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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 12/28/2005 8:20:37 AM   
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I finally had quiet time to reflect and internalize what you have written here---the meaning of friendship has hit Me very hard these last months with the life altering things that have happened to us.

As humans, our frailities drive us to a need for community, "peoples that share the same common something"--that weakness often drives us to make bad choices to feel good about ourselves--rash decisions to avoid feeling alone, establishing a thin connection of "acquaintances"--

But I now see friends in a different light than before, true friends--so many that we claimed as such, that we worked at--left us or aren't friends, for we did all the work, we did all to make it a friendship--and there standing just off the garish light were good friends who without thinking "worked at it" as Knight talks about--they were and are there everyday.

It takes only one person to end the relationship, but yet it takes two to have the relationship.”

The second part of this thought is most important in answering these questions. As much as I may admire or appreciate or want another’s friendship, it will not occur without their involvement and equal interest in having the relationship. If I place a higher degree of importance or significance to certain behaviors that someone else demonstrates, I can very easily delude myself that friendship exists when in fact it may only be a shared interest.


This became painfully aware as we worked to rebuild our lives anew this winter--I found that many of the friendships were-- as Knight alluded to--"shared interests", as the interest wanes so goes the friendship-or when times were hard for us and we were seen as vulnerable--we were "forgotten"--and for a time we felt so alone--yet as I mentioned, as the dust settled, we found the true friendships, people that we do indeed love and who love us--they are close, deeply close to us--those that unmentionable could call if needed, those that would defend and protect us--and we would do the very same--

Relationships are built upon not just shared values and ideas but shared experiences that build upon each other. It is my opinion that….. “Cheaply given… is cheaply value”…. I do not give cheaply the term friendship. I expect it to be earned both by myself and my friend. But, I do need to have those friendships…

I have learned some hard lessons this year, the key word is "learned", I look and truly see--I hear and listen and I do not call everyone passing acquaintance--"friend"

Thank you for this post, it has obviously struck home with Me.

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 12/28/2005 10:01:45 AM   
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Im a loner by personality, career and lifestyle.
It has been other lifestylers that took an interest
within My Own family comming up that have* forced *
freindships on Me so to speak from the lifestyle end
of human interaction in order to help Me keep adjusted
and a working part of society instead of to My need for
being alone and on the distructive side of people and
relationships.Woowist the poor public who has to put up
with Me in it. Because of My sadistic nature I tend to
form freindships not for the value of such but for the
development into how it can be foiled into a hurt or
pain that could inserp that freindship into foeship.
My feeling of connection comes in knowing that I am a
part of a group whos desires are just as weird and
diverse as Mine, alltho for the most part the majority
of those in even this alternate lifestyle stay away
from Us Sadists knowing where Our minds and actions could
go if not controlled at all times.As I had called it
just the other day, Society doesent accept the Alternate
Lifestylers and the Alternate Lifestylers dont want to
accept My kind if They can help it.Freindships
can be a tedious and strenuous issue for those like Me
to say the least to form, enjoy,and hold onto. Alltho
once formed and a person has become a person who I hold
with high esteem and respect will hold My Honor as a Freind
till death.But they are very far and between and long
labored to gain and establish.Most have dispeared from
My life having died out and not been replaced. Here online
I only look to others as associates with mutural interest
and have found that here even on a alternate lifestyle site
most prejudge and ignore Me or write off My thoughts and
feelings because of the way I present My self which always
is a turn off for most based off of their standards and of
what I label My self as and taking My choice
of Lifestyle as the only content that I have of value
within when I say I am a Sadist. Ive gained short term
contracts of those whom layed claim off of this site as
masocistic slaves seeking TPE only to have them break
the contract because they actually were not masocists
and hadent a clue what concensual slavery was but had
a fantasy of just what the words implyed and lied to
gain a closer look into just what My Extream play insued
or what was needed to form a freindship with Me within
My life and Alternate Lifestyle. Thats what the start
of most relationships are like for Me and they find out
real quick that what I have to offer is not what they
want for a freindship in thier minds. Now as for My
established Freindships, Most have been formed by common
desires that were started in alternate lifestyle bases
only because society still has such a stigma about
the Sadist that even speaking the word in the vanilla
arena temps out the lions of richigous warfair.A few
I have had since being a child, and the rest for means
of Fullfillment of obligation to Family.I can say that
I have never developed a freindship outside of My lifestyle
since becomming an adult. I did not work at this fact
but it is a reality of My life none the less.I find that
I do not need freindships as much as I need My alone times.
Ive had a 45 year freindship with dread a alpha slave who
runs one of My homes. Ive had a 27 year freindship with a
Alpha Dominant who became My Husband thru My families arranged
marraige. Ive had a 16 year freinship with the second Dominant
in My Life that was added as My Husband to Our Poly Home.
I have had relationships with various slaves whom Ive had
serve with in My Home and in Our munch groups over the years.
My relationship with My children Id call a freinship as well.
Im sure that others might call Me their freind as most people
do not feel the way I do but I have and will always push those
away who become to familiar and its only those whom know and
understand this inside Me who have stood the test of time
and patience on the personality and antisocial behaviour that
rules My world. I think veronicaofML and Me would get on famously!
We would both be in the same room in Our Own worlds knowing fully
what the others doing and thinking and feeling with out ever
having to pass a word, and like it too. I just finished building
a swing for Me that I sat down inside My japanese fish pond
thats been empty since the hurricanes so I could lay back and
swing and see the view of the trees from the fishes perspective
to see what I needed to trim whilst My slave painted My toe
nails without his hands tied behind his back and only using his
mouth to hold the brush. If this action sounds insane to you
we could not be freinds. LOL

