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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 3:57:13 PM   
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Not offended at their accent, but there are cases* like my doctor now* who can not understand what you're saying because she's not very proficient in the launguage, and  I don't speak her launguage so sometimes you both sit there like huh? what? like one time I told her I used to ride horses, and I fell and got hurt real bad, and she had no clue what ride horses ment.. I had to point to the calander on the wall* which happens to be a horse* then she finally understood what I used to ride horses ment.


So essentially yes, we can't communicate very well. She doesn't understand what I am trying to say and I don't know how to make her understand something as basic as riding a horse.

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So you are offended that a doctor, lawyer, or someone else "high powered" has an accent that you cannot understand?  It is not that they cannot speak the language, it's that you have an issue with communication with them, correct?


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 3:58:26 PM   
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Nice assumption, but no I have never been guilty of speeding, as I have never had a liscence and probably never will, and so I have never driven a car.
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I'd make a better effort of being grammatically correct, if it was  a rule or a law.


Right. Like you never exceed the speed limit.



I'm done with this nonsense.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:10:45 PM   
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*wonders why we don't have stricter protocols about ensuring U.S. citizens learn the language*

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:10:50 PM   
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It seems to me that you seem to have some "difficulty" accepting people who are of foreign origin, come to the States, and don't speak at your level of expectation.  Sure, there are times when the language barrier is kind of frustrating, but many people do try.  If you don't like dealing with all these "foreigners" in your life, you could always move to some white supremacist commune in the backwoods or something?  I'm sure they would all speak the Queen's English, use perfect grammar and spelling, and could diagram sentences in their sleep.  Then again, given the difficulty in reading some of the writing contained within your posts, qualifying might be a touch difficult.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:23:09 PM   
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Daddysredhead, well now, proper grammar isn't nessisary all the time in my book, since goodness knows I know next to nill about grammer:)


I just wonder sometimes,  about things, like if you don't speak english how come you can say perfectly I don't speak english,   and I am tacky enough to open my mouth and ask my question.

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It seems to me that you seem to have some "difficulty" accepting people who are of foreign origin, come to the States, and don't speak at your level of expectation.  Sure, there are times when the language barrier is kind of frustrating, but many people do try.  If you don't like dealing with all these "foreigners" in your life, you could always move to some white supremacist commune in the backwoods or something?  I'm sure they would all speak the Queen's English, use perfect grammar and spelling, and could diagram sentences in their sleep.  Then again, given the difficulty in reading some of the writing contained within your posts, qualifying might be a touch difficult.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:24:31 PM   
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Wow.  Just. . . Wow.

No, I do NOT have a problem with them, as those are the folks that enter this country LEGALLY! 

If you are having issues with your doctor, you should find a different one. 

Oh, and do not EVER have children, as they are difficult to understand as well. 

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:25:27 PM   
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I thought you said you were done with this topic, If you're "done with it" like you said why are you still posting?
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*wonders why we don't have stricter protocols about ensuring U.S. citizens learn the language*

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:29:42 PM   
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Daddysredhead, well now, proper grammar isn't nessisary all the time in my book, since goodness knows I know next to nill about grammer:)


Truer words were never spoken.

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I just wonder sometimes,  about things, like if you don't speak english how come you can say perfectly I don't speak english,   and I am tacky enough to open my mouth and ask my question.


We all know that because you already started a thread about that topic and got replies.  In the legal world, we say "asked and answered... next."  

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:36:27 PM   
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YHMA,
i wonder what your perception would be if someone started a topic about something that might possibly affect you personally. For example, how would you feel if someone like myself (or Aylee, or Daddysredhead, or anyone) started a thread and talked about how everyone who receives SSI or SSDI is just a bunch of fat, lazy free loaders who need to get off their skanky dumb asses.  How would you feel if this thread went on and on and on (and oooonnn) about how stupid these people are, how lazy these people are, how good for nothing they are, how they are just sucking the system dry, how they are just sitting on their fat asses everyday wathcing jerry springer and eating bon bons? How would that affect you? Because essentially, that's exactly what you are doing to every other person in the free world.
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edited to add: In response to Your question about why there aren't 'stricter policies on people needing to learn English' well part of it is just common sense.  We call are selves the 'melting pot' for a reason. Yes?


