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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 10:58:08 AM   
Aszhrae


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Status: offline 		You are no Cernunnous Orion, so don't even think you are worth worship as girl gives homage to Cernunnous.
And if you must slander me by referring to me as a bigot. Then you are even less a man than you make your self to be.
Is there not a whole subject and threads dedicated to Gorean theology, philosophy and what ever else you are preaching, or are you just here to Troll in the Female Supremacy thread for perspective kajira.
Really now, if girl wanted to be treated as just an object, girl would have mentioned that in my profile.
Others girls have told me privately that girl should just back down from you and your supposed philosophy. Not going to happen Orion.
You want to continue with this, girl is more than happy to but privately.
Unless of course your posts here or in some cheap way is a means to stroke your male ego.
Not sold Orion and never will be.
Find someone else to submit to your will.

Orion you are no Cernunnous, don't even try.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 11:22:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

The were a gift and they are e-books.
Girl has them because a friend thought girl might be interested.
Right now Orion, girl is not the best friend of men and pretty much any philosophy that would have woman as subordinate, might be met with teeth and claws.



Aszhrae, I am curious about the part I bolded above. If you don't care for the idea that a woman would be subordinate, then what about lesbians? Do you propose that ALL women should not be subordinate? If so, then in your mind, what should a lesbian dominant woman to do for a partner?


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 11:30:34 AM   
Aszhrae


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

The were a gift and they are e-books.
Girl has them because a friend thought girl might be interested.
Right now Orion, girl is not the best friend of men and pretty much any philosophy that would have woman as subordinate, might be met with teeth and claws.



Aszhrae, I am curious about the part I bolded above. If you don't care for the idea that a woman would be subordinate, then what about lesbians? Do you propose that ALL women should not be subordinate? If so, then in your mind, what should a lesbian dominant woman to do for a partner?



It was in reaction to Orion's attempt to have me consider his take on the Gorean philosophy.
Perhaps it was best to not generalize. Apologies for having offended anyone with such a broad oversight on my part.
Girl has her own philosophy concerning my submissiveness that is more in conjunction with my spirituality.

Thank you for bringing that oversight to my attention LaTigresse

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 12:23:16 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Aszhrae, you did not offend me. It is virtually impossible for anyone on here to do so.

The reason I asked is that, many people that have the idea that women should not be subordinate, tend to think in relation of them being subordinate to men. I used to feel similarly and had a real case of the ass towards dominant men.

Then, me being me, and always wanting to think things through reasonably, began to muse upon this. It followed something like this...

"Okayyyy, soooo........LeeAnn if you don't think women should be subordinate, then where the hell are you going to find a partner.......since you've no interest in a male sub/slave? That kinda blows that out of the water. So, we can accept that there are lesbian/bi women that naturally want to submit to a dominant woman. Okay, I've got that!

But wait!!!! What about the hetro/bi, submissive, women that want a relationship with a guy?!?! Oh no!! Does that mean they aren't allowed??? Now we've got to punish all hetro women just because they are naturally submissive? Well, that's not fair! They should be happy and fullfilled too. So that means there's got to be a yin to their yang. I guess we have to accept that SOMEWHERE out there, there MIGHT be a decent, honourable, dominant guy...(yeahhh right the little voice in my head said..prove it)."

As I got to know more hetro/bi sub/slave women, to understand them, and respect them......it just follows that I would also begin to respect the choices they've made in their lives. Including their life partners! Now there is where the crux of the matter comes in. If I am going to give these women credit for their brains and choices, it would be hypocritical of me to call the men they've chose to serve, worthless schmucks. Granted, I am not perfect by any stretch of the imagination but even I could see the lack of logic in that.

So, while some men that like to call themselves dominant, or master or whatever lofty title they slap on their ass, still annoy the shit out of me.........I have to admit there really are some pretty decent guys out there with some very awsome women serving them. They are happy and fullfilled and at the end of the day, that's really all that matters.