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 12/29/2005 12:37:05 PM   
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quote:

Some of my social friends evolve into lifetime friendships.


A lifetime is never as long as it seems, huh?

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 1/11/2006 5:06:49 AM   
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I have a many acquaintances withing the lifestyle, but none that I would actually call friends. To me a friend is someone whom you have known for some time and developed a stable realtionship with. They know your good side, and have seen your bad side...and they make no judgements on either. They accept you for who you are simply because they know you. It takes time for an acquaintance to become a friend; it's not something that evolves quickly or easily.

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 1/20/2006 9:10:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ares1

quote:

Some of my social friends evolve into lifetime friendships.


A lifetime is never as long as it seems, huh?


Yup ... And with some two days is too long... kinda like you!

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/1/2006 9:56:35 PM   
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An incident occurred that made recall this thread I started awhile back....

and I realize not much has change in my thought patterns here... but I would enjoy hearing more from people on the subject.

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 12:15:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: veronicaofML

i AM...THEE lonewolf personality...i AM THEE EXCEPTION to that so called opinionated feeling that people need people...
i AM an island unto myself...


I pretty well feel the same way. 

There are a couple male friends that i had in high school with whom i reconnected with after a 15 year lapse.  I would hardly call them friends anymore as we have nothing more in common other than the fact that we were friends 20 years ago.  Friends turned aquantances.

I had friends when i was married (including my ex) but as the ex had stronger ties to them, he ended up with them in the divorce.  So were they really friends?

I had a friend of 10 years who i posted about in another post, but she wore me out and i ended that friendship two months ago.  We really had nothing in common other than the fact we didn't have a friend at a time we both needed one.  So we were there for one another.

My former Dom/now roommate would be a good example of a friend, but he drives me crazy so i wouldn't want anymore of him around...one is enough. He is more like family.

My neighbors i have always kept on "friendly terms" with but only so far as a quick "hi" and an occasional "what's new".

I had the joyous occasion to be ordered by the courts to take several classes.  The people in those classes know more about the intimate details of my life than anyone, but i wouldn't consider them friends.

I adhere to the old Japanese phrase "Everyone come into your life for a reason...yet to be determined".  There have been people with whom i have had some sort of relationship with...for a defined period of time.  They moved on as did i and i never see or speak with them anymore.  But for that period of time, we had some significant role in one another's life...we influenced each other's life in some small manner, we formed a bond during that period of time and i may never see them again but i consider them to have been a friend.

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 12:26:59 AM   
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I consider someone a friend if I can call their mother to come bail us out of jail ... and she does. :)

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 12:38:01 AM   
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Most of my RL friends are pagans rather than BDSM D/s. Only two are fellow D/s (One Domme one an extreamly attractive goth model sub) and as such the main people I discuss such issues with, two more have sub leanings (basicaly a sub/sub couple) and one with definate interest in the subject. For the rest BDSM D/s is simply "One of those things about Raven"

There was one young lady who I met through CM that at first it looked like there was going to be an interesting friendship, but the dynamic kicked in too strongly on both sides to maintain a just friends situation and either that will go somewhere beyond friendship or will have to be stepped away from.

