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AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:28:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida I thought she was saying that about you, Aquatic, and spoke to her about not reading your threads. Did I read backwards again? My statement was not to you but to her. I apologize if I got mixed up (again). It's quite all right. I said that to her (the reasons why I explain in the edit of my last post). Thanks for your comment on the salsa thread! [:)] Edited to trim the quoted section

NuevaVida -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:33:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub It's quite all right. I said that to her (the reasons why I explain in the edit of my last post). Thanks for your comment on the salsa thread! [:)] Edited to trim the quoted section I caught that after the fact. I'm a bit slow on the uptake these days. [8D] And you're welcome - except now I want chips & salsa!!

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:36:25 PM)
Thank you 'kidwithknife' never thought of it that way, girl probably should have considered the gnostic angle. Because it really is about transference, the link between self and mistress, that it is not just by the will of mistress alone that girl endures but by my own as well. When the mindset happens, its not just about me anymore, its about me and mistress. It is by voice, by touch and the sharing that the mindset occurs. Its not about subspace, its about balance.

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 7:42:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub It's quite all right. I said that to her (the reasons why I explain in the edit of my last post). Thanks for your comment on the salsa thread! [:)] Edited to trim the quoted section I caught that after the fact. I'm a bit slow on the uptake these days. [8D] And you're welcome - except now I want chips & salsa!! Hopefully without scary bacteria! (Now I'm trying to figure out if I can justify buying a pressure canner to Val with the "But if I make cranberry sauce/salsa/mustard en mass for gift giving occassions, I'll save us money in the long run" reasoning. He's not buyin' it right now.) runs off before she gets spanked for going off-topic

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 9:15:18 PM)
If it was all just biochemistry 'Twicehappy2x' then would it not be 'subspace'? Girl doesn't drift away and lose my self in the moment. It really is about awareness. As 'LuckyAlbatross' replied, Connection. Consciousness. Girl would think its much more than that. Higher sense of belonging. An extension of your dominant. Can't really say its about feeling whole but perhaps the feeling of something greater than your self. The question is, would your dominant allow you to enter this mindset? It is in that moment, where the words spoken by your dominant fuels your flame. Their touch makes your body tingle and their very presence has your knees weakening. That mindset that has you below their gaze and you feel that no matter what happens, that is where you belong. Have you ever been in that mindset? Or, is it just an illusion that you make your self believe in for just a moment?

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 9:31:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae If it was all just biochemistry 'Twicehappy2x' then would it not be 'subspace'? Girl doesn't drift away and lose my self in the moment. It really is about awareness. As 'LuckyAlbatross' replied, Connection. Consciousness. Girl would think its much more than that. Higher sense of belonging. An extension of your dominant. Can't really say its about feeling whole but perhaps the feeling of something greater than your self. The question is, would your dominant allow you to enter this mindset? It is in that moment, where the words spoken by your dominant fuels your flame. Their touch makes your body tingle and their very presence has your knees weakening. That mindset that has you below their gaze and you feel that no matter what happens, that is where you belong. Have you ever been in that mindset? Or, is it just an illusion that you make your self believe in for just a moment? Let's be clear: Are you talking solely about you, your experiences and your spiritual practices or are you expecting everyone else to have and desire these - unless our owners won't allow us to go there?

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 9:52:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae If it was all just biochemistry 'Twicehappy2x' then would it not be 'subspace'? Girl doesn't drift away and lose my self in the moment. It really is about awareness. As 'LuckyAlbatross' replied, Connection. Consciousness. Girl would think its much more than that. Higher sense of belonging. An extension of your dominant. Can't really say its about feeling whole but perhaps the feeling of something greater than your self. The question is, would your dominant allow you to enter this mindset? It is in that moment, where the words spoken by your dominant fuels your flame. Their touch makes your body tingle and their very presence has your knees weakening. That mindset that has you below their gaze and you feel that no matter what happens, that is where you belong. Have you ever been in that mindset? Or, is it just an illusion that you make your self believe in for just a moment? Let's be clear: Are you talking solely about you, your experiences and your spiritual practices or are you expecting everyone else to have and desire these - unless our owners won't allow us to go there? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The question: would your owners/dominants or what have you allow to enter into the mindset where you find your self at that point of awareness that gives you that sense of belonging? Have you ever been in the particular mindset where your awareness was of such a degree, that your purpose was clear, and that you belonged right where you were at that moment? Or, is it only an illusion that your trick your self into believing so that you might lose your self, that it is only a temporary moment? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hope that clarifies the questions.

