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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:05:53 PM   
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What was spoken then, and how did earlier people communitcate* no it's not a smart ass question*

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really.



Many languages are and always HAVE been spoken here.  There has never been a law passed stating that a person MUST speak English (let alone fluently or without an accent).

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:08:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heh... I refuse to make fun of people with bad accents... because they speak more languages than I do. I worked for a man when I was younger who spoke nine, he was crazy.


As far as doctors go, I could care less what language he speaks, as long as he does a good job.


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:11:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

What was spoken then, and how did earlier people communitcate* no it's not a smart ass question*


This is just an assumption, but when this area was settled, I am sure the visiting party, and the native party did a communication system comprising of saying the name of the object they wanted to trade, or communicate about, and lots of "primative" sign language (read: POINTING).  Between what I was taught in elementary school, and what I know about language barriers, that seems sorta kinda in the right direction-ish.

After being around each other, and immersion into each others languages and such, I am sure they learned key phrases and enough to get what was needed to be done, done.


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:13:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder what would happen if people who have all these questions about thick foreign accents would take a linguistics class, or maybe a history class to learn about how this country morphed into what it is, or perhaps an English class - because if you can't write properly, how is anyone supposed to know what you are really trying to say?  Oh wait, grammar isn't important. 


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:16:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		well now i'm wondering if anyone with those non-understandable foreign accents are actually saying that they want to kiss me.  (what do you think red?)

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:19:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Christine...  you know I speak 3 languages, yes?  And in all 3, I am wanting to kiss you. 

BTW, am I going to get deported to whatever motherland I may have come from because the other night I said, "Night, Boo" and my Southern came falling out and DaddyBoo thought I said, "Night, Bill?"  

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:20:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		YHMA, I think the real question should be "Why arent there more strict protocols on Americans speaking and writing English, since most have been completely immersed in the language since birth?"

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:20:48 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:21:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think the OP was asking the question as a jab against foreigners.  How many of us have called tech support, and we can't understand the guy because his English is so heavily accented?  It's frustrating (be honest...it *is* frustrating).  As someone who speaks a foreign language, myself -- although not well -- I can only say that I admire people who have to learn English, as it is said to be one of the most -- if not THE most -- difficult language to learn.  With all that said, if you are having trouble communicating with your doctor (lawyer, other professional), then I highly recommend finding another one.  I've been to several doctors who speak perfect English, but they had no interest in actually *listening* to me or *communicating* with me; they just wanted to write a prescription, collect my co-pay, and move on to the next patient.  And guess what?  I chose to move on to another doctor...and another...and another...until I finally found one that I could communicate with, in any language. 

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:22:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, yes, foreign tech support drives me up the wall.     THAT is a job that should require English proficiency. 

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:23:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Foreign" tech support is not usually found on American soil (usually you're connected with someone in India).  So that wouldn't even apply to the situation here.


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:26:10 PM   
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"Foreign" tech support is not usually found on American soil (usually you're connected with someone in India).  So that wouldn't even apply to the situation here.


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Meh, close enough


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:28:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		"It happens all the time with fat threads, people do go on and on about how fat women are disgusting and if they just ate less and w orked out more they'd loose weight. All theothers who're angry w/ith the  statements rant and rail and go on to defend why the person's so wrong, but personally I know fat threads are full of hatefull mis assumptions so I don't go in them."

YHMA, i quoted the above portion because it stuck out to me.  Would these 'fat threads' be similar to or different than the thread You started about if people can lose weight to do the gastric bypass why do they need the surgery? Is it because they are too lazy????

It might be relevant or important for you to consider how you are coming across to people in this venue. It might be something worth looking at or working on. i'm inclined to believe that You may have some difficulty getting along with co-workers when you finish college.
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:30:56 PM   
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"Foreign" tech support is not usually found on American soil (usually you're connected with someone in India).  So that wouldn't even apply to the situation here.


Actually, I think it's still valid.  An American-based company hires people from India (or wherever) to provide technical support for products that are sold -- mainly -- in the U.S.  The expectation is that the people calling are going to probably speak English, and it's likely that the technical support personnel are required to speak English in order to work at that job.  But to what extent are they required to speak English?  Most of the ones that I've encountered are fluent, but the accent is so heavy that I often can't understand some of what they are saying.  Of course, the tech support people don't hold my health/life in their hands, so their role is diminished, but still...if the callers aren't able to converse with the tech support person, then it's likely that the issue won't be resolved, the customer will be pissed, and the company loses a customer.  So I'd say there is an expected level of proficiency there.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:31:57 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:33:01 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:33:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I said it didn't apply because the OP was talking about American citizens.  People living in India, working for a company that outsources its tech support to India, aren't American citizens.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not standing up for them, I'm saying that it doesn't apply... else you could say that anyone who expects to do business with Americans should be required to speak English without a thick accent.


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:47:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, Kalista, and as I explained before,  It's not cause I assume they're lazy. If the diet doctors put you on to qualify for the surgury worked, why wouldn't it work in an out of the hospital situation.

What was so different? Is the point of the question.


Why can we work and work and work AND WORK so hard to loose weight and get no where, and then the diets doctors put people on to qualify work?

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"It happens all the time with fat threads, people do go on and on about how fat women are disgusting and if they just ate less and w orked out more they'd loose weight. All theothers who're angry w/ith the  statements rant and rail and go on to defend why the person's so wrong, but personally I know fat threads are full of hatefull mis assumptions so I don't go in them."

YHMA, i quoted the above portion because it stuck out to me.  Would these 'fat threads' be similar to or different than the thread You started about if people can lose weight to do the gastric bypass why do they need the surgery? Is it because they are too lazy????

It might be relevant or important for you to consider how you are coming across to people in this venue. It might be something worth looking at or working on. i'm inclined to believe that You may have some difficulty getting along with co-workers when you finish college.
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 5:53:57 PM   
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why aren't there stricter rules in place, about people who wish to be citizens being proficient in the launguage of the country, instead of barely passable?


What exactly is the language of this country? 

This question brings to mind the example of cultural imperialism that the British Empire attempted to force on the Welsh, Irish and Scots during the 18th and 19th centuries.   http://www.newinreference.com/reference/cu/Cultural_imperialism.asp


http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=US

This is a list of both living and extinct languages used throughout America. To quote, "The number of languages listed for USA is 238. Of those, 162 are living languages, 3 are second language without mother-tongue speakers, and 73 are extinct."   I'm sure many Native Americans were wondering why these darn foreigners couldn't learn their language(s).

Like it or not, America is a melting pot.

*edited to clean up spelling because I'm just weird like that!

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 6:01:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm just wondering: what are "higher anking american citizens"?

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You see it all the time, and the people are higher anking american citizens,  Who;ve been here 20 or 30 years, like doctors, but yet they hardly speak well enough to communicate with their clients, and It got me to wondering, why aren't there stricter rules in place, about people who wish to be citizens being proficient in the launguage of the country, instead of barely passable?

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