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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Over the years though I do see women as more vocal and boistrous about their gender being better. It's as if they tripped the line from wanting equality to now the same one sided perversion they felt they were being dominated by or held down by.

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  However i dont think its just women and i dont think its just men.

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ORIGINAL: colouredin

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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Over the years though I do see women as more vocal and boistrous about their gender being better. It's as if they tripped the line from wanting equality to now the same one sided perversion they felt they were being dominated by or held down by.

It is true that there is a vein of radical feminists who dont nor ever did simply want equality but in fact want to be more powerful than men.

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ORIGINAL: asyouwish72

There are no existing societies that have roots in real, everyday female supremacy that I am aware of. Male supremacy (and not that trippy Gor nonsense; plain 'ole ugly garden-variety misogyny), on the other hand, shows up in 'real life' all the time. It is a tacit assumption in many strains of  religious practice.

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Gorean Philosophy is far from misogyny. The problem is that most people have an exposure to Gor, that is a bunch of HNG's or wankers that have no clue what Gorean Philosophy is. Those idiots confuse patriarchy, which includes a duty of care, and believing that just because they were born with a cock, that makes them superior. I would hazard a guess that 95% of those that claim to be Gorean, have not read and studied the entire series. Out of the rest, maybe half actually get past the lusty slave parts and see the philosophy used.

The idea that someone is superior, just because of gender, goes against the idea of a meritocracy and value of strength (which comes in many forms), so then next time you run into one of the HNG's claiming to be Gorean, just send them to the Gorean Lifestyle section here so we can straighten them out, and prove that their chest beating BS has nothing to do with being Gorean.

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ORIGINAL: asyouwish72

There are no existing societies that have roots in real, everyday female supremacy that I am aware of. Male supremacy (and not that trippy Gor nonsense; plain 'ole ugly garden-variety misogyny), on the other hand, shows up in 'real life' all the time. It is a tacit assumption in many strains of  religious practice.

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

*snort* Great idea in theory, until  you get the posters from the Gor forum cmailing you suggesting that "once you find a man willing to take the time to master you I'm sure you'll find the kitchen and countless other aversions quite satisfying." 

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Well what do you expect, we have not met yet ;).

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ORIGINAL: Lynnxz

*snort* Great idea in theory, until  you get the posters from the Gor forum cmailing you suggesting that "once you find a man willing to take the time to master you I'm sure you'll find the kitchen and countless other aversions quite satisfying." 

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  Misogyny is a word defined as 'hatred of women'. 

I've seen men claim to be dominants who had a pathological hatred of women.  They owned women to feel superior and to hurt them.  None of these men, not a single one that I've known, were Gorean. 

This isn't about me defending the Gorean philosphy.  It is about how often I see that word misappropriated and misapplied.  I guess you could say that it is one of my pet peeves.  I've never met a single Gorean man who hated women.  I'm sure there are probably some that claim the Gorean name who do, but I've not met any.  Livng in a Gorean household for 2 years, and watching the parade of Gorean guests come and go, I've met my fair share. 

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ORIGINAL: squirrelfury


    That said, I have to confess to a feeling of amused disbelief about some practices that fall under the purview of BDSM.  In this particular case, I refer to the structure of beliefs and views that surround and add up to the myth of inherent female supremacy.

    To state the case baldly, female supremacy as a concept just doesn't work. 

    Female supremacy, by very definition, is an abject refutation of and challenge to every other pairing within the context of domination and submission besides the FemDom-submissive male connection.  Since I know quite a few happy, successful pairings and groupings of male dominants with female subs, male dominants with male subs, female dominants with female subs, and the broad spectrum of switches, alt-gender-identities, and so on, I'm forced to point out that the entire concept of inherent female supremacy is rendered null and void.  Indeed, I have submissive and switchy sisters alike who would happily agree, and even more happily offer to insert a (well-manicured) nail into the eye sockets of anyone who would even hint at the suggestion that they are misguided, unfulfilled, or wrong for not taking the lead role.

    So to those adherents of female supremacy out there, I ask:  How do you justify your beliefs in the face of overwhelming evidence (not that which I spoke of, or not soley that) to the contrary?  Do you truly believe in it?  Can you honestly set store by such a view, when attending nearly any gathering of mixed BDSM folk provides a flat denial of it?  These questions are aimed at any and all who claim to follow this path, be they dominant, submissive, or any identifier not covered.  I honestly would like to know how you reconcile such a belief against the actual state of things.  Please, do enlighten me, at length if necessary.  I'll look forward to it.

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ORIGINAL: MarcEsadrian




standing ovations for a way of thinking that turns out to be rather intolerant itself.

I say believe what you wish, and allow others the same luxury. This really is no different than giving individuals the space and piece of mind to practice a religion or creed as they see fit. So long as they don't attempt to foist their beliefs upon you, I would suggest not doing so with your lack of them, in turn.

In the spirit of true diversity

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ORIGINAL: colouredin
Hmmm some interesting points raised here. However we can be as nhialistic as we want but in actual fact some things are wrong. Inherant belief that a group is better than others due to basic characteristics such as sex is wrong. Just like Hitler was wrong.

This post is nothing more than a discussion of his belief its no more foisting it on anyone than any other post here is. He hasnt waged war, he has stated his feelings about something he is passionate about. If you seriously want to argue that religions dont do that then I think you should open your eyes.

Sure diversity is great I agree, but there is a differance between diversity as an individual and diversity that oppresses whole groups of people.

If people who believe in female supremacy didnt state that was their belief then this thread wouldnt exsist, they do so it does.