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LadyPact -> RE: Job to inform (12/14/2008 10:18:05 PM)

Agreed Aswad.

I'm not saying charge into class, full of piss and vinegar looking for an emotional debate, checking the speaker for any little thing that might not align with your views.  What I am saying is, if the lecture is flawed, take notes and present your questions and different opinions in the time alloted.  It's not that you have to get worked up about it or have to cause a disruption. 

If it is not the grade you that causes you reservations about speaking up, exactly what is the motivation for your fear?  That your peers, the other students, will have something to say about it?  The other girl you mentioned may have had some things said about her, but she's still in the course, isn't she?  Why do you think these same students have more power over you than they do over her?

I'll tell you why.  Because you're giving it to them.  In turn, you are taking power away from yourself.

They may not learn a thing about whatever it is that you feel the need to inform them of at this little venture, but I'll bet you have something to learn about yourself.



gypsygrl -> RE: Job to inform (12/15/2008 3:11:03 AM)

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if the lecture is flawed


The lecture isn't flawed.  She said that a couple times.  She's not worried about the instruction but that people come into class with views different from her own, views she finds offensive.  To me, the scenario she presents would be similar to someone losing sleep over a heated conversation on these boards where people took opposing views.  Its one thing to take, speak from and act on a position and another to feel responsible for everybody else's position.  In a college classroom, "everybody else's position" isn't even the instructor's responsibility.  (There's a difference between teaching and changing minds.  When those lines get blurred, it becomes propeganda.)



CNJDom -> RE: Job to inform (12/15/2008 4:11:30 AM)

Hello colouredin,  While I do believe in promoting sexual freedom, and enlightening the willing to listen on the merits and joy of BDSM, sometimes discretion is a better thing.  No need to come out to everyone all the time.  Sometimes it is not appropriate or safe.  Other times it may also bring on more negativity and complication for certain situations.  I would say not to open up in this instance.  School is sort of like a work environment...if you come out to other students and such that is your decision, but usualy when it is brought out on a mass scale, then a mass repsonse can be varied and complicated.  Gay is more accepted than BDSM in some areas... even GAY BDSM...but it still carries a stigma with it in some areas.  I lived in the Bible belt of Florida for most of my life, and if I had came out during that time, I'm sure things would have been more than awful for me until I left.   Just be careful, the backlash can be more costly than the promotion.  There are times to open up and there are times to keep it to yourself until a better time.




HalloweenWhite -> RE: Job to inform (12/15/2008 5:47:55 AM)

I'd go, and if you disagree with something say so, no one expects you to agree with everything and as long as you argue in a calm, thoughtful way, in the end, people with think well of you for having intelligent, well thought out arguments.

What harm can it do do disagree with something someone says?.



stella41b -> RE: Job to inform (12/15/2008 5:51:21 AM)

Education is all about those 'penny dropping' moments, creating them, experiencing them, sharing them and celebrating them.

Coming out should never take place without support when you're in an isolated position.

Speaking out and raising awareness need not reveal your own sexuality unless you wish it so, but simply state a position, and you can leave everyone else to make their own assumptions and draw their own conclusions.

This is higher education, not school. There is a difference. Having taught at university level as a lecturer I can assure you that the input from students was just as informative and educational as my own input and that is the way it should be. The lecturer isn't supreme authority but more of a mentor and guide, for each and every one of you in that lecture signed up voluntarily of your own free will.

I say speak out, whether you come out or not is your decision, but by speaking out you create another opportunity for another 'penny dropping' moment, and in a lecture on such a course that cannot be a bad thing.



Jeptha -> RE: Job to inform (12/15/2008 10:49:32 AM)

In reply to Aswad; on the one hand you have passion, on the other, indifference.
At their extremes the one can become zealotry, and at the other end of the spectrum, apathy.
(...Nice how that worked out to be "A to Z"...)
Passion has to be balanced with tolerance to find some middle place.



Aswad -> RE: Job to inform (12/16/2008 5:10:44 AM)

Being tolerant of intolerance is admittedly not my strongest point, Jeptha. Reciprocal forfeiture, if you wish- the one who initiates the intolerance forfeits their claim to mine, to keep it simple. When in Rome and all that. Regardless, the point stands that all it takes for defeat to occur is to not reach for victory, and I would say that demonstrably false and inconsistent prejudices are a worthwhile opponent to conquer. Besides which, if it's not worth fighting for, I fail to see how one can consider it an important part of one's life. A valued part, perhaps, but not an overly important one. There is a certain difference between passion and zealotry. I doubt we would consider Martin L. King a zealot, despite the strength and depth of his convictions, and despite his willingness to fight for them in the manner he thought best.

I am not advocating she go on a violent crusade here, but rather that she not compromise her convictions and passions out of convenience. Speaking up is generally recognized as a necessary part of causing social change. When everyone is silent, nothing changes. Obviously, the nail that sticks out is going to be the first to get hammered, but if nobody chooses to be that nail, then everyone accepts what is. For some, safety and convenience are a higher priority than liberty and acceptance. The US was once a place for those whose priorities were the other way around, to the point where it was suggested that one with such priorities deserved neither. Seems to me that is no longer the case, with a number of people advocating that safety and convenience should be the priority, that liberty needn't be all that extensive, and that acceptance is something one has no claim to. I happen to agree with the suggested implications for what those deserve.

Health,
al-Aswad.



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