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 10:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae The question: would your owners/dominants or what have you allow to enter into the mindset where you find your self at that point of awareness that gives you that sense of belonging? Have you ever been in the particular mindset where your awareness was of such a degree, that your purpose was clear, and that you belonged right where you were at that moment? Or, is it only an illusion that your trick your self into believing so that you might lose your self, that it is only a temporary moment? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hope that clarifies the questions. I'm not sure if you are aware of this but answering a question with more questions rarely clarifies anything. Are you, the OP, talking about yourself or are you expecting everyone to want these spirtual experiences? Your questions did not address mine in any way, shape or form. That is an either or style question that does not require further questions on your part to answer. However, I will do my best to answer yours but how you have asked them is flawed. Your questions do not allow for the answer to number 2 to be no - which it is in my case. I do not slip into any divine sense of purpose during a beating nor do I have a grand desire to. I do not feel a need to be "enlightened". You seem to be seeking particular responses and asking guiding questions. Would he allow me to? Of course. He doesn't care where my head goes provided it's a good and happy space, or one that I find fulfilling, uplifting emotionally, all those positive things. But again, you simply don't seem to be allowing for those who don't feel a spiritual connection to their pain or have a desire to.

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 10:34:03 PM)
Girl thought she was asking appropriately and not flawed. At least to my own perception. Not even sure they were guided questions. But if you think they were, then obviously girl should read them over more times than just half-a-dozen times before actually clicking okay. By the way, you did answer the questions, which is what girl was asking in the first place. Thank you for your replies 'AquaticSub' :)

AquaticSub -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 10:43:43 PM)
You are welcome though I notice you still haven't answered mine.

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/2/2008 11:23:26 PM)
quote: Are you, the OP, talking about yourself or are you expecting everyone to want these spirtual experiences? Yes girl is actually, having spoken to someone. Speaking with this mistress, when first girl seen just had to contact her. Girl felt a warmth and there was something more. Just to chat even for a moment touches me. It is a mindset that allows this, and girl was more or less asking if others have experienced the same. As for others wanting, that is not what girl is asking. What was being asked of others, if they ever felt the same thing. The question really is, do you consider it a mindset that allows this or just an illusion?

SteveAndJaz -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 2:47:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae Pain, it stings, your instincts are to protect your self, but your will has you endure. It stings once more, your emotions begin to surface, by will you control them turn them inward. You strengthen your self so your body can endure even more. It stings again, a little more, a little longer. Your mind wants to shut it out but you continue by force of will to endure even more. You sigh as you become used to the sting. You become sensitive, your skin reacts to the lightest of touches. You become aware. You are wet, the pain has become pleasure. You want more. The mindset, Pain is Pleasure, you are now focused on doing what would give you the greatest pleasure. You open your eyes, your dominant is smiling, there in their eyes a fire burn. There hand lifts to pet your head and your shoulder. This was an example of a personal experience years ago. What girl would like to know, has anyone managed to attain a similar experience? Each and everyone of us are different and that means each and every one of us will have a different experience than the next one. There are no two of us alike and no two of us that will feel the exact same feeling. There is no text book to follow when you go into trance state, meditation state, sub space or whatever else we wish to call it. People will tell you how it should be, people will give you there own experiences but thats what they are, 'individual experiences' so believe me there is no true way! My personal experiences have been to shut down the pain and sometimes when taking a lot of needles or hooks I can and will do this. Instead of the stab of the canula I feel something sliding through my skin like butter and its no more painful that someone scratching an intense itch. I reach a point where my body starts to shake and my breathing becomes light and raspy. I feel as though I am drifting in and out of conciousness and I feel an incredible bonding with my partner who is with me and guiding me on this journey. So is that sub space? I don't actually care so long as I can get to that happy place! Other times I can't pull myself away from the pain. Every blow racks my entire body with pain, every slap brings tears to my eyes and has me begging him for mercy. Eventually I'm cut down and at this point my body may shake uncontrollably and my breathing becomes deep and concentrated. I feel as though I am drifting in and out of consciousness, I feel deeply bonded with my partner who is now cradling me in his arms. Jaz