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 12:53:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

You are no Cernunnous Orion, so don't even think you are worth worship as girl gives homage to Cernunnous.


I do not remember him telling you to worship him.


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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

Not sold Orion and never will be.
Find someone else to submit to your will.

Orion you are no Cernunnous, don't even try.


With the word never you have closed the door to understanding. You have not read the book and refuse to. Which is fine. No one will make you. But you keep talking about Gorean philosophy as if you know something which is not fine. He is trying to help you to understand some things which you do not. But a closed mind can not learn. You have issues you need to address.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 2:32:59 PM   
OrionTheWolf


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Status: offline 		I will break it down for you then.

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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

You are no Cernunnous Orion, so don't even think you are worth worship as girl gives homage to Cernunnous.
And if you must slander me by referring to me as a bigot. Then you are even less a man than you make your self to be.


Read your posts on this topic, and then compare them to this definition:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot

Your opinion of me, matters not, and truth matters more. I call it as I see it, and do not sugar coat it.

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Is there not a whole subject and threads dedicated to Gorean theology, philosophy and what ever else you are preaching, or are you just here to Troll in the Female Supremacy thread for perspective kajira.


You and a couple of others are the one's that mention Gor or Gorean first, I only corrected your ignorance. Sorry but I do not use online for any relationship based contact, so your little barb here shows more about you and your personal code than anything.

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Really now, if girl wanted to be treated as just an object, girl would have mentioned that in my profile.


Goreans rarely treat their valued property as just an object, and I could care less what you have in your profile.

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Others girls have told me privately that girl should just back down from you and your supposed philosophy. Not going to happen Orion.


No reason to back down. I showed courtesy and respect in the beginning, and what did I get in return? Also, you are the one that stated if it has anything to do with males being dominant, you didn't even want to read it. I refer you again to the link above for a definition.

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You want to continue with this, girl is more than happy to but privately.


That was offered a couple of post ago, by myself. I will respond where the post is. Post your inaccuracies here, and that is where I will post.

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Unless of course your posts here or in some cheap way is a means to stroke your male ego.
Not sold Orion and never will be.
Find someone else to submit to your will.

Orion you are no Cernunnous, don't even try.


Not looking for anyone to submit, especially you. I began by correct erroneous information that you were posting. I then offered to answer questions if you had them. You have some serious issues going on there, and they have nothing to do with me except that I am male. Here is another definition for you http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misandry

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 2:52:51 PM   
ResidentSadist


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It is always nice to read the writings of a fellow Heinlein fan.  I cannot add to the OP but wanted to weigh in to this thread and let the OP know his writings were well received.  Here are few sexual stereotype quotes from the master himself. 

Listen, son. Most women are damn fools and children. But they've got more range then we've got. The brave ones are braver, the good ones are better and the vile ones are viler, for that matter.
-The Puppet Masters

A "pacifist male" is a contradiction in terms. Most self-described "pacifists" are not pacific; they simply assume false colors. When the wind changes, they hoist the Jolly Roger.
-Time Enough For Love

All men are created unequal.
-Time Enough For Love

</Tip toes back out shutting the door never to return>

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 3:12:26 PM   
Aszhrae


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Status: offline 		a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices ; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

Girl doesn't hate men, if you had encountered me once girl conquered my fear of men, you would have been greeted by hatred in its extreme. Girl despised men, period. To specify that girl is intolerant of men, no, just intolerant of the Gorean treatment of women as objects. A woman's only purpose in life is to serve a man's will and not even be considered superior. After all, women are what provide men with their heirs. However in this day and age, women keep their names and are likely to be the heiress of their holdings rather than being solely up to the male and his dominance.

