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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 7:25:22 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 7:27:56 PM   
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I speak very fluiently, but I don't type so good. So tyhe question is reversed.
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Actually, it would be "I don't type too well" or "My typing is not so good."

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 7:29:37 PM   
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Being from the mid-Atlantic region of the US, my accent is fairly non-existent, like a news anchor.  However, when I'm around people from further "down South" than me, I find myself twanging moreso than usual.  I studied linguistics in college and love all the different ways people use words to express themselves. 

One of the most interesting professors I had was from "way down South," Virginia, and she taught French.  That was a treat for sure. 

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 7:47:19 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 7:50:30 PM   
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While that is probably a thinly concealed dig at my poor skills in english, I will agree that is true. However if I had studied english for 20 years, * impossible in itself since I am only 26* I think I would be much much MUCH improved on my grammar and spelling and such things, since the issue is I was never taught  very well about grammar and other stuff  when I was going to school, And there's other area's such as math, where there are HUGE gaps in my education.


I simply cannot get my head wrapped around the possiblity that I am understanding you. I must be reading what you are saying completely wrong.

Are you really saying that *other* people are responsible for their own education, and making sure that they study and learn things that would make them more socially acceptable to you - but you are not responsible for your own education? really?

You are 26, that means you have, indeed, been formally studying English, grammer, spelling, reading, writing and vocabulary for 20 years - and informally for 26 years.

I also got a very bad public school education, and I work, on my own, to improve. I am taking myself through some computer programs designed for middle schoolers because, esp in math, there is one - ONE - particular thing that I have NEVER been able to get through my thick head, even with the help of sons who are Master's canadates in Pure Math, an Engineer for both a first DH and a current Master. I fretted about how poor American Education is in Geography, so I worked on finding resources to teach my sons those things better than I felt they would get them in school. I worked at finding all kinds of history resources, because I was terrified that in school they would learn 'White Male Middle Class Protestant American US History', and I just would NOT have that.

You can learn, anything that you want to learn. You are 26. You are young. (young enough that you should still be in school, in fact). If you feel that doctor was responsible for her own education - than so are you.

BTW, you do not have to be a citizen in order to practice as a doctor or lawyer in the US. You do, however, have to pass tests on your ability to speak English as well as on your licence, if you recieve your licence from schools outside the US. I guess they just didn't have 'horse' on the test. really, how bad is that? call in a nurse and say, she does not understand that I fell from a horse.' (that is, if there hadn't been a calander handy)

My sister used to be a manager at a resteraunt where they had so much Spanish speaking staff that the corperate headquarters sent her a poster with common words in English and Spanish. She said, 'it has words like horse, cow, and church. I need words like 'go home, come back tommorrow' 'can you work late' and 'you are fired'

Edit - BTW, if you really do have any desire to improve your grmmer, ect - can I recomend a delightful, fun to read book, 'Eats, Shoots, and Leaves' ? :)

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 7:56:29 PM   
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Are you really saying that *other* people are responsible for their own education, and making sure that they study and learn things that would make them more socially acceptable to you - but you are not responsible for your own education? really?

You are 26, that means you have, indeed, been formally studying English, grammer, spelling, reading, writing and vocabulary for 20 years - and informally for 26 years.


Thank you. 

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BTW, you do not have to be a citizen in order to practice as a doctor or lawyer in the US. You do, however, have to pass tests on your ability to speak English as well as on your licence, if you recieve your licence from schools outside the US. I guess they just didn't have 'horse' on the test. really, how bad is that? call in a nurse and say, she does not understand that I fell from a horse.' (that is, if there hadn't been a calander handy)


Maybe a veterinarian would have been a better choice.

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:04:25 PM   
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Ability to be understood and being proficient in a language have nothing to do with each other.  I won't even touch the "higher ranking american citizens" part.


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Personally I think every one should speak Tsalagi or something simular. Since all of these foreigners are mucking about on my people's lands. As Cali said and some others pointed out... Being proficent, and being understood are two different things. I had a good friend who was Hispanic, spoke perfectly good english. Had in fact been a "Ranking officer" in the army that worked for the same company. I was his supervisor and I detested the assholes who would ask for someone who spoke english simply because he had a slight accent. I always took those calls and was sure to remind them that he did in fact speak english they were just commenting on his light accent.

We are a globalized world now. If you are too slow, or too stupid or too lazy to listen to someone with an accent then it is you who needs to learn how to cope.

If you have ever traveled you will notice in each and every country including our own that the accents of how people speak change.

I have a midwest accent and speaking pattern. When I speak French is is with a Parisian accent, my smattering of German is accented from the black forest region where my fathers family is from.

we *ALL* speak with an acccent.

Take a New Yorker to the Bayou in Lousiana and the two sets of people will simply not understand one another.

I think when you go to a country even on a short visit you should make a good attempt to speak the local language. It might not be perfect.. and it will be American accented.. but damn it you should try. I know pleantly of people who come here and speak very good English. I live in a tourist state so it is easier perhaps for me to see this.

We each have our differances.

I would also like to know what the hell does it have to do with rank? Who decides what rank should do what? Last time I checked America is not in a Caste based society.

I know a lot of Natural Born Americans I simply can not converse with because we do not understand one another.

My Son's 1st grade teacher and Librarian thought we were from England or South Africa simply becuase we spoke "proper" English lacking any slang.

So Sad that when you speak "Proper English" people think you can not possibly born American.


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:15:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, it's not what I am saying. tsatske, by still in school you mean college?

I probably should be going,  But I've looked at what the local colleges have to offer, I thought maybe a degree in practical arts, or something, Something that I could really get behind and enjoy, and there wasn't anything that interested me. I also don't understand the point in spending all that money if you don't want a high powered carrer, or a carrer that required a degree.


