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RE: M/s needs? - 12/28/2005 6:58:02 PM

Nendarye

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Masters analogy is a good sub/slave is like a Ferrari. She'll take you anywhere you want to go in style, but needs maintenance, and care to last. If you don't take the time to maintain her, and keep her in good working order she'll leave you by the side of the road one day when she breaks down

LOL now that...is a good analogy

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/28/2005 7:11:41 PM

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Hello Nendarye,
Thank you for agreeing my Master's analogy is a good one. I will let him know you said so in the morning.
I am very blessed to have a wise Master who understands indeed!
Sincerely,
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RE: M/s needs? - 12/28/2005 7:16:04 PM

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I think you've made quite a jump there. It is a question predicated on NO assumptions, but rather, poses a question based upon the comments made in the preceding messages and adds some to push this hyposition into the absurd. There are no assumptions about owners being complete assholes. If you are so well acquainted with my posts, you will realize that I AM owned! I just believe that we all get what we need or we wouldn't stay within the relationship we are in....unless we are too traumatized to leave.

Ummm I don’t know you and I don’t think I’ve ever seen your posts before, I think somehow you misunderstood the last couple of sentences of my post to mean *you Sunshine.*

You pushed a hypothetical that I’ve never actually seen in a M/S relationship in real life. I’m a little tired of extreme hypothetical’s such as the ones I’ve seen in limits discussions – and let me clarify I’m not talking about in limits discussions with *you Sunshine.* It seems like when concepts are presented on M/S structures the first hypothetical posed is always the extreme where the owner acts like an ass who has nothing to do with their life but control every little thing (which is what your/Sunshine's post *did* describe).

My life with my owner is much more boring and most of the M/S structures I’ve seen are fairly boring compared to the hypothetical situations such as the one you presented (or other ones I’ve seen in discussions around issues including boundaries – but again they weren’t discussions with *you Sunshine*).

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/28/2005 7:21:46 PM

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Simply, a Master does not come from a place of need.

Now if you speak of desire, that's another matter; the desire of the Master and the need of a slave are one and the same. Anything the Master desires, the slave needs.

Regarding submissives, a symbiosis of personal desires is more important, yes.

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/29/2005 9:29:11 AM

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In my opinion, one hand cannot clap without the other.

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/29/2005 9:35:52 AM

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In my opinion, one hand cannot clap without the other.

seaturtle

I learned to clap one handed long ago...

It's not really that hard

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/29/2005 9:56:54 AM

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You can clap with only one hand you might look extreamly silly though slapping your hand against your thi or how ever you managed to clap one handedly

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/29/2005 12:52:41 PM

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The understanding of what it is to be human... The ability to be our authentic selves... these are the things that make us not only who we are, but who we can be.

Responsibility is what defines a Masters place in the relationship. To me, a Master has the responsibility to guide a partner to be all they can be in every facet of their life. This isn't about micro-management, but rather being supportive and encouraging the submissive to achieve their goals, reset goals, and grow further. Those who only see growth as surpassing or extending limits, miss the joy of seeing a submissive find new levels of accomplishment in the other arenas that life takes them. Often, a simple word, or a suggestion, are sufficient to add the power a partner needs to grow. If one doesn't see this or provide it, both are denied the reflection of power that comes from growth.

Full acceptance of a slave requires a tolerance of imperfection from the Master. Any Dominant can “master” perfect slaves. But there aren’t any perfect slaves or, for that matter, any perfect Masters. It is part of the beautiful mystery of human nature that even the most immature, inept or lazy person is capable of greatness if wisely led. Many otherwise capable Dominants are disqualified as Masters because they cannot handle less-than-perfect slaves. slaves grow confident in their slavery when their Masters empathize with them and when they are accepted for who they are, even though their service or performance may be judged critically in terms of what they are capable of doing.

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Well said. I especially like the teaching notion of slaves growing confident in their slavery.

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/30/2005 6:34:46 AM

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I talk quite a bit to someone, before I agree to meet. If we have no common vanilla interests, then it ends there. It is important that we have common interests, in and out of the home.

Limits are discussed. My list is short, but very hard. My desires are important and if they cannot meet them, the discussion ends.

If we want the same things and like the same things, then I have no doubt their needs will be met. It is not something I want to have to deal with, making them happy. If they are compatible, then they will be happy.

I do have my slave keep a journal. A place where they can say anything they want without fear of reprisal. This gives me a look into their life with me and lets me know if I am or am not meeting their needs. If it seems we are not suited, then we discuss and decide whether or not to continue at that time.

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/30/2005 6:08:47 PM

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In my opinion, one hand cannot clap without the other.

seaturtle

I learned to clap one handed long ago...

It's not really that hard

Ah, but Grasshopper, What is the sound of one hand clapping?

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RE: M/s needs? - 12/31/2005 1:57:02 PM

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slave,

congrats, well said and it would be helpful if all "D"'s would read and ponder yout observations

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