As for hatred of men. Girl does not hate men. Girl just, in my opinion, which of course you have already suggested is flawed because girl will not bend to your mode of thinking. The fact that girl is challenging you, must go against every belief in your own personal acceptance of Gorean philosophy, because after all it is fiction and not based upon historical sources only the will of an individual author and of course those that like the idea of treating women as outlined in the Gor novels. Going back to my opinion to being asumed of hatred towards men. You are incorrect in this observation. Girl does not hate men. Girl is tolerant of them to the point that girl would accept friendship with them. Just not towards men that consider them selves to be Gorean masters.

If girl even thought about serving a Gorean master, have a friend that is kajira that has Gorean master that she would know that girl would like to serve. Unfortunately, right now that is not an option and girl doubts it will ever be.
Girl will not accept the Gorean lifestyle or the philosophy by which you, Orion, keep trying suggest girl reads. But if you really wish to continue this, then girl will offer you a means to continue this outside the forum.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 3:20:26 PM   
Aszhrae


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Status: offline 		Girl will always have issues where men are concerned. You all say the same thing. Do you all share the same brain or just have similar expectations of women.
Woe is the woman that chooses to stand against the male ego. For they should surely fall as the men come together to support each other. With phallic hoods we shall unite and the woman that stands before us, she will surely fall and assume her place beneath our feet and accept her place.

Not going to happen.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 3:36:53 PM   
OttersSwim


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Status: offline 		Well I ain't lending my phallic hood to anything or anyone when I say...Aszhrae, that was an almost unintelligible rant.  Orion only disagreed with your opinion and then offered to provide clarification and answer questions - if you had them.  No more...no less...take a breath.  Dunno what is going on with you, but maybe you should go talk to someone professional about it...some serious Gorean/male hate going on there...wow...


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 3:51:28 PM   
SingleRarity


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ORIGINAL: OttersSwim

Well I ain't lending my phallic hood to anything or anyone when I say...Aszhrae, that was an almost unintelligible rant.  Orion only disagreed with your opinion and then offered to provide clarification and answer questions - if you had them.  No more...no less...take a breath.  Dunno what is going on with you, but maybe you should go talk to someone professional about it...some serious Gorean/male hate going on there...wow...



Agreed.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 3:57:20 PM   
Aszhrae


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Status: offline 		The whole basis to the Gorean philosophy is that it is the World of Man, that women are to accept their place to be dominated by men.
What girl is saying,'Forget that nonsense, there is no way in hell, this girl is going to be dominated by any man.'

Girl will serve a mistress because it honors the goddess. To serve a mistress is a spiritual thing for me and girl would do so with every essence of my being.
To even have me consider the Gorean philosophy are you out of your mind. Its not going to happen.

It's not hatred.
It's my beliefs and girl is being asked to consider the alternative. Not a friggin chance. Mistress or nothing.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 4:18:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

The whole basis to the Gorean philosophy is that it is the World of Man, that women are to accept their place to be dominated by men.
What girl is saying,'Forget that nonsense, there is no way in hell, this girl is going to be dominated by any man.'


You admit you have not read the series, much less studied the philosophy behind it, yet here you are again offering an ignorant opinion, that started this to begin with. Gorean Philsophy doesn't even have a thing to do with slavery. You, just like what ever so called Goreans you have been exposed to, show an ignorance for the philosophy that Dr. John "Norman" lange, used in the basis for the fictional society. The society and the customs are fictional, and are not part of the philosophical undertones that are there. Damn girl, it has nothing to do with dominating, it has to do with your statements being erroneous.

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Girl will serve a mistress because it honors the goddess. To serve a mistress is a spiritual thing for me and girl would do so with every essence of my being.
To even have me consider the Gorean philosophy are you out of your mind. Its not going to happen.


You need some serious help here. If what you are doing is true to your nature, and you are happy, then go for it.

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It's not hatred.
It's my beliefs and girl is being asked to consider the alternative. Not a friggin chance. Mistress or nothing.



No it is absolute intolerance, and if I had shown the same concerning females, and made some the same statements, I would have been ripped apart by many a poster here. Now you see where the hypocricy is?

