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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 2:51:26 PM   
Jeptha


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Thanks for that report, jlf1961. Very entertaining!

I've never seen any, but there's some group that meets on July 5th here in Portland to discuss UFO sightings that occurred over town on that date in 1947.

It was a well-documented sighting, with commercial airline pilots and lots of others reporting having seen something.

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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 4:41:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

http://www.pinebushufo.com/

I live 20 minutes from here. It's not uncommon for lots of people to see strange things.
Of course there's also a huge airforce/national guard airport nearby, so usually I assume it's the military lying about stuff.


The military doesnt tell us anything and takes any evidence every found. Known people who were in the AirForce and reported 'ufo' activity/sitings, and the reports they drew up just seemed to have poof in the air, and where told to be quiet about it., Happen to my husband during the Korea war.

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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 7:13:32 PM   
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As the day ends I find that other people have seen this which I saw last night. I was a little put off by that advice. If it "was" anything would they tell me?
And some of these UFO sources could and prolly are Gov ran. But the guy was nice.... but the earth does orbit. I doubt "it" will be back tonight.

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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 7:39:23 PM   
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I think reporting what you saw to a local newspaper, radio or TV station is the way to go.  There might well be other people in the area viewing the same object and perhaps a further investigation would take place.

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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 8:39:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
Maybe there is more to our world than we know yet, to that I keep an open mind, but feel those that are constantly with us, the gods of old perhaps will reveal themselves when it is we learn the true nature of our being here.



I hope there is more to the world that we don't know.  I remember getting sent to the principals office in the second grade when I got into a shouting match with my teacher.  She said there was one galaxy.  I disagreed.  I still disagree..at least other people agree with me now.



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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 8:43:52 PM   
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Then where the fuck were they on 9/11 when people thought the White House was about to be bombed?

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ORIGINAL: TheUtopian

I think they've been noticed.... There's many documented sightings/visitations. Although I tend to agree with Rule----Most of them are ours. I think we have some incredibly top-secret and stealthy new very hi-performance aircraft. I think we have aircraft not known to the general populace that can ''seemingly'' disappear.....and I'm not talking about just on a radar screen.

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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 9:14:57 PM   
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SYMPOSIUM ON UNIDENTIFIED
FLYING OBJECTS

HEARINGS
BEFORE THE
COMMITTEE ON SCIENCE AND ASTRONAUTICS

U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
NINETIETH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION

JULY 29, 1968


Dr. Sagan: "Apparently what is now happening is that the Air Force surveillance radar is throwing away the data that is of relevance for this inquiry. In other words, if it sees something that is not on a ballistic trajectory, or not in orbit, it ignores it, it throws it in the garbage."

"Well, that garbage is just the area of our interest. So if some method could be devised by the Air Force to save the output that they are throwing away from these space surveillance radars, it might be the least expensive way to significantly improve our information about these phenomena."


This statement was concerned with the NORAD habit of throwing away recordings of 'fast walker' radar tracks.

The definition of a Fast Walker is as follows:
Any radar track which does not exhibit any ballistic trajectory, has originated from outside earth orbit, and has exhibited unusual flight characteristics which cannot be explained by atmospheric bounce.

Atmospheric bounce is the effect the atmosphere has on objects that are on a collision course with the surface and due to atmospheric density changes trajectory.

Now, since the NORAD systems are designed to alert operators to any high velocity object which is of sufficient size and velocity to either be a man made object on a ballistic trajectory OR an extra orbital object on an impact trajectory.

AND

NORAD systems differentiate between man made objects which have a constant and regular radar return and natural objects which has an irregular return due to axial rotation.

Therefore, 'Fast Walker' alerts are triggered only after a series of programmed parameters have been met and the computers decide that a human operator needs to figure out what the crap is going on.

Now, since in the case of NORAD, radar track recordings are not 'thrown out in the garbage' in the literal sense, they are kept on the computers to allow the computers to use them as reference data, however, the written report by the operators are filed in the basic, "when we figure out if this crap is really important we will let someone know, otherwise we will keep our mouths shut so we do not end up stationed at some weather outpost at the south pole" file drawer.

While it isn't public knowledge, the usual result of an astronaut reporting an unidentified object is extensive psychological examinations to rule out the possibility of some sort of mental instability caused by a weightless environment.

The two original mercury astronauts that reported sightings were out of the flight rotation for some time until they satisfied the NASA admin people that they were not crazy.  The Gemini crews that made similar reports were taken out of the Apollo rotation until the same satisfaction was made.  As far as shuttle crew reports, with two exceptions, there have been no incidents.

Former Soviet Space agency records recently released show that several cosmonauts that reported unusual sightings spent extended vacations in various medical facilities in remote locations throughout the Soviet Union.

Which brings us back to the following theories concerning manned interplanetary or interstellar flight:

1) If we do run into any intelligent species out there, our crews will probably have orders to suicide and destroy the ship in order to prevent the aliens from finding out where it came from OR
2) Our ships will go out armed with every conceivable weapon system we can design and mount on a space going craft, and upon encountering an intelligent alien species, the mission commander will say, with the all to human response to the unknown, "It looks hostile, lets blow the bastard out of space! Open fire!"

Which will result in the alien commander saying, "Grezaler Hogunzaie Ficounta!!!!"*

Now this will mean that out grandchildren or great grandchildren will be born into a world with no cities, no technology, and absolutely no idea what the hell happened except in the form of some story about the angels from the heavens coming down and blasting their ancestors back to the stone age for their terrible sins.

Now, there is the possibility that before our race is so rightfully subjected to this punishment, the few hundred thousand of us that actually believe that there are better things to do than destroy everything might get transplanted to some non polluted world, given the tools and technology needed to actually develope a more compassionate and intelligent race, and most likely be assigned the job of watching our cousins and making sure they behave.




*rough translation: What the hell do those primitive idiots think they are doing? Kill the bastards, and find out where their homeworld is and destroy it, blast that race back to their primitive pre civilized cultural level and hope the hell they do it right the next time!"


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RE: Do you believe? - 12/14/2008 9:50:45 PM   
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i think there are other life forms out there, and i've seen some flying things that i couldn't really explain.
the rapid direction changes or unnatural formations, etc etc
i think some of them our probably ours, some of them could be from outside, no idea
but astronauts have reported things, military pilots have reported things, people who are "up there" routinely see things that can't be explained

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