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Aszhrae -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 12:07:29 PM)

Be who you are, 'colouredin'.
Keep your emotions in check and stay focus.
Enlighten them.
Their choice if they want to remain in the dark after being informed.



BitchGoddessD -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 12:11:42 PM)

I have been in similar situations.  Don't worry what other students think.  I had many pass judgement on me.  I was more amused than anything else.  I once defined a "family" as two or more people who say they are a family.  Nothing else required.  That was an interesting discussion.  lol  Still got an A in the class because teachers look at what you say differently.  It does not seem from what you have said that your teacher is the one you are worried about.  Just be yourself is the best advice I have to give. 



CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 12:17:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: aravain

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ORIGINAL: Lockit
I would be thinking of recording my classes if she is projecting in such a way.


Be careful if you do this in the USA. You must have the professor's agreement (either in writing or on the tape) because otherwise not only the professor, but the *school* can sue you. Intellectual property and copyright laws and all that.



This isn't my experience. I've always recorded my college lectures, and so did more than half my classmates. Every study group I attended from community college through graduate school used someone's recordings of the class to clarify points that were foggy in the notes. It also comes in handy when an instructor or professor has said something in class that you've noted on an exam, and then the prof says that xhe didn't say it. It helps refresh everyone's memory.



colouredin -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 1:30:16 PM)

I want to thank everyone for posting, its one of those situations where my concern about it has completely blurred rational thought which of course is why i posted here, many of you have given me a fresh perspective and helped me calm down so thankyou for that. I think I will go and speak up if i feel it is needed even if (as has been said) it is only to offer another perspective.

It ist actually my lecturer who is the problem, in fact she is rather wonderful and very concerned about offending someone, it is my classmates, we all have rather strong personalities and some have very fixed imobile views which can make the room very tense.



aravain -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 2:29:57 PM)

I was told by a professor once that they would legally pursue anyone who taped a lecture, and that my college would back them up... and that it had happened before (and ended with a settlement).

I looked into it and the lectures and stuff ARE considered intellectual property, and if the professor has copyrighted materials it's even worse.

Besides that though, it's impolite to tape someone without asking anyways.



colouredin -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 2:32:40 PM)

Yep its true in the UK you can be taken to court over it (though that is a bit far) but no lecturers I have ever met wouldnt allow you to tape them.



aravain -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 2:37:16 PM)

I've only met the one before, myself :)



KnightofMists -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 4:19:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

My question then is rather basic what would you do in this situation?


It really doesn't matter what I would do... for what I do will have nothing to do with what you should do.

Look in the mirror... and ask yourself.. is this a person that keeps her thoughts to herself on an issue and is ok with that... Or is she the kind of person that speaks her thoughts and feels good about that! 

Also.. how other people think of you going to affect how you look upon yourself in that mirror.  If it does then maybe you should listen to what is being said... if you agree... speak with words that show agreement.  If you don't agree.. keep quiet.

However, if what other people think of you is not so important when you look in that mirror.. maybe you should speak when you feel it right for you.



SageFemmexx -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 4:54:46 PM)

I am working on my PhD and I have been in many a course that had a biased and ignorant professor. I can tell you for my own self respect I have learned to speak up--ask calm questions and explain why I disagree with their opinion that is being imposed upon the class.

Professors often will respect an outspoken student who states their position as long as it is done without nastiness. Other students may whisper about you for being different but, that's their problem.

Honestly as to your grade--do the work, if you feel it is being graded with bias because you asked a question then go to the Dean and appeal it. I've always been a 4.0 student and I've always stated my opinion in every university I have attended. I've never been penalized for it although the professor may not have liked it.

Best wishes for your future.
Sage.



gypsygrl -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 5:12:29 PM)

Here's how I see it: As a student, its not your job to inform the other students of anything.  Your only job is to study hard, learn the material, ace the exams ect and get a good grade.  If speaking up is going to interfere with you're ability to stay focused on your studies, then, yeah, I'd stay quiet.  There will be other opportunities to speak up. 



littlewonder -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 7:26:00 PM)

I would go to the lecture but really in the end it wouldn't be a big deal to me nor would I feel it's my job to inform anyone about anything. They're adults who can make up their own minds and can learn on their own if they're so wanting to.

My life is just that..mine, not anyone else's business.



tia111 -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 7:44:18 PM)

I would "inform" by posing questions. I agree with the person who said you are there to learn. No body likes the person who thinks they know everything. As to the speaker you had in your class, i would speak to the prof and tell her you felt the speaker was completely out of line. Tell her the speakers opinions, which were coming out as fact,  offended you. That way, if the teacher hasn't already scratched this speaker off of her list for next term, she can consider it. 



DavanKael -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 8:00:04 PM)

You asked what I would do rather than what you should do: 
I often get dubbed "sex positivity girl", so I would likely refute the things that I disagreed with via academic points and the, more selectively self-disclose. 
  Davan



Jeptha -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 9:02:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: agirl

You can have strong opinions on something without getting emotional.

If you have points to make, you don't have to tie them up with how you feel emotionally.


