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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 7:26:13 PM   
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 7:35:39 PM   
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You overlook the blood-lust for vendettas and payback killings, CL.

No, I don't.  Just that without the money from drug trafficking, revenge loses its luster pretty quickly--bullets ain't exactly free.


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 7:42:49 PM   
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 7:47:02 PM   
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Bullets and human lives are cheap to drug lords.

And if drugs are legal they are no longer drug lords.

Without product to move, drug lords have nothing over which to fight and kill each other.


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 7:53:51 PM   
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:07:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: celticlord2112

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ORIGINAL: Vendaval

You overlook the blood-lust for vendettas and payback killings, CL.

No, I don't.  Just that without the money from drug trafficking, revenge loses its luster pretty quickly--bullets ain't exactly free.




The cartels are involved in far more than drug trafficking. Plus even with your decriminalization plan, which will never work, nor be supported by any sane American, the cartels will merely push the drugs through a "legal" front and still rake in the cash. The only drug I can stand behind being legal is marijuana, and even then, it should come solely from American crops. So your plan won't work, the violence won't stop, and it will continue to creep northward.


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:13:32 PM   
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(pan to me skipping in the meadow happily dancing with the butterflies)



I'm not certain how I feel about that image being in my minds eye.

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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:19:11 PM   
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(pan to me skipping in the meadow happily dancing with the butterflies)



I'm not certain how I feel about that image being in my minds eye.

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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:21:54 PM   
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So what drugs should be legalised ? And who should be allowed access to them ?  Because unless you legalise them all, and make them available to everyone who wants them, then you will still have dealers and crime.


Legalize them all for all adults.
 
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:23:03 PM   
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Until we can reduce the size of government by 90%, let's simply decriminalize most drugs, as CL suggested.


Which 90% do you want to eliminate?
 
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:24:04 PM   
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Somehow the images from Through a Scanner Darkly come to mind with this description.  You been hitting the Substance D again?

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they are legal.   you know - the other drugs.   statins, flouride, melomine, mercury,   celebrex, bextra, neurontin and lipitor.

ask you dr if they are right for you.   (pan to me skipping in the meadow happily dancing with the butterflies)


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:27:33 PM   
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:29:42 PM   
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The cartels are involved in far more than drug trafficking. Plus even with your decriminalization plan, which will never work, nor be supported by any sane American, the cartels will merely push the drugs through a "legal" front and still rake in the cash. The only drug I can stand behind being legal is marijuana, and even then, it should come solely from American crops. So your plan won't work, the violence won't stop, and it will continue to creep northward.

And sadly, you're right.  Take for example cocaine or heroine.  While either could be grown and produced here in the US if it were legalized... it could still be grown and produced overseas cheaper.  So, we legalize it, we set it up to be domestically produced and controlled, taxed, etc.  The drug lords will produce it and sell it cheaper, and so they still make money.  Not nearly as much, but they still make money.  And because of the addictive nature of these drugs and the compusions that come with those addictions... people will do strange things to get those drugs.  So to actually break the hold of the drug lords, we'd have to have our government subsidize and provide drugs for free in whatever quantity the mobs of drug addicts demand... which is never going to happen.  So again, the drug cartels eventually win.  Round and round society goes, trying to find a "cure".  Problem is that the problem isn't drug addiction... its stupidity... and there's no cure for that either.  Closest we can get is eliminating some of it from the gene pool.  Which brings us back to the question of just how harsh we as a society can stomach being on stupid.  Currently, we as a society apparently can't stomach very much at all... and the drug lords just keep winning.

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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:31:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Not surprising really.
I mean does this article really "surprise" anyone in here?
We need to stop treating Mexico as if they're our "friend." They're not.


When have we ever treated them like friends?
When we took half of their country at gunpoint?
When we deported over a million American citizens with Mexican surnames?
Like it or not Mexico is our second largest trading partner...Canada being number one.
 
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:33:01 PM   
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Plus even with your decriminalization plan, which will never work, nor be supported by any sane American, the cartels will merely push the drugs through a "legal" front and still rake in the cash.

What cash?  Legalize them and the prices will fall drastically.

Not to mention that, as "big" as the cartels appear to be, they pale in comparison to WalMart--which is who the competition would be if drugs were legal.  I don't see the Arellano Felix cartel winning that contest.