Beyond that, there are several folks I corespond with on here that definatly look like there is a firm foundation for a real friendship if we ever met in real life. IB, MH, Irish and Blushes in particular. ILike KoM I always have a little reservation till I've seen how things are in RL but I do acknowledge where there is a strong potential.

The one point where I disagree with the opening statement is that I don't need validation from anyone other than myself. To act on it yep, I need at least one other (Takes two to tango!) and I enjoy discussion with like minded people, but my validation comes from myself and who I know I am.


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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 1:07:28 AM   
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i share alot of the same thoughts and understand where you are coming from.  Friendship is a high title for me as well.  Like you though i respect, admire, and enjoy others company i do not call them friends.  A friend is a special thing to me.  A friend is a constant thing.  My friends, the loss of our friendship is unthinkable.  My friends there is complete honesty, complete trust, complete loyalty, no doubt, complete openness, complete acceptance, no games, no manipulation.  There are no lies.. i may even not talk to some for six months.. or even longer.  Yet it doesnt change a thing.  Very few ppl i call a friend.  Its a special title and usually takes years to give and get.  In my book.   Friends in my book is all this and ppl i can call in the middle of the night and say "i need you" and i know that no matter where they are, they will be there.  As they know they can do the same. Friends are ppl i would drive across 5 states because they need me.  With out knowing why.  Friends are ppl that WILL call when they need you.  

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 8:29:59 AM   
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I consider friends those who are a positive force in  my day.  They make me think, they make me laugh, they are the people I enjoy spending time with. That holds true in all aspects of my life, vanilla and D/s. 


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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 3:08:38 PM   
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quote:

thank you, but for the record I am not trained in any type of social service or psychology field. What I have learned has been thru vast amounts of reading from the real experts in those fields and dialogue with those in the field as well. My career is a Manager for a North American Transportation company and does little for my personal life except put food on the table *G* and give me a headache from time to time.

thanks again


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I can relate to a job just meaning money, not fulfillment...back to your OP though...I have friends but very few; I have different type of friends but mostly I have people I know...I may do things with them, I may even talk about what's going on; personal details are not intimacy...for 'lifestyle' friends, no, not into 'lifestyle'...as defined. Most would find Me boring...though I accept several responsibilities and don't 'play' I am content; that is the most important to Me, being content, perhaps not comfortable, perhaps not calm but content...I have two friends, have known both over twenty years; the rest I pretty much like though several I have known almost ten years and they are becoming friends if you will...perhaps seperation of 'good' friends and just friends...
Now Maslow, that's a name I haven't heard in decades...perhaps William James next?

C
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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 3:27:06 PM   
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There are a lot of people I know... but to actually call my best bud?.. nope.. not right off hand that I can think of.... but on this note... there's alot I have met like here on CM, that I consider friends... it's easier to say friend ...than ...person I know. It's all in the wording.. and the meanings behind the words. It's sort of like saying to another upon parting... love ya.. have a good one... it's better than.. Oh i really  like you a whole lot.. have a good one.. just makes it easier.... doesn't mean I LOVE THEM.. as in death till we part soul mate. It's all in who you are speaking with... and how they know you talk.  

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 5:44:28 PM   
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Strange how things come into your life at the appropriate time.....

I'm immersed in what may be the ending of one of two true friendships that I have. I thought I could write about it, but............nah. Suffice to say I have found much of what was written in this thread to be truthful. Real friendship is rare, and I intend to fight for mine..............but it takes a willingness on both sides, and I don't know if that's there.

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 7:42:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

I consider someone a friend if I can call their mother to come bail us out of jail ... and she does. :)

Celeste

LOL that will never be my mom then.  She let me know a long time ago that if I did something wrong, she'd make sure I paid for the consequences.  She'd still love me of course.


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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 8:04:07 PM   
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LOL that will never be my mom then.  She let me know a long time ago that if I did something wrong, she'd make sure I paid for the consequences.  She'd still love me of course.



Mom gave each of us kids 'one' get out of jail free card. After that, we're on our own if we didn't learn from the experience. I've never had to use mine. :)

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 8:06:54 PM   
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Gadzooks, Dread! What's WITH your font fetish?
Tone it down so we can read your posts. I'm not even going to bother trying to read Ms Dread's post.
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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 8:57:58 PM   
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To KoM...After reading your post.This thought popped into my head (ouch)..when you were first talking with kyra for that year before R/L did you not ,though you had not met or had shared any R/L experiences,consider her a friend?And another thought that came up and possibly simplistic or totally oranges and apples, but let me try anyway.When you state that friendship come from shared experiences,I came up with a comparison whereas say a woman gives up child to adoption,child adopted considers adoptive parents as parents because was there for them in life experiences.But yet though child has never met birth parent cannot one say that both parents were actually part of this childs growth process one actively so ,the other not at all,but still a part of who that child has become.So maybe my thought is this..,maybe not active in R/T with you but nonetheless friendship enough to have had possibly a small shaping of your thought processes.So hence acquaintance? or friendship?......(I am now only hoping this made any sense at all)..tempting