I would tend to agree with this.
Well...I guess it depends on what the emotion is, and how it's expressed.

My first hit is that you can say your piece, whatever perspective you feel needs to be respresented, and you can be passionate about it...as long as you are respecting other's right to their own views (fucked though you may find them to be)...

Even if you don't mean to convey it that way, if you get emotional there's more of a chance that people will react by taking it personally, I think.

If you let them know that you are debating their ideas, not their personal qualities, then I would think there would be no problem.

Or at least less of one.
~ Surely in an academic setting they should be able to handle some variety of opinion.



slavejali -> RE: Job to inform (12/13/2008 9:02:56 PM)

Fast reply

There is no need to defend your position...it just weakens it.



colouredin -> RE: Job to inform (12/14/2008 2:39:16 AM)

I do think i need to point something out, my concern isnt about my grade, as I said the lecturer is very open minded and I know that I am academic enough to do well, that really isnt what I am worried about. Its more the case of having responsibility to inform, these people are going to be going out to create social policy and decide the validity of peoples lifestyles, that is what the course is for.

This one girl that I mentioned has since had some complaints made about her by other students in the hope that she will be removed from the course. The issue I have is that these people will affect peoples lives and I have been putting a burden on myself, if I have the ability to explain alternative lifestyles to them maybe they will open their mind to them maybe they wont. This was my worry.



gypsygrl -> RE: Job to inform (12/14/2008 7:17:54 AM)

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I have been putting a burden on myself, if I have the ability to explain alternative lifestyles to them maybe they will open their mind to them maybe they wont.


Right.  And, its not really your burden to take on.  Seriously.  You're probably simply causing yourself alot of stress over nothing, which over the long term will affect your ability to function in an acedemic (and later, job related) environment.  Its kind of like an enabling relationship, where someone takes on way more responsibility than is their's to take on in the interests of 'fixing' someone.  Perhaps, they're thinking you're not informed.  In any case, they have the right to their own views and beliefs just as you do no matter how twisted those beliefs are.  That question is different from whether or not they will be able to perform the job of policy analyst (or whatever) effectively. 



colouredin -> RE: Job to inform (12/14/2008 7:49:17 AM)

I think you are right actually Gypsygrl, thanks. It is the kind of advice I have given a million times, you cant 'fix' anyone etc its just different when its you in the situation, you cant distance yourself as easily. So thankyou.  I dunno why i have worked myself up over it so much.



SlaveIndigochild -> RE: Job to inform (12/14/2008 12:41:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colouredin
So I dont know what to do, people were aware of my feelings in the last lecture and i really dont want to become a joke


When i first goy interested in psychology it was because i read a section in an old encyclopaedia when i was a kid. It had a picture of a castle: the port cullis represented the ego and (yes you guessed it) the superego was shouting from the ramparts and the fate of the ego was closing in against the demands of the id....and so began my lifetime's fascination with psychological theory, research and practce. When i was very very much younger i felt the realm of psychology belonhed to others. Now i undertsand a great deal more about the role that theory, findings and approaches inform my life on so many levels.
i am not a big fan of behaviourism. Nor am i much of a conformist....which seems a paradox since i am an s-type. i simply don't feel that conformity to what most others think is correct is my main drive. However the dynamic of Our relationship IS and although i am often a difficult slave to manage, on the whole my otherwise wild creativity is happiest within confines.
SO: i wonder why you are so worried about conforming to others' expectations of you? i wonder why you worry about becoming a joke if others are informed by your views on sexuality. In my experience sexuality is a selfish preoccupation and once most have a taste for their own preference (myself included) it really is a question of personal, experiential preference. In short difference is great. Diversity is fundamental. And personal exploration is the major part of the equation.
Surely the age of behavioural repression is over? And that includes any discriminatory atitudes other students (especially of psychology) might have about you?
If that it not the case then it is time to trail blaze and speak out from experience.....enlighten others from your knowedge and then watch the party sizzle. We all love something interesting to talk about....and sexulaity makes a change from recession.



Aswad -> RE: Job to inform (12/14/2008 2:31:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ExSteelAgain

Thus if you think it's in your best interests not to speak up, then don't speak up. No shame there.


Bollocks.

Living life according to what is in one's best interests at the time, with no regard for passion or principle, is less than a shadow of living, and far beyond shameful. If she feels passionately about this, then she should apply that passion. Which is not to say that it can't be channeled with some thought as to what might be the most useful way to apply it, but it should certainly not be unneccessarily restrained. Caged passions eventually atrophy into apathy. One must ask oneself whether a passion that can be thus caged was ever truly a passion to begin with?

If there is something wrong in the world, the only way to be sure nothing gets done about a thing, is to do nothing about it. And that is a choice- whether defaulting or not, the consequences are one's own to bear, and so is the accountability. There is definitely an abundance of shame in not having at least tried to change what one sees as wrong. To stand by in silence and defer responsibility onto those who either do not see, choose not to see, or do not care that there is something that needs to change- this is worse than surrender, which at least has the dignity of honestly caring and trying behind it.

As the quote goes, "all it takes for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."

Health,
al-Aswad.



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