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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 9:22:24 AM   
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OP, very well written and informative post.

Personally, I believe we all have a Goddess or God within, and don't believe in supremacy of any kind.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 9:32:03 AM   
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Why attack "female supremacy" as a concept and not "male supremacy" or any other supremacy?

Has that philosophy personally done something that harmed you?

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 9:35:10 AM   
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One person's supreme feminine is another's employee, daughter, niece or even sister.  Being so generalized, it is hard to even recognize your point.  I'm lost.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 11:28:50 AM   
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I wonder if you may have skewed your definition of "female supremacy" to make it align more closely with colonial attitudes of "classic" slavery.

If I were to accept your definition of "female supremacy", then yes, I would accept your conclusion, as well.

I'm not that terribly familiar with the argument, but what I've heard seems to posit that men are by nature (or is it nurture? whichever...) war-like, and therefor poor leaders (as they are prone to start wars at the drop of a hat; that is, at the slightest affront, real or imagined, to their tiny male egos.)

Women, on the other hand, are more closely aligned with the pain of giving birth, the responsibility toward life, yadda, yadda, yadda.

So the argument goes.

The argument can be developed further to claim that if societies had remained matriarchal, we would still be sitting around in mud huts, living in sustainable hunter - gatherer societies, with great wisdom and respect for plants, animals, the earth, etc.

But instead, male gratification must always seek outside of itself for it's own fulfillment - a doomed task which is mirrored in "masculine" pursuits such as high-industrialism and unrestrained capitalism, etc.

Edited to add; I don't believe in either definition of "female supremacy", personally.
I think the same flaws or virtues can be found in anyone.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 1:32:43 PM   
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It's funny how these epic posting on superiority-play/theory are always about female superiority...

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 2:04:23 PM   
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Strippers as goddesses? Huh. I guess that to me perpetuating the myth *or reality I suppose in some cases, that women are commodoties to be purchased like ground beef, a few dollars for some pussy, they are not goddesses. Not to this feminist anyway.


Not all strippers/lap dancers/pro Mistress are hookers. That is a very presumptuous statement. They may be in the sex game but thats not to say they are actually having sex for a few dollars.


Sorry to be pedantic but it doesnt actually say that they are hookers, it says that they are commodities, which in fairness is what a stripper/lap dancer/Pro etc is doing, selling their femaleness more than anything else (i think Pro-mistresses are slightly differant but the first two not so much)

On topic with the OP, i agree female supremecy is a stupid concept. Male supremecy is too although we tend to be far more likely to allow that to be subtly played out

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 2:34:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: RumpusParable

It's funny how these epic posting on superiority-play/theory are always about female superiority...


Ha, isn't THAT the truth. Little boys always crying that they are so bothered by Female Supremacy.

Inferior complex, maybe?

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 2:41:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88


Strippers as goddesses? Huh. I guess that to me perpetuating the myth *or reality I suppose in some cases, that women are commodoties to be purchased like ground beef, a few dollars for some pussy, they are not goddesses. Not to this feminist anyway.


Not all strippers/lap dancers/pro Mistress are hookers. That is a very presumptuous statement. They may be in the sex game but thats not to say they are actually having sex for a few dollars.


Sorry to be pedantic but it doesnt actually say that they are hookers, it says that they are commodities, which in fairness is what a stripper/lap dancer/Pro etc is doing, selling their femaleness more than anything else (i think Pro-mistresses are slightly differant but the first two not so much)

On topic with the OP, i agree female supremecy is a stupid concept. Male supremecy is too although we tend to be far more likely to allow that to be subtly played out


colouredin, you got it exactly. I did not mean they were literally all selling sexual services, but certainly they are selling themselves for some money shoved in a thong by some grabby handed schlump. Ewww.  Either way I don't see that as "goddess" behavior. Either way, thanks for clarifying  that for me.  I have been to Scores, The Golden Banana, Platinum Plus, etc., not a prude, I just found it icky. And really really sad.   

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 5:13:32 PM   
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I love when a kink is attacked.
 
Maybe you weren't paying attention as to where the kink is listed...but it's under BDSM interests.  It's not listed with spirituality, it's not listed with the political beliefs, it's not touted as a WORLD VIEW.  It's a KINK. 
 