Even if the cartels are involved in more than drugs (I'm sure at least some are...even Al Capone did more than just run liquor), drugs and drug profits are what fuel the violence.  Take away the drugs--and the drug profits--is tantamount to cutting off the fuel source.


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:35:55 PM   
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:38:12 PM   
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Walmart in the heroine business... that's too funny for words.

Well, they buy other shit from China, so why not?


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:44:37 PM   
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Plus even with your decriminalization plan, which will never work, nor be supported by any sane American, the cartels will merely push the drugs through a "legal" front and still rake in the cash.

What cash?  Legalize them and the prices will fall drastically.

Not to mention that, as "big" as the cartels appear to be, they pale in comparison to WalMart--which is who the competition would be if drugs were legal.  I don't see the Arellano Felix cartel winning that contest.

Even if the cartels are involved in more than drugs (I'm sure at least some are...even Al Capone did more than just run liquor), drugs and drug profits are what fuel the violence.  Take away the drugs--and the drug profits--is tantamount to cutting off the fuel source.



Ok....the prices will fall, but not nearly enough to put them "out" of business. Plus, comparing the cartels and Walmart is like comparing apples and oranges. Walmart would have to buy dope from the cartel. Anyhow, I am sure a savvy man such as yourself has heard of human smuggling, gun running, counterfeiting, you name the illegal activity they are in it. Drugs are just a part of the pie. These guys, while being criminals are well connected, and well armed. I am sure you've heard of FARC...a few years ago a simple cartel basically ran Columbia. Legalization will never work, hard drugs especially. But, it is pointless to argue with you, I am sure you've seen it all and have read it all. Out.


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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:48:35 PM   
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Ya know... honestly I could go with exactly what you suggest... provided...

1) As an employer I still have the right to refuse to employ someone who tests positive for any narcotic drug substance (course I live in a work at will state... so I can fire ya for being fugly if I want, rendering this a bit of a moot point I suppose).  Cause I'll be damned if I wanna see another crackhead staggering around while holding a demolition saw!  I kind like having my limbs attached and in original condition.  (Happened, fortunately the saw had a power cord instead of a battery pack... we still had to cold cock him to get the saw away from him... and I ended up two exam rooms down getting a tetnus shot thanks to the dirty saw blade that otherwise would have taken my arm off  mid bicep if the saw had still been plugged in.  If I'd had a gun I'd have shot the moron.)
2) Insurance companies, especially auto insurance, have a right to determine if someone is a habitual user of narcotics... and can charge them obsence rates... that way they can afford it when I sue the fuck out of someone for driving while under the influence and ramming my vehicle or running through the front of one of my stores.
3) Habitual drug users are not eligible for well-fare of any kind.... if ya can afford to get high, you can afford to pay your damn rent.
4) Renters who are habitual narcotics users who do not pay rent are subject to immediate eviction... no friggin six month eviction process while they live there rent free and tear out the walls!
and finally,
5) No whining as the drug addicts eliminate themselves from the gene pool.  Toss some lime on the corpses in the alley and call for the garbage collector.


Your post is filled with both vast and half vast opinions based on ignorance.  Cocain is not a narcotic it is a stimulant. 
The laws of our country apply to everyone not to just those whose actions you approve. 
Pluueeeze get a clue.
 
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RE: Drug cartels bringing terrorism to US/Mexico border? - 12/10/2008 8:49:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I can see it... hell, I've played too many cyberpunk RPGs not to be able to imagine a world with giant corporations profiting off of peoples impulses and stupidity in every way imaginable.  But I still think Walmart peddling heroine (or crystal meth, or crack, or designer drugs) funny as hell for some strange reason.  Maybe its the contrast from what Sam Walton intended, and the ironic way something a decent man with decent intentions gave his life too got twisted around before he was cold in his grave.  Maybe its that I really can see Walmart going for it because it fits with the aggressive and ruthless marketing strategy they've adopted in order to force competitors out of business and eliminate competition.  Maybe its because I can see Walmart or Walgreens or CVS becoming the new drug cartels... business suits and machine pistols... and all new meaning to "hostile takeover".  Maybe....

Like I said, we live in interesting times.

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