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:36:49 PM   
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Yes, people did answer how you can not speak english, and still be able to say in perfect english, I do not speak english, that is actually understandable.

The next question was, why aren't there stricter policies on the topic. It's seperate to the other one.


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Daddysredhead, well now, proper grammar isn't nessisary all the time in my book, since goodness knows I know next to nill about grammer:)


Truer words were never spoken.

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I just wonder sometimes,  about things, like if you don't speak english how come you can say perfectly I don't speak english,   and I am tacky enough to open my mouth and ask my question.


We all know that because you already started a thread about that topic and got replies.  In the legal world, we say "asked and answered... next."  

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:38:16 PM   
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You see it all the time, and the people are higher anking american citizens,  Who;ve been here 20 or 30 years, like doctors, but yet they hardly speak well enough to communicate with their clients, and It got me to wondering, why aren't there stricter rules in place, about people who wish to be citizens being proficient in the launguage of the country, instead of barely passable?


The United States of America does not have an offical language.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:50:52 PM   
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Kalista, Ironically I am on SSI, did you know that or was that a topic pulled off the top of your head?


It depends on if they're curious or have malicious intent going on behind the question. If it was malicious intent,

I would probably honestly be a little offended, Really, but then I'd be like ok hey, That's their opinion and nothing I say or my annoyance will change the situation, and I'll avoid that thread. It happens all the time with fat threads, people do go on and on about how fat women are disgusting and if they just ate less and w orked out more they'd loose weight. All theothers who're angry w/ith the  statements rant and rail and go on to defend why the person's so wrong, but personally I know fat threads are full of hatefull mis assumptions so I don't go in them.

To be fair I never said people who didn't do very well at speaking english were stupid, I asked how come there's not better standards if you're a doctor or a lawer. Course I can see how that may be seen as saying you're stupid in some people's eyes.




If they had honest questions spurred on by curiosity, I'd talk about the issue, and I'd say my part in it, and then Maybe they wouldn't be curious any more.
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YHMA,
i wonder what your perception would be if someone started a topic about something that might possibly affect you personally. For example, how would you feel if someone like myself (or Aylee, or Daddysredhead, or anyone) started a thread and talked about how everyone who receives SSI or SSDI is just a bunch of fat, lazy free loaders who need to get off their skanky dumb asses.  How would you feel if this thread went on and on and on (and oooonnn) about how stupid these people are, how lazy these people are, how good for nothing they are, how they are just sucking the system dry, how they are just sitting on their fat asses everyday wathcing jerry springer and eating bon bons? How would that affect you? Because essentially, that's exactly what you are doing to every other person in the free world.
Kali
edited to add: In response to Your question about why there aren't 'stricter policies on people needing to learn English' well part of it is just common sense.  We call are selves the 'melting pot' for a reason. Yes?


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:54:14 PM   
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I would rather speak to an intelligent foreigner who's grasp of language in general was better than an American retard who can't manage to master one language let alone two or three.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:54:24 PM   
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Really?
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You see it all the time, and the people are higher anking american citizens,  Who;ve been here 20 or 30 years, like doctors, but yet they hardly speak well enough to communicate with their clients, and It got me to wondering, why aren't there stricter rules in place, about people who wish to be citizens being proficient in the launguage of the country, instead of barely passable?


The United States of America does not have an offical language.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:55:36 PM   
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really.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:58:40 PM   
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What was spoken then, and how did earlier people communitcate* no it's not a smart ass question*

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really.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 4:59:28 PM   
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i just had a brilliant idea...i nominate that the new mandated American langua be................Swahelee...i have no idea how to even spell it, but i like the way it sounds...
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:01:09 PM   
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Ok, aand we'll name you as a benefactor, since you suggested it.:)

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i just had a brilliant idea...i nominate that the new mandated American langua be................Swahelee...i have no idea how to even spell it, but i like the way it sounds...
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:02:28 PM   
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~ Fast Reply ~

As my (foreign) mother used to say to people who criticized her for her accent, "How many languages do you speak?"

