take it as slander towards us. I have seen people attacking wannabees, cliques ..etc, and that has always been a curiosity to why even go there. But as Sir would say, it is not worth the effort to wonder. Girl was hoping that this thread would lead to something beautiful and enlightening, but unfortunately it hasn't. It was intended to open possibilities, however, it hasn't for some. Those that it has opened possibilities or agreed that a mindset is achievable, have not posted in reply here but to me personally. Just wish they might have replied here also, but then again, they probably have already learned their lesson. My reason to learn about my own submissiveness came from instructions from the Goddess that I pray to, not because I wanted to please Sir at the time. He was willing to have a vanilla relationship. Submissive and spirituality for me is conncected and I am okay with that. That means, I do not need other's approval of my path. There is not bitterness within me for those who do not understand. Why would there be? Personal Opinion The lesson, keep your heart and spirit to your self as only the pleasures of ph ysical gratification are all that matters. Expose your self and you offer your self up like a lamb upon the altar. There are knives in hand waiting to cut you and stab you. If that works for you, so be it. Or perhaps you can find value in just being you and honoring your spiritual connection with Ds and the Goddess. There is that way too, and a way i walk. No one can cut me, unless i let them.It is true, the shadows and the darkness girl senses, is within me, but it is within the forum as well, that it becomes continually touched and pulled forward. For me, my mindset, being submissive is spiritual, the pain my body endures makes me stronger. A subtle touch or the touch that stings, it is pleasure because it is by a mistress. Such is my mindset. My submissiveness is a lot about my spirit. It is about my connection with the Goddess Pele, and it is also in learning to remember who i have always been. I honor my shadows and embrace them. Sir has helped me reached mystical levels, be it through pain or through other ways. It is what I have experienced. I have experienced many different forms of the mystical realms with or without Sir. As I stated, I walked this path of a mystic most of my life. I am now 57. I honor the Goddess, through honoring Sir and honoring myself. I give to my clients, as a service of my submission, but it is not the same as giving to Sir. Many forms of spiritual submission, but my problems comes when we try to explain in words. I have found words to allude the mind and exaggerate our importance. If you believe that the mindset is achievable, that you have achieved it, maybe you might like to share how you achieved. Someone may want to try and do the same thing. (No, this is not about achieving subspace Mindset is achievable yes. How to reach it, there are many paths. Best to find a qualified teacher, and not read something on-line and try it. Seen to many people get mixed up that way, so not advisable. If you are skeptical, that being of a mindset is only an illusion, explain why you think its an illusion. Why being of certain mindset is unachievable. The thread started with an example by me, a personal experience that girl chose to share. It was not meant to be the theme of this thread. Apologies if girl did not explain that properly. Post your opinions upon the subject of the thread, not of the submissive that posted it. Please and girl thanks you. That is all I will say on all this. My spirituality is something that I am very proud of, and am not afraid of others' opinions. My ego is not involved there. Best of luck on your journey, and my you find peace. blessings be to you oceanwynds

kidwithknife -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:11:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae It is a mystical experience for me and also quite magical. It is when girl feels a connection between me and my mistress. Its like a sharing of spirit. It may not be the same for you. To try and come at this from a slightly different angle: What you've described there actually illustrates why you're having a problem here I think. You're talking about experiences that fall strictly in the category of UPG, from what I can tell. If that's not a term you're familar with, it stands for "unverified personal gnosis" What it means is that your spiritual experiences are personally valid, but they aren't applicable to other people. I come from a very similar position on this issue. I've used kink in practise of magic(k). But not only is that absolutely not going to make any real sense to someone who doesn't believe in magic(k), it's not even going to be translateable to someone like you who follows a very different spiritual path to me. And lots of people simply won't believe me or understand where I'm coming from. But why should they? I'm talking about experiences I have no way of offering emperical proof of. In the end, all I can say is that it works for me, in my head. And I can find people with similar beliefs and tentatively discuss similarities in experience with them. So that's the problem here. You're trying to get people to understand where you're coming from. But the kind of thing you're talking about is unknowable.

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:11:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. -------ouchies. Skepticism was invited for the subject of this thread, not of me, and yet that is the skepticism and scrutiny receives. Obviously the only posts that people seem to want, at least to my perception is perhaps using a dewy-decimal system, where a paragraph begins as introduction and that each sub-paragraph gives explanation to something mentioned in aforementioned sentence, example: (1.0.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.1a, etc) with of course footnotes and margin notes, classifications and definitions, perhaps even a glossary at the end of such a post so that you may check my references. Yes, girl is being a smart a$$ and of course someone will come forward saying the girl is reacting aggressively. Does it matter what girl believes. It was supposed to be a thread to discuss fore or against being in a mindset. But obviously such a discussion of philosophical and spiritual nature is lost here in the forums. Apologies for even starting, total waste of my time and yours. Trust in the goddess or be forever lost in the shadows and embraced by darkness. Again, you are taking things completely the wrong way. Discussions of philosophy and spirituality are very accepted here. But that means all views, yours included, will be questioned from all sides - if you start a thread on belief your views are very important to it. Unless you are capable of handling that you shouldn't start them. It's like taking your writing to a group for review but being offended when someone thinks things needs to be changed. You also seem to be thinking "Unless you think my way, you are wrong" - for that matter I never said you were coming off as a smart-ass. I said you were coming off as self-impressed, aloof or, less nicely, arrogant. How would you take a post ending in "Find Jesus or be lost in the void"? Edited to add: If you are offended, I am sorry for that. I am not attempting to attack you but to be honest about that the fact that the viewpoint presented regarding pain as pleasure seems to divide people into groups. Those are "in" on this special secret and those who "need" to be enlightened. This concept, to me, is fundamentally arrogant.

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:14:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. You obviously haven't read a lot of her posts, long term. No I haven't. I comment solely on the posts on this thread.

NuevaVida -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:22:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae That doesn't mean that it applies to anyone else though and, honestly, reading through your posts you seem a bit... aloof or self-impressed. You obviously haven't read a lot of her posts, long term. No I haven't. I comment solely on the posts on this thread. I thought she was saying that about you, Aquatic, and spoke to her about not reading your threads. Did I read backwards again? My statement was not to you but to her. I apologize if I got mixed up (again).

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