If I wanted to be a doctor, or a teacher, or a lawer, or something that required accredidation, yes, But I;m not looking for a high powered job. I'd be happy with working at a book store, or a craft store, or going down to the local SPCA, any other type of job, that a degree wasn't nessisary.

All though I have wanted to find jobs where the 3 of my strongest passions were represented, that's arts and crafts, Elderly, and animals.

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I simply cannot get my head wrapped around the possiblity that I am understanding you. I must be reading what you are saying completely wrong.

Are you really saying that *other* people are responsible for their own education, and making sure that they study and learn things that would make them more socially acceptable to you - but you are not responsible for your own education? really?

You can learn, anything that you want to learn. You are 26. You are young. (young enough that you should still be in school, in fact). If you feel that doctor was responsible for her own education - than so are you.

BTW, you do not have to be a citizen in order to practice as a doctor or lawyer in the US. You do, however, have to pass tests on your ability to speak English as well as on your licence, if you recieve your licence from schools outside the US. I guess they just didn't have 'horse' on the test. really, how bad is that? call in a nurse and say, she does not understand that I fell from a horse.' (that is, if there hadn't been a calander handy)

My sister used to be a manager at a resteraunt where they had so much Spanish speaking staff that the corperate headquarters sent her a poster with common words in English and Spanish. She said, 'it has words like horse, cow, and church. I need words like 'go home, come back tommorrow' 'can you work late' and 'you are fired'

Edit - BTW, if you really do have any desire to improve your grmmer, ect - can I recomend a delightful, fun to read book, 'Eats, Shoots, and Leaves' ? :)

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:18:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		My dad loves that book. WAsn't there a joke about eating, shooting  and leaving on the back of it or something.


I will have to borrow it when I am done with my reading assignments. Currently for the next month my reading time will be taken up by completing missing credits in English at the local Adult ed here, I have that and math to go through, before I can take an exit exam and  get a highschool diploma, since I dropped out of highschool when I was 20.

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Edit - BTW, if you really do have any desire to improve your grmmer, ect - can I recomend a delightful, fun to read book, 'Eats, Shoots, and Leaves' ? :)

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:23:38 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:28:10 PM   
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I thought maybe a degree in practical arts, or something, Something that I could really get behind and enjoy, and there wasn't anything that interested me. I also don't understand the point in spending all that money if you don't want a high powered carrer, or a carrer that required a degree.


I have never heard of a degree in "practical arts." 

I am surprised that with an ENTIRE college catalogue of courses to choose from, you could find NOTHING that interested you, in light of all your "just curious" questions that you post.

A good many people spend all that money, time, and effort because they want to better their selfs and their lives. 

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:28:12 PM   
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YHMA,
i just wanted to let you know i'll be praying for you. And please do not forget.....Jesus loves you.!!!!!!

edited to add: i am waaaayyy over tired and need to go to bed. But, i feel as if i'm too tired to go to bed. Any suggestions?


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:31:09 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:32:45 PM   
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Я только отвечу на ваш вопрос в русском, так как ясно Вы не можете понять это.
Вашу нехватку способности использовать английский и проверки правописания можно было бы рассмотреть нехваткой языковых навыков на своем собственном. Пойдите жалуются где-то в другом месте.
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:32:45 PM   
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why aren't there stricter rules in place, about people who wish to be citizens being proficient in the launguage of the country, instead of barely passable?

According to Wikipedia, "The United States does not have an official language".  So even if it were okay to force people in the US to speak the official language, that would be...... nothing.

Also, your racist undertones are showing again.  :(


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:34:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well there's a lot of stuff I'm not interested in, even with how curious I am.

A lot of their stuff was just quite honestly  stuff that was boreing to me,or stuff I wouldn't give a ratts ass about,  like nutrition, or child developement, or pychology, or history major, or engeineering, ect ect. All very technicall all very cut and dry, and all deathly boreing in my opinion.

And it's good they do, I personally want sewing lessons and it's 15 dollars a lesson, and I am willing to pay that cause I like to sew, and w*ould like to be capable of making clothing again, But I wouldn't put a ton of time money and effort, into something I wasn't interested in, or it was quite honestly above my educational ability to comprehend it and my ability in understanding it. And if I was honest, and I will be and you'll all probably make fun of my honestly, but who cares rip away, a lot of the stuff IS beyond my capabilities to graps and comprehend and understand right now.

PRactical arts, could of been bachaler arts,  But basically you majored in art stuff.


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degree in "practical arts."
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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: YourhandMyAss

I thought maybe a degree in practical arts, or something, Something that I could really get behind and enjoy, and there wasn't anything that interested me. I also don't understand the point in spending all that money if you don't want a high powered carrer, or a carrer that required a degree.


I have never heard of a degree in "practical arts." 

I am surprised that with an ENTIRE college catalogue of courses to choose from, you could find NOTHING that interested you, in light of all your "just curious" questions that you post.

A good many people spend all that money, time, and effort because they want to better their selfs and their lives. 

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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:35:20 PM   
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YHMA,
i just wanted to let you know i'll be praying for you. And please do not forget.....Jesus loves you.!!!!!!

edited to add: i am waaaayyy over tired and need to go to bed. But, i feel as if i'm too tired to go to bed. Any suggestions?


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:39:43 PM   
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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:41:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is the entire catalog for the class of 2009 and what is offered at the American River JR college, which is in my town. Like I said, not a lick of it interests me. Except maybe the sewing classes and my skills are no where near that high and I don't want to sew to be a fashion designer.


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RE: Why aren't there stricter protocals in place about ... - 12/11/2008 8:41:45 PM   
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