I grew up watching her, my uncle, their friends, etc. ridiculed for having accents.  I was proud of them for having come from poverty in a foreign country and making something of their lives in this land of opportunity.  They are wonderful, contributing members of society...who have accents and who don't know certain phrases.

As others have stated, if one is unhappy with one's _____ (doctor, lawyer, dentist, accountant, etc.) one should seek another.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:05:37 PM   
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America is the land of immigrants. More (percentage wise) speak English today in America than they did 100 years ago. So if you do not like the people who care barely speak the language today, you would be horrified as to the past. Know your history. Learn to hear what others say regardless of the language they speak.

Immigration History

First Wave 1630-43
John Winthrop in the Arbella led a "Great Migration" of 20,000 Puritans from England to Massachusetts.

Second Wave 1707-44
Starting with French devastation of the German Palatinate in 1707, population in America jumped 500% from 400,000 to 2 million, especially due to Germans and Scotch-Irish, with an internal migration into the Shenandoah mountains and valleys along the Great Wagon Road.
State system 1789-1862
Immigration matters were left up to individual states, but Section 1, Article 8 of the Constitution enumerated to Congress the power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization" and Congress passed the first naturalization law in 1790, granting citizenship to "free, white persons of good moral character" after residence in a state for one year and in the United States for two years, raised to five years in 1802. Congress in 1802 allowed "any court of record" to grant citizenship, starting the proliferation of 5000 naturalization courts with widely varied practices for the next 100 years.

Third Wave 1815-75
1815 - a third wave of immigration began with the end of the Napoleonic Wars, with 9 million arriving in the U.S. by 1875, including 3 million from Ireland, 2.5 million from Germany, 1.5 million from Britain, with 70% entering through the port of New York and after 1855 through Castle Garden.
Federal system 1862-1924
Congress passed the first immigration restriction law in 1862 that prohibited American vessels to transport Chinese immigrants to the U.S., and created the Bureau of Immigration in 1864 to oversee importation of Chinese contract laborers.

Fourth Wave 1875-1920
The New Immigration brought 21 million from eastern and southern Europe, Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act in 1882, created the Office of the Superintendent of Immigration in the Treasury Department in 1891 to oversee the new U.S. Immigrant Inspectors stationed at the principal ports of entry, especially Ellis Island, created the Immigration Service in 1897 in the Department of Justice, passed the Immigration Act of 1917.
Quota System 1921-1965
The terms of the 1921 quota system prohibited no more than 3 percent of the number of foreign-born residents of that nationality living in the U.S. in 1910. The system was changed in 1924 and was based on the desirability of various nationalities. Congress in 1924 created the U.S. Border Patrol within the Immigration Service. Executive Order 6166 of June 10, 1933, combined the Immigration Service and the Naturalization Bureau into one agency, the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Congress passed the War Brides Act of 1945, the Displaced Persons Act of 1948, the Refugee Relief Act of 1953, the Hungarian Refugee Act of 1956, and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952.

Fifth Wave 1965-2000
In 1965 amendments to the 1952 immigration law, passed as the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1965, Congress replaced the national origins system with a preference system designed to reunite immigrant families and attract skilled immigrants to the United States. The effects of the 1965 Act were immediate and significant. Within 5 years, Asian immigration would more than quadruple. This trend was magnified even further by the surge in refugees from the war in South East Asia. Almost half of the 8 million immigrants would come from Asia. The largest number in this wave were the 4.3 million from Mexico. Not until the Refugee Act of 1980 did the United States have a general policy governing the admission of refugees. The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 allowed most illegal aliens who have reside in the U.S. continuously since January 1 of 1982 to apply for legal status and prohibited employers from hiring illegal aliens and mandated penalties for violations. The Immigration Act of 1990 set an annual maximum of 700,000 immigrants allowed to enter the U.S. for the next three years and an annual maximum of 675,000 per year for every year thereafter. The 1996 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act sponsored by Barbara Jordan made it easier to deport aliens without documentation - major provisions from FAIR . The INS staff increased from 8,000 in the late 1970s to more than 30,000 in 36 INS districts at home and abroad by 2000.

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