I'm talking specifically about where it is on CM above.  But seriously, ask most people that are into it, it's just a kink.  It's not how they see the world, it's not thier religion or politics...it's just fun.
 
I know, I've been a bit vocal about this one in the recent past, but honestly, is this the kink that everyone thinks it's ok to attack?  And for those of you running to check my kinks, yep, it's on the list.  But I would defend any (legal)kink being attacked, not just my own. 

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 5:27:30 PM   
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quote:

ere the kink is listed...but it's under BDSM interests. It's not listed with spirituality, it's not li


In a d/s relationship, hopefully both partners contribute and do certain things for the other.  So I'm thinking the term "supremacy" should not be taken literally, at least as it pertains to a meaningful and mutually satisfying relationship.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 5:50:24 PM   
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Girl believes in a matriarchal society, let the women hold office and since the guys like making war, let them have their 'bang-bangs' running off to play cowboy.
Since women can give life by birthing and all the guy does is offer seed. Long may the women reign supreme.
This is what girl believes and always will.
Probably the reason why girl does not like the Gor novels.
Girl's beliefs concerning a matriarchal society is also why girl speak so highly of the goddess.

That's my view, not changing it for squat.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/15/2008 7:59:10 PM   
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Thank you all for your input!

To address some of the points made...

On choosing female supremacy vs male supremacy as the subject:

   Really, as a male submissive, writing about inherent male superiority would be a bit self-defeating, I feel.  The only real outlets for that view I've run across are the Gor books.  Those are, of course, entirely ludicrous, and a poor exercise in craft (which I realize is easy for me to say, as giving criticism on the work of others is ever easier than creating your own material...they succeeded in the only real way that matters, as people apparently kept on buying enough of them for Norman to continue churning the damned things out).  The society in the books is also ludicrous, and while I've seen some online who try and follow the farcical precepts of that fictional society, I've never yet met anyone in the flesh who claims to.  I have met practitioners of female supremacy, however, and so therein lies the reason for my choice. 

   And no, I haven't been hurt by that association with the practitioners of fem supremacy.  I just find it to be, when taken to the extreme mentioned, ridiculous.  I'm happy to believe that you're superior to me as an individual.  I just can't accept it being because you've got more pleasant-looking genitalia.  My Dominant is supreme because they're my Dominant, regardless of their gender.

On the given definition of female supremacy:

   Granted, the definition is skewed.  It is set out as an extreme example.  I chose to make it so because I've run across people who take that example quite seriously, and do live (or claim to) by it.  It is, I feel, an accurate paraphrasing of the most extreme view.  I misspoke by labeling it kink, when what I was referring to was the practice of it as a solid, believed-in 24/7  lifestyle and world view.  If I was cloudy about that in the OP, I apologize, and I'm going to blame it on the late hour it was conceived and that most of the phrasing was composed on the fly in my head.  Obviously, most don't take it to the extreme mentioned in the definition.  But then, some do.

On writing journal posts that immediately turn into forum posts:

   What can I say, I was so proud of stringing even two coherent sentences together at that point in the night/morning, and curious about the views that would be offered, that I felt compelled to put it here too. *grins* 

(minor edit to correct an omission - ~S~)

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 5:04:12 AM   
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Why attack "female supremacy" as a concept and not "male supremacy" or any other supremacy?

Has that philosophy personally done something that harmed you?



I don't see Women complaining about male supremacy like lotsa men who nag and rag about Female Supremacy.

Women don't have fragile egos and couldn't care less what others beliefs. Women don't really feel an overwhelming need to prove themselves to anyone that's why it's mainly men with inferior complexes who struggle to accept other peoples beliefs like Female Supremacy.

If ya don't like it, then stop thinking and reading and looking at it or else it will only make you feel even more inferior and uptight and pissy.


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 6:25:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA


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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Why attack "female supremacy" as a concept and not "male supremacy" or any other supremacy?

Has that philosophy personally done something that harmed you?



I don't see Women complaining about male supremacy like lotsa men who nag and rag about Female Supremacy.


You are not looking in the right places then.


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Women don't have fragile egos and couldn't care less what others beliefs. Women don't really feel an overwhelming need to prove themselves to anyone that's why it's mainly men with inferior complexes who struggle to accept other peoples beliefs like Female Supremacy.


Change the word "women" to the word "people" and you are closer to truth.