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 5:17:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aszhrae If it was all just biochemistry 'Twicehappy2x' then would it not be 'subspace'? It really is about awareness. As 'LuckyAlbatross' replied, Connection. Consciousness. Girl would think its much more than that. Higher sense of belonging. An extension of your dominant. Can't really say its about feeling whole but perhaps the feeling of something greater than your self. The question is, would your dominant allow you to enter this mindset? It is in that moment, where the words spoken by your dominant fuels your flame. Their touch makes your body tingle and their very presence has your knees weakening. That mindset that has you below their gaze and you feel that no matter what happens, that is where you belong. Have you ever been in that mindset? Or, is it just an illusion that you make your self believe in for just a moment? Subspace is biochemistry period. The connection you speak of, the one that comes from service is different and separate from subspace. That is a mental state that can issue from service/devotion to anything/person/god/what have you, that an individual either loves or holds higher than them self. Though this emotional connection can be confused with subspace or felt in a combination with subspace or even enhanced by it. It can come from BDSM, or love, or worship or pain or even from mind altering drugs. Depends on what the person involved is into, gets their connection from. Some get that connection/feeling from/in several different ways. But it does not necessarily have to or only come from BDSM or meditation. Each person will have their own method of achieving this. As to the part i underlined from your quote; yes, Scooter makes me feel this way. So does riding my Harley at a steady heart thrumming pace on a star filled night. But it has nothing to do with pain for me, for that matter, that connection is not something i feel or am even aware of during sex/a scene. When scening pain makes me horny, (or for that matter just fucking) makes me come, gets me higher than any drug humankind as a race can currently manufacture. At that point i am not aware enough to be connected to anything except pure sensual sensation. I cannot see why anyones dominant would not want/allow their submissive to feel this connection. But it is possible to make that connection, have that feeling of oneness with the universe without a dominant. After all, do you think the only folk who achieve this are involved in BDSM? A further comment here; i do grasp you were looking for a "feel good mystic experience" thread. But if you post on a public forum you are going to hear from all kinds of people, not all of whom are going to agree with you. If when this happens you feel "cut with knives" perhaps you should step back and really consider if you can deal with that before making posts.

DesFIP -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 5:44:12 AM)
I'm curious as to why the OP insists that what is felt in the mind must be entirely divorced from the brain. Brain chemistry has a huge impact on the mind and the emotions. Feeling connected to a Oneness is no different than feeling isolated and depressed in that it is directly related to your brain chemistry. Now meditation, regular exercise etc can fuel the right kind of chemicals to be released, to help you enter that state easier. But we are animals and we are in more ways than not, creatures of our biological makeup.

Twicehappy2x -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 1:52:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP But we are animals and we are in more ways than not, creatures of our biological makeup. Grins, gee, you managed to get all i said into one sentence, well done!

DesFIP -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 4:46:21 PM)
Takes bow! [:D]

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 9:22:36 PM)
Because DesFIP, not everything girl believes has to with biochemistry, but girl does propose that for some the scientific method is more understandable than the spiritual method. To each their own. Just something girl believes, you do not have to believe in the same thing. Girl is not forcing you to do anything. Girl was only asking if anyone has had similar experiences. Maybe using the example of pain being pleasure was the wrong example to use as it seems that it is that example that is being constantly focused upon. When girl is in that particular focus, that particular mindset, it is felt a sharing occurs. A connection that is not only biochemical, given the use of pheromones and other physical scents. That quite possibly the experience becomes metaphysical in nature. It is however a mindset and extension of awareness to the point of hyper-awareness. At no point is coherency lost. Girl was not focusing on the scientific method, but the spiritual and the sharing of being. Achievable or Just an Illusion.

Lockit -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 10:08:38 PM)
The point I think a number of people have tried to make is that it is achievable to you Aszhare. To continue to point out that this is some higher plane spiritual something you are gifted with or create leads me to wonder if illusion is the right word. Why does this matter so much? I mean really, page after page you tell people, over and over what it is you experience and subtly infer that some just don’t get it. I have seen these tactic’s in many religious sects. We have something that you don’t, so sorry you can’t understand it… somehow implying that they are lesser somehow because they cannot achieve this blissful state of religiosity or higher plane of spiritual understanding. I would have to say and what I say I am sure you will ignore… that these things… this spiritual connection and place of being all from the love, dedication, focus, freedom and on and on to the point of nausea, could also be explained as dysfunctional obsession focused on another, or mental state that borders on the line of delusional and a dysfunctional need that romanticizes a situation to fulfill certain needs. This love, this connection is bigger than life… means more than anything else and is more than most could imagine! Yeah, okay… so was Barnum and Bailey’s circus act. Can people feel as you do? Sure… but how they get there may be different. Can it all come from a good and sound place… Sure, but when someone needs to continually prove their point, I do have to wonder what the hell is up with that. You continue to ask if it is achievable or an illusion. I say achievable because you say you have achieved it. Illusion? Are you really asking if we think your experience is an illusion or are you trying to prove it isn’t? This doesn’t seem to me to be a desire for open dialog seeing some of your responses to people. So what the hell is it? Lime light?

stella41b -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 11:03:06 PM)
Why is reading this thread making me think of extra-terrestial beings or life forms?

Aszhrae -> RE: Mindset: Achievable or Just an Illusion? (12/3/2008 11:04:50 PM)
What girl has done was use my own experiences as examples, asking if something similar that others have experienced as well. Some reason it always get turned around and girl is made out to be the badgirl. It was supposed to be about discussion, but all it ever happens is further criticism. Girl thinks that perhaps its time to listen to her peers and forgo involvement in the forums any longer. For being of the best intentions all girl seems to get is criticism. Those that have answered with similar experiences, thank you for your replies at least some get it that girl was not talking about 'subspace' or scientific method. Girl will not be back to the forums.

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