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 9:30:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TemptingNviceSub

To KoM...After reading your post.This thought popped into my head (ouch)..when you were first talking with kyra for that year before R/L did you not ,though you had not met or had shared any R/L experiences,consider her a friend?And another thought that came up and possibly simplistic or totally oranges and apples, but let me try anyway.When you state that friendship come from shared experiences,I came up with a comparison whereas say a woman gives up child to adoption,child adopted considers adoptive parents as parents because was there for them in life experiences.But yet though child has never met birth parent cannot one say that both parents were actually part of this childs growth process one actively so ,the other not at all,but still a part of who that child has become.So maybe my thought is this..,maybe not active in R/T with you but nonetheless friendship enough to have had possibly a small shaping of your thought processes.So hence acquaintance? or friendship?......(I am now only hoping this made any sense at all)..tempting


actually no... I didn't consider her a friend.  What I new of her was very extensive even for an online/phone situation.  But, We were then two people getting to know each other... we saw potential for more.  But, it was only potential and until we were able to validate what we suspect within ourselves.. I was but a Dominant with lifestyle experience and she was but a person newly discovering the lifestyle wanting to learn.  Our relationship actually began as an very informal mentorship.  I was very direct right in the beginning.  That there would be and could be nothing but mentorship if we never met and realistically even if we should meet I would expect only a friendship of a minor scale.  It was my expectation that I was only providing thoughts for her to consider as she began to learn about the lifestyle and herself within it.  I also told her that I expected her to disappear from me... that what was occuring was only a passing shared interest and when her thirst for what I could give her was enough she would carry on and look for the one that was for her.  But, it wasn't me.... famous last words lol  Her desire to learn and mine to exercise my knowledge by teaching her what I knew, we began as a mentorship.  As time went on she knew that if she desired to have any type of relationship with me beyond mentorship she would have to come and see me.  I am not sure how long she held these desires from me, but when she did share.. it did have a significant impact on the path we traveled.

My expectations became suspect... in fact... other possiblities became possible that I did not consider.  We shared alot of thoughts for each other.  But, we never called each other friend or even acquaintances.  In fact, our informal mentorship for her learn my perspective of the lifestyle, became an interview process.  It became a mentorship on learning what it is to be a slave and more importantly what it is to be a slave to ME! 

I was very determined to be resolute on not sharing any specific feelings I precieved for her and I wouldn't entertain hearing her feelings and thoughts that she felt about me.  In fact, I told her this all could be just a wild fantasy that we are living.  When you feel my touch and I feel yours... one look into each others eyes.. then and only then can we say what we feel to be real.

Besides spending much of the time learning what it was to be a slave to me, we also spent alot of time learning about who the other person was.  Each other's experiences and opinions on an array of thoughts.  Both every day stuff and the lifestyle.  I encouraged her to learn from others and strongly suggested that she visit a local community event.  Interestly enough, one of the first events she went to was an opportunity to meet John Warren.  She remembered me talking about his book and how much I enjoyed it.  She also remembered that I was upset that the copy I had was never returned to me after I had loaned it out.  This lovely girl was so intent to meet me, she bought a copy of "The Loving Dominant" and brought it to me signed by JW.

In hindsight, that fact my relationship with kyra has occurred is all because of kyra herself.  Yes, I had to be what she was looking for and all that stuff.  But, my expectations was this was going to pass.  That the shared interests would dwindle and we would go our seperate ways.  For I was not going to make the trip to see kyra all the way to florida.  I might of had hope, but I also had fantasies... and fantasies don't come true.  Dreams do!  When kyra came thru the airport doors... I must say... It was like the past months whip thru my mind.  The realization that this wasn't a fantasy anymore... that this was a Dream and now this moment today... I can take a girl and make her mine.  That is exactly what I did.

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RE: What is a Lifestyle friendship for you? - 4/2/2006 10:05:03 PM   
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Ahhh ...now I understand...Thank you for answering such a personal question.It also clarified your posting about lifestyle frienship and and your viewpoint on it....respectfully...tempting

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