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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 6:31:44 AM   
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Hmm I would argue that its true. I think people do have fragile egos, all people regardless of sex. Also I think most do feel the need to prove themselves at one point or another.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 6:54:09 AM   
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First off, Squirrel, I wanted to commend you on the excellent writing. With that said, on to the subject matter... at least my 2 cents.

The extreme view of female supremacy that you're laying out is, in my opinion (as well as virtually everyone else posting her, it seems) somewhat fantastical. It can have a certain veneer of eroticism to those of us for whom femdomme is a kink of choice, but under hard examination it does not make any sense. Every woman is not superior to every man any more than the converse is true. However, therein lies the rub.

There are no existing societies that have roots in real, everyday female supremacy that I am aware of. Male supremacy (and not that trippy Gor nonsense; plain 'ole ugly garden-variety misogyny), on the other hand, shows up in 'real life' all the time. It is a tacit assumption in many strains of  religious practice.

When people talk about female supremacy, at worst it's a little bit amusing- it's not going to effect your wage scale or education or access to health care anytime soon. When people talk about male supremacy (ie, a woman's place is 'x'), I worry. They probably mean it, and they probably act on it. It's just so much more common that there's a tendency to laugh it off as ignorance or bad manners, and that's not right.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 7:35:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MISTRESSKUMA


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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

Why attack "female supremacy" as a concept and not "male supremacy" or any other supremacy?

Has that philosophy personally done something that harmed you?



I don't see Women complaining about male supremacy like lotsa men who nag and rag about Female Supremacy.

I agree with Orion...you either aren't looking in the right places or you choose to skip by those places where the complaining is loud and long.  Ask several female submissives not what they think of Gor but just of the belief that men are superior to women and see what kind of response you get.  Go to any radical women's lib gathering or to any women's study group/class on most campuses and you will hear it soon enough.  I certainly did...from my um who attended one.

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Women don't have fragile egos and couldn't care less what others beliefs.
  ????? Since when ?????  If women couldn 't care less about what others believe, why the use of make-up?  Why the "wounding" that takes place among some who go along with the idea...initially...that their dominant or any dominant they might be interested in talks to other women UNTIL he does?  Why the wounding when they do not get the attention they feel...not know or even base on a realistic expectation...that they deserve?
Women don't really feel an overwhelming need to prove themselves to anyone that's why it's mainly men with inferior complexes who struggle to accept other peoples beliefs like Female Supremacy.
I have no problem with acceptance of it as a kink, anymore than I do the idea of male supremacy.  Where I have a problem with it is when there are those who carry that belief outside the realm of their D/s and/or relationship dynamic and want to tell me that I have an inferiority complex because I don't AGREE with that belief as a guiding principle for life.

If ya don't like it, then stop thinking and reading and looking at it or else it will only make you feel even more inferior and uptight and pissy.




Disagreement is not a feeling of inferiority.  Disdain does not come from a feeling of inferiority.  I disagree with and disdain the idea of murder...does that mean I am really feeling inferior?

And by the way, I am not Gorean.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 7:40:27 AM   
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From this really fragile ego.........

I gotta say, after cruising the forums here for over a year now......seeing the word "manifesto" is starting to have a weird, twitchy, effect on me. And not in a good way either.


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 7:44:47 AM   
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LOL, we can all get along creative man! Can you handle it?

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/16/2008 8:00:30 AM   
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Greetings..

I can't and don't subscribe to either sex, race or world should rotate this way supremacy view. Over the years though I do see women as more vocal and boistrous about their gender being better. It's as if they tripped the line from wanting equality to now the same one sided perversion they felt they were being dominated by or held down by. This only leads me to believe that they to would fall to the egomania, greed, etc. and would be no better keepers of human race as a supreme gender.

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   Male supremacy (and not that trippy Gor nonsense; plain 'ole ugly garden-variety misogyny),
As far as this goes..This is not the view that I walked away with after reading some of the Gor books nor is it the view that I walked away from listening to any who incorporate the human views/values that Norman used within the books. If you had read what Master Orion wrote:
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 I believe any man so weak as to be controlled by his cock, deserves it.


then you would understand that it isn't about male supremacy but about humans seeking their natural places within this world, and not allowing themselves to be misguided or denied that true nature simply because it's not a popular place.

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