Done with you.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 4:19:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

The whole basis to the Gorean philosophy is that it is the World of Man, that women are to accept their place to be dominated by men.
What girl is saying,'Forget that nonsense, there is no way in hell, this girl is going to be dominated by any man.'

Girl will serve a mistress because it honors the goddess. To serve a mistress is a spiritual thing for me and girl would do so with every essence of my being.
To even have me consider the Gorean philosophy are you out of your mind. Its not going to happen.

It's not hatred.
It's my beliefs and girl is being asked to consider the alternative. Not a friggin chance. Mistress or nothing.



I accept this whole statement as being a personal statement of your preferences and that should be accepted and respected as thus. After all it doesn’t affect the rest of us one wit. However, I suggest that the section I have bolded and highlighted can easily be read as a global statement stating that all, or all women, need to forget a lifestyle in which the male is dominant. I doubt if that was your intent so I’m just pointing out how it read on my initial browse. This is neither the place to discuss Gorean philosophies as they are lived by those living a Gorean Lifestyle, nor Male Supremacy in general. My lifestyle, the Victorian Lifestyle, whilst recognizing that some women are indeed capable and powerful (after all Queen Victoria was a woman), yet by custom and social standards, it was seen to be a world dominated by males with a small number of women rising to head households in their own right. So my views are not based on fiction which was based on historical societies, but based on historical facts well documented in the not so distant past. I may say that both the Gorean and Victorian philosophies venerate women and neither were/are wont to suffer drama queens well… The point is, there is more than enough room to accommodate all views comfortably


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 4:28:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae

The whole basis to the Gorean philosophy is that it is the World of Man, that women are to accept their place to be dominated by men.
What girl is saying,'Forget that nonsense, there is no way in hell, this girl is going to be dominated by any man.'

Girl will serve a mistress because it honors the goddess. To serve a mistress is a spiritual thing for me and girl would do so with every essence of my being.
To even have me consider the Gorean philosophy are you out of your mind. Its not going to happen.

It's not hatred.
It's my beliefs and girl is being asked to consider the alternative. Not a friggin chance. Mistress or nothing.



Yea...good luck with all that. 


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 4:35:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Male dominants do the same thing with women... sometimes even forming relationships with female submissives and then flipping


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ORIGINAL: Petruchio

I have one observation, which I make with respect and without judgment.

I've been approached more than once by dommes asking to sub for me. Their public persona is domme, but privately these few at least like one-on-one with a dom male. We've even spoke of hunting sub-Fs together.

Personally, I think that's wonderful.



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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 4:38:33 PM   
Aszhrae


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Status: offline 		Gorean Philosophy

Be WHAT you are
Be WHO you are
Obey the Natural Order of things
Advancement of the Strong
Diminishment of the Causes of Weakness
Do what you will
Responsibility for One's Actions
Stratification by Natural Process


Is this the philosophy that you speak of Orion? Don't you think your take on it belongs in its own subject heading or do you figure that any thread typical for women you should spread your Gorean wings into.
There are a lot of similarities between the gorean philosophy and my own.
My perspective is that it is very suitable to how a mistress should perhaps treat their sub/slave.
Would you prefer that such a philosophy be adhered to when the subordinate is male.

'World of Woman' their place is to dominate men.


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 5:25:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		In general answer to the OP: I don't go along with male or female supremacy because I don't see either one as superior to the other. If someone does believe in supremacy of one or the other, that's fine, just don't try to shove your way down my throat or convert me to your way and tell me mine is wrong.

On other areas in this thread, I am saddened at the gross display of intolerance and nastiness directed at those who believe different and simply offer correction of erroneous remarks without trying to shove their way off on anyone.

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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 5:31:04 PM   
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'World of Woman' their place is to dominate men.


I'm a woman and I hate to break it to you..but thats not my place in the world...sorry.

To each their own eh.

starshine


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RE: Female Supremacy: A Manifesto - 12/17/2008 5:34:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aszhrae


'World of Woman' their place